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Node is not using repeater to talk to gateway

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  • tekkaT tekka

    @karl261 Ok, I need to see the sketches first: can you post the sketch of all nodes, i.e. GW, node 99, node 3, node 4? Also, do you have MYSController installed for a few tests?

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    @tekka MYSController? No, but if you point me to a link or so I could install of course.

    Edit: Ok, I downloaded your software. It seems it is running well on my PC. I am ready to test.
    Edit2: The 1.0.0beta.

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      @tekka MYSController? No, but if you point me to a link or so I could install of course.

      Edit: Ok, I downloaded your software. It seems it is running well on my PC. I am ready to test.
      Edit2: The 1.0.0beta.

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      @karl261 What version is it saying?

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        @karl261 What version is it saying?

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        @tekka 1.0.0beta built 3314

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        • karl261K karl261

          @tekka 1.0.0beta built 3314

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          @karl261 Ok, then send a C_INTERNAL | I_DEBUG | R message to the GW and node 99 and upload the output.

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          • tekkaT tekka

            @karl261 Ok, then send a C_INTERNAL | I_DEBUG | R message to the GW and node 99 and upload the output.

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            @tekka So you mean I connect to my serial gateway and then issue the commands? Yes, let's see.

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              Here we go:

              10	22.08.2016 21:49:41	TX	0 - Gateway	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
              12	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0202
              14	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0303
              16	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0463
              18	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	1E1E
              20	22.08.2016 21:49:42	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	1F1F
              22	22.08.2016 21:49:42	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	6363
              24	22.08.2016 21:49:42	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	8B03
              25	22.08.2016 21:50:06	TX	99 - Repeater Node	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
              28	22.08.2016 21:50:06	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0000
              30	22.08.2016 21:50:06	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0303
              32	22.08.2016 21:50:07	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0404
              34	22.08.2016 21:50:07	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	1E1E
              37	22.08.2016 21:50:23	RX	2	1	C_SET	NO	V_TEMP	20.8
              39	22.08.2016 21:50:23	RX	2	0	C_SET	NO	V_HUM	76.1
              
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              • karl261K karl261

                Here we go:

                10	22.08.2016 21:49:41	TX	0 - Gateway	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
                12	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0202
                14	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0303
                16	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0463
                18	22.08.2016 21:49:41	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	1E1E
                20	22.08.2016 21:49:42	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	1F1F
                22	22.08.2016 21:49:42	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	6363
                24	22.08.2016 21:49:42	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	8B03
                25	22.08.2016 21:50:06	TX	99 - Repeater Node	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
                28	22.08.2016 21:50:06	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0000
                30	22.08.2016 21:50:06	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0303
                32	22.08.2016 21:50:07	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0404
                34	22.08.2016 21:50:07	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	1E1E
                37	22.08.2016 21:50:23	RX	2	1	C_SET	NO	V_TEMP	20.8
                39	22.08.2016 21:50:23	RX	2	0	C_SET	NO	V_HUM	76.1
                
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                @karl261 Ok, and now send C_INTERNAL | I_DEBUG | E - first to node 99, then to the GW and finally, press Discover in MYSController. This should re-establish the routing table.

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                • tekkaT tekka

                  @karl261 Ok, and now send C_INTERNAL | I_DEBUG | E - first to node 99, then to the GW and finally, press Discover in MYSController. This should re-establish the routing table.

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                  @tekka I received ok twice back. Now the nano (GW) is blinking like crazy. And so is the pro mini (repeater). I do a power cycle?

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                  • karl261K karl261

                    @tekka I received ok twice back. Now the nano (GW) is blinking like crazy. And so is the pro mini (repeater). I do a power cycle?

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                    @karl261 yup

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                    • tekkaT tekka

                      @karl261 yup

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                      @tekka Still weird:
                      99 says 0203 so 02 is going via 03?? Why?
                      0 says 0263 so 02 is going via 99?

                      247	22.08.2016 22:15:24	TX	99 - Repeater Node	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
                      250	22.08.2016 22:15:24	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0000
                      252	22.08.2016 22:15:24	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0203
                      254	22.08.2016 22:15:24	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0404
                      255	22.08.2016 22:15:50	TX	0 - Gateway	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
                      257	22.08.2016 22:15:50	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0263
                      259	22.08.2016 22:15:50	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	6363
                      
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                      • karl261K karl261

                        @tekka Still weird:
                        99 says 0203 so 02 is going via 03?? Why?
                        0 says 0263 so 02 is going via 99?

                        247	22.08.2016 22:15:24	TX	99 - Repeater Node	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
                        250	22.08.2016 22:15:24	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0000
                        252	22.08.2016 22:15:24	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0203
                        254	22.08.2016 22:15:24	RX	99 - Repeater Node	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0404
                        255	22.08.2016 22:15:50	TX	0 - Gateway	N/A	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	R
                        257	22.08.2016 22:15:50	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	0263
                        259	22.08.2016 22:15:50	RX	0 - Gateway	INTERNAL	C_INTERNAL	NO	I_DEBUG	6363
                        
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                        @karl261 hmm...indeed, that's weird. Do you have the debug log of node 3?

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                        • tekkaT tekka

                          @karl261 hmm...indeed, that's weird. Do you have the debug log of node 3?

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                          @tekka Which log exactly? Node 3 is Mysensors 1.5... It is sitting somewhere hidden...

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                          • karl261K karl261

                            @tekka Which log exactly? Node 3 is Mysensors 1.5... It is sitting somewhere hidden...

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                            #24

                            @karl261 But you wrote:

                            Btw, all is on 2.0.0.

                            mixed setups are not advisable (and not supported). Please update if possible.

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                            • tekkaT tekka

                              @karl261 But you wrote:

                              Btw, all is on 2.0.0.

                              mixed setups are not advisable (and not supported). Please update if possible.

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                              @tekka Yes, with "all" I meant those being involved in the repeater stuff.

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                              • karl261K karl261

                                @tekka Yes, with "all" I meant those being involved in the repeater stuff.

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                                @karl261 Can you add this to node 4 (this is the relayed one?):

                                #define MY_PARENT_NODE_ID 99
                                #define MY_PARENT_NODE_IS_STATIC
                                
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                                  @karl261 Can you add this to node 4 (this is the relayed one?):

                                  #define MY_PARENT_NODE_ID 99
                                  #define MY_PARENT_NODE_IS_STATIC
                                  
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                                  @tekka I can add it to node 30 right now. It is also supposed to be relayed. In fact this is why I did start this thread in the first place, I had no luck with these two lines. Will try again.

                                  Oooohhh, there is a mistake further up: I am talking about node 30, and wrote node 3. That is incorrect. Let's see if I can edit. That is why you were asking about the 1.5...

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                                  • tekkaT tekka

                                    @karl261 Can you add this to node 4 (this is the relayed one?):

                                    #define MY_PARENT_NODE_ID 99
                                    #define MY_PARENT_NODE_IS_STATIC
                                    
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                                    @tekka Node 30 does still not care about the two lines. It is sending direct.
                                    It also does not send back any routing table. Maybe because it is sleeping most of the time?

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                                    • karl261K karl261

                                      @tekka Node 30 does still not care about the two lines. It is sending direct.
                                      It also does not send back any routing table. Maybe because it is sleeping most of the time?

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                                      @karl261 If it's not defined as repeater, it won't have a routing table. And yes, sleeping nodes do not listen for incoming traffic. But still, if GW and node 99 are up, it should prefer 99 - can you show me the log of node 30 during booting?

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                                      • tekkaT tekka

                                        @karl261 If it's not defined as repeater, it won't have a routing table. And yes, sleeping nodes do not listen for incoming traffic. But still, if GW and node 99 are up, it should prefer 99 - can you show me the log of node 30 during booting?

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                                        @tekka Now it seems to work.

                                        But I recompiled, because I had MY_DEBUG commented out. Somehow there is something wrong with debug...

                                        Starting sensor (RNNNA-, 2.0.0)
                                        TSM:INIT
                                        TSM:RADIO:OK
                                        TSP:ASSIGNID:OK (ID=30)
                                        TSM:FPAR
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=bc:
                                        TSP:MSG:READ 3-3-30 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                        TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=3, dist=1)
                                        TSP:MSG:PAR OK (ID=3, dist=2)
                                        TSP:MSG:READ 99-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                        TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=99, dist=1)
                                        TSP:MSG:FPAR (PPAR FOUND)
                                        TSP:MSG:PAR OK (ID=99, dist=2)
                                        TSM:FPAR:OK
                                        TSM:ID
                                        TSM:CHKID:OK (ID=30)
                                        TSM:UPL
                                        TSP:PING:SEND (dest=0)
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:1
                                        TSP:MSG:READ 0-0-30 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:0
                                        TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=0, dist=0)
                                        TSP:MSG:READ 0-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:2
                                        TSP:MSG:PONG RECV (hops=2)
                                        TSP:CHKUPL:OK
                                        TSM:UPL:OK
                                        TSM:READY
                                        Serial started
                                        Voltage: 3289 mV
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:0100
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:2.0.0
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:99
                                        TSP:MSG:READ 0-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0:0100
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=15,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:EgTmpHumBat5min
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:1.0 151106
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=0,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=1,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:
                                        Node and 2 children presented.
                                        Request registration...
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:2
                                        TSP:MSG:READ 0-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=27,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                        Node registration=1
                                        Init complete, id=30, parent=99, distance=2, registration=1
                                        T: 21.59
                                        TempDiff :121.59
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:21.6
                                        T sent!
                                        H: 81
                                        HumDiff  :181.00
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:81
                                        H sent!
                                        Battery voltage: 3279 mV
                                        Battery percent: 98 %
                                        TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:98
                                        T: 21.61
                                        TempDiff :0.02
                                        H: 81
                                        HumDiff  :0.00
                                        
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                                          @tekka Now it seems to work.

                                          But I recompiled, because I had MY_DEBUG commented out. Somehow there is something wrong with debug...

                                          Starting sensor (RNNNA-, 2.0.0)
                                          TSM:INIT
                                          TSM:RADIO:OK
                                          TSP:ASSIGNID:OK (ID=30)
                                          TSM:FPAR
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-255-255 s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=bc:
                                          TSP:MSG:READ 3-3-30 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                          TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=3, dist=1)
                                          TSP:MSG:PAR OK (ID=3, dist=2)
                                          TSP:MSG:READ 99-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                          TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=99, dist=1)
                                          TSP:MSG:FPAR (PPAR FOUND)
                                          TSP:MSG:PAR OK (ID=99, dist=2)
                                          TSM:FPAR:OK
                                          TSM:ID
                                          TSM:CHKID:OK (ID=30)
                                          TSM:UPL
                                          TSP:PING:SEND (dest=0)
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:1
                                          TSP:MSG:READ 0-0-30 s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:0
                                          TSP:MSG:FPAR RES (ID=0, dist=0)
                                          TSP:MSG:READ 0-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:2
                                          TSP:MSG:PONG RECV (hops=2)
                                          TSP:CHKUPL:OK
                                          TSM:UPL:OK
                                          TSM:READY
                                          Serial started
                                          Voltage: 3289 mV
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:0100
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:2.0.0
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:99
                                          TSP:MSG:READ 0-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0:0100
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=15,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:EgTmpHumBat5min
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:1.0 151106
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=0,c=0,t=6,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=1,c=0,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:
                                          Node and 2 children presented.
                                          Request registration...
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:2
                                          TSP:MSG:READ 0-99-30 s=255,c=3,t=27,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
                                          Node registration=1
                                          Init complete, id=30, parent=99, distance=2, registration=1
                                          T: 21.59
                                          TempDiff :121.59
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=0,c=1,t=0,pt=7,l=5,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:21.6
                                          T sent!
                                          H: 81
                                          HumDiff  :181.00
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=1,c=1,t=1,pt=2,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:81
                                          H sent!
                                          Battery voltage: 3279 mV
                                          Battery percent: 98 %
                                          TSP:MSG:SEND 30-30-99-0 s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=ok:98
                                          T: 21.61
                                          TempDiff :0.02
                                          H: 81
                                          HumDiff  :0.00
                                          
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                                          @karl261 said:

                                          @tekka Now it seems to work.

                                          But I recompiled, because I had MY_DEBUG commented out. Somehow there is something wrong with debug...

                                          You mean, if MY_DEBUG is commented out, the node does not communicate over the repeater (99)?

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