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  • gohanG gohan

    it is all a matter of node size and if you like to have solar panels around the house (never forget the WAF :D )

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    @gohan said in PIR am312:

    it is all a matter of node size and if you like to have solar panels around the house (never forget the WAF :D )

    Good point. Even a micro panel might be stretching it on the WAF.

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    • gohanG gohan

      @Nca78 do you have any updates on the sensor?

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      @gohan I didn't test more but I made a PCB for AM612 it will be much more convenient to make some real life testing :)
      Sending it tomorrow to PCB production with 11 other PCBs :D

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        How are you using the AM612?

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        • gohanG gohan

          How are you using the AM612?

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          @gohan said in PIR am312:

          How are you using the AM612?

          I don't understand what answer you're expecting for this question :)
          I made a PCB, send it to PCB production and when I receive it I will be able to solder the am612 on it and test it.

          0_1495104606107_PCB_PIR.png

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            how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

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            • gohanG gohan

              how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

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              @gohan said in PIR am312:

              how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

              I will test using lens from AM312 & from SR501 (made the space and holes for that on the PCB). I have ordered some other ones from AliExpress, too.
              No case yet as I just spent a lot of nearly sleepless nights finishing a lot of PCBs. Now time for code preparation before I receive the boards, then 3D design and tests while the 3D printer is printing :)

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              • Nca78N Nca78

                @gohan said in PIR am312:

                how about the lens? Did you make a case for it?

                I will test using lens from AM312 & from SR501 (made the space and holes for that on the PCB). I have ordered some other ones from AliExpress, too.
                No case yet as I just spent a lot of nearly sleepless nights finishing a lot of PCBs. Now time for code preparation before I receive the boards, then 3D design and tests while the 3D printer is printing :)

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                @Nca78

                I really like your PCB layouts. Is that Eagle, or some other package that you're using? I'm using Diptrace, which meets my needs and was easy to learn, but your package looks like it's more polished and easier to see both sides of the board at the same time.

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                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                  @Nca78

                  I really like your PCB layouts. Is that Eagle, or some other package that you're using? I'm using Diptrace, which meets my needs and was easy to learn, but your package looks like it's more polished and easier to see both sides of the board at the same time.

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                  @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                  @Nca78

                  I really like your PCB layouts. Is that Eagle, or some other package that you're using? I'm using Diptrace, which meets my needs and was easy to learn, but your package looks like it's more polished and easier to see both sides of the board at the same time.

                  Yes that's eagle, found it pretty easy to learn also.
                  But I made my last PCBs with it this week I think, I will switch to KiCad to avoid the annoying limitations in Eagle. It will be a pain to learn everything again, but at least I won't miss the autorouter as I love routing :D

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                  • NeverDieN NeverDie

                    Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

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                    @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                    Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

                    I received mine yesterday: so, 16 days from order until receipt from banggood.

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                      Me too. Based on AWI's report above, I just went ahead and ordered them.

                      I received mine yesterday: so, 16 days from order until receipt from banggood.

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                      @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                      So far I've only powered it up--and with merely a DMM attached to the output pin--but as a quick test it seems to work.

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                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                        @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                        So far I've only powered it up--and with merely a DMM attached to the output pin--but as a quick test it seems to work.

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                        @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                        @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                        There are some tiny '+' and '-' signs on the breakout board near the pins but they are barely visible.

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                          @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                          @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                          There are some tiny '+' and '-' signs on the breakout board near the pins but they are barely visible.

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                          @Nca78 said in PIR am312:

                          @NeverDie said in PIR am312:

                          @AWI Thank you for your photo. Without it, I'm not sure how I would have deduced the correct pinout.

                          There are some tiny '+' and '-' signs on the breakout board near the pins but they are barely visible.

                          On mine I don't see any pinout markings at all.

                          I used a uCurrent Gold to measure the current, and and at 3.3v my measurements came out at 13.1ua in standby mode and 14.3ua at "motion detected" mode. I haven't tested it for false positives yet (it may take a while to gather the data on that), but so far I'm impressed. Nice find!

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                            So, I made a little test jig to try it out. It seems to have roughly 4 detection "zones" with fairly wide gaps between them where it's more or less blind. Also, if I walk straight at it from the front, it doesn't detect me until I'm about 3 feet away. So, although I'm no expert, I'd say the detection coverage is kinda spotty. Maybe the small domed plastic optics are sub-optimal? Has anyone tried alternatives?

                            Just thinking out loud, but maybe you can use two and by skewing their alignment try to make it so that the gaps in one are mostly covered by the detection zones of the other, and visa versa?

                            Not sure how to make the best use of this yet, but I do like the very low power consumption. I think there's a pony in there somewhere, and we just need to find it.

                            Anyone have ideas?

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                              Did that resonate with anyone? Has anyone else observed "the problem" I described? If not, maybe I set it up wrong.

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                                I have experienced similar behavior yes, didn't have time to check enough but from some directions it gave me the impression not to detect anything.
                                It seemed better with lens from a SR501. I'm waiting for the PCB with am612 to be able to test with a properly aligned SR501 lens.

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                                • Nca78N Nca78

                                  I have experienced similar behavior yes, didn't have time to check enough but from some directions it gave me the impression not to detect anything.
                                  It seemed better with lens from a SR501. I'm waiting for the PCB with am612 to be able to test with a properly aligned SR501 lens.

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                                  @Nca78
                                  Thanks! I just now took the lens cover off an SR501 and very crudely attached it to the Banggood sensor (after first removing its cap). It seems to be an improvement. So, I expect doing a proper job of it will yield an even greater improvement.

                                  Fortunately, it looks as though there's a good variety of PIR lenses on Aliexpress for cheap.

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                                    the fun will be to make them fit on the sensor :)

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                                    • gohanG gohan

                                      the fun will be to make them fit on the sensor :)

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                                      @gohan said in PIR am312:

                                      the fun will be to make them fit on the sensor :)

                                      I was thinking hot glue and a cardboard backing for prototyping, but maybe a backing which actually reflects IR (like a metal foil?) would help keep the IR bouncing around inside it more and be a good thing. Really not sure.

                                      On the other hand, maybe there's a better lens which can snap onto the existing body. That would be better, at least from a hassle standpoint.

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                                        maybe make a mock pcb board of a SR501 with a hole in the middle so you can attach the lens on the board and stick the am312 in the center hole

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                                        • gohanG gohan

                                          maybe make a mock pcb board of a SR501 with a hole in the middle so you can attach the lens on the board and stick the am312 in the center hole

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                                          @gohan said in PIR am312:

                                          maybe make a mock pcb board of a SR501 with a hole in the middle so you can attach the lens on the board and stick the am312 in the center hole

                                          Or, as a POC, just drill a hole in the middle of an SR501 board, since the lens already snaps smartly to that board.

                                          Does PCB need a special kind of drill bit, like for glass or something?

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