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  • scalzS scalz

    hmm, looks weird, what is your power supply? do you use dupont cable?
    on my side, i already quickly tested 40m with one brickwall, outdoor rfm69cw (same as w) to my indoor rfm69hw GW, with mysensors 2 beta.

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    @scalz said:

    hmm, looks weird, what is your power supply? do you use dupont cable?
    on my side, i already quickly tested 40m with one brickwall, outdoor rfm69cw (same as w) to my indoor rfm69hw GW, with mysensors 2 beta.

    Initially I powered them from the Arduino Pro Mini onboard 3.3V voltage regulator which is supposed to handle up to 200mA. I also added capacitors. Then moved the setup to a larger breaboard powered by one of those breadboard power supplies. I powered the radios directly from the breadboard's 3.3V power rail. Also added capacitors.
    Please note that each test was performed identically on both sensor node and serial gateway.

    The modules are connected to the Arduinos using short dupont cables. It's easier to prototype them by cutting a dupont cable set in two, solder the strip cable ends to the radio boards and connect the dupont pins on the breadboard. One thing worth mentioning is that the 868MHz modules are facing the chip side upwards and the 433MHz down.

    Maybe the only thing that's not done 100% by the book is that I chose to connect the radios ground using the farmost GND pin instead of the one opposite the ANT pin. After I soldered them I found some schematics showing a dipole antenna setup using that pin as counterpoise for the antenna. But I assume that all GND pins are connected to the ground plane, so it really doesn't matter.
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      I haven't heard of countefeit RFM69 modules, but anyway, here are the exact modules, purchased from this exact supplier:
      http://www.tme.eu/en/details/rfm69hw-433s2/rf-communication-modules/hope-microelectronics/
      http://www.tme.eu/en/details/rfm69w-868s2/rf-communication-modules/hope-microelectronics/

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        I do not know if this will help but you could add the following to your sketch to make sure the radios are using the correct frequenzy:

        #define MY_RFM69_FREQUENCY RF69_433MHZ
        

        I think the default value if not defined is "RF69_868MHZ"

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          I do not know if this will help but you could add the following to your sketch to make sure the radios are using the correct frequenzy:

          #define MY_RFM69_FREQUENCY RF69_433MHZ
          

          I think the default value if not defined is "RF69_868MHZ"

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          @korttoma: Instead of inserting the #define in the sketch I modified the same entry in MyConfig.h. That's basically the same thing.
          Anyway I must confess that at start, it took me some time to realize that :smile: That's because there's very little info on the RFM69 setups, almost all documentation revolves around RF24 and ESP8266 and the library and examples are pre-configured for RF24 :pensive:

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            @korttoma: Instead of inserting the #define in the sketch I modified the same entry in MyConfig.h. That's basically the same thing.
            Anyway I must confess that at start, it took me some time to realize that :smile: That's because there's very little info on the RFM69 setups, almost all documentation revolves around RF24 and ESP8266 and the library and examples are pre-configured for RF24 :pensive:

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            @mihai.aldea

            These defines are mentioned here but some of then are missing the default value and a comment describing what they do.

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              scalz
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              #12

              side note: i've just update the docs for rfm69 ;)

              about this issue, hmm..what if you directly connect a 82mm monopole wire directly on the radio ant pad? and powered from batt, like 2xAA/AAA.. looks weird!

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              • scalzS scalz

                side note: i've just update the docs for rfm69 ;)

                about this issue, hmm..what if you directly connect a 82mm monopole wire directly on the radio ant pad? and powered from batt, like 2xAA/AAA.. looks weird!

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                @scalz Many thanks for updating the docs.
                I was thinking about testing them with a battery as well but even if the remote sensors may be just fine with battery power, I still need the gateway radio to be fed with a constant 3.3V voltage from either the Arduino's 3.3V rail, or using a an external regulator. And so far neither worked.
                I feel like there's something wrong with the radio modules. What ar the odds of those particular modules not to work with MySensors 2.0?

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                • scalzS scalz

                  side note: i've just update the docs for rfm69 ;)

                  about this issue, hmm..what if you directly connect a 82mm monopole wire directly on the radio ant pad? and powered from batt, like 2xAA/AAA.. looks weird!

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                  @scalz said:

                  what if you directly connect a 82mm monopole wire directly on the radio ant pad?

                  I used a 17cm random wire for the 433MHz modules and 9cm wire for the 868MHz ones. Then coiled up the 17cm wires into a diy helical with 6-7 turns (not sure exctly)

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                    #15

                    for testing, perhaps better test with straight wire.
                    For 868Mhz, it's 82mm or it detune the radio. Also coil is nice for compact thing in box, but it decrease the range.
                    I hope you'll get it working, i've never got bad radio modules on my side, not yet!
                    With logs we could see if you get lot of fail, too, meaning bad range

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                      Some guides mention 87mm, others 82mm. As for the helical I will have to test and see. PCB antennas are also an option, but I'd hate to have my nice boxed sensors with wires hanging out.
                      As for the bad radio modules, that's one other reason I am focusing on the RFM69. I started experimenting with the cheap eBay NRF24L01+ modules, the black ones, only to later find out that about 1 out of 10 fails after sometime and doesn't enter the deep sleep mode, using about 2mA instead of about 60uA, obviously killing the battery after a day or so. I read about one guy who ordered 2000 or so and most of them had the exact same problem.
                      And since I am using rather expensive CR123 or 14250 batteries I don't want take that chance.
                      The green NRF24L01+ modules however, worked flawlessly so far but they're a bit too bulky for my projects.

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                        oki. i know for the 86mm, it also depends on the calc if i remember, that's why you can find both. but you said 9cm ;)

                        for your test, you should use straigth wire to be sure.
                        No stranded wire. Only one core inside.

                        It's good to know, as rfm69 need an external ant, it requires more care for the anntenna sensitivity, for noise etc.. its emplacement, orientation, shape also matter etc.. so then it's sure it's compromise between acceptable range and compact devices.
                        Near a computer can also increase noise etc..
                        If everything is ok for ant, ok with defines in Mysensors, then it's probably on your HW. In this case, you may see some errors in your logs when you try. packet ack failed etc.. some logs ??

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                          So... more tests performed:
                          I assumed that my moronic rush fried the modules power amps. I didn't carefully read the guide and hooked their I/O pins to a 5V Arduino pins (but connected the VCC pin to the 3.3V rail). So I pulled the last two factory sealed RFM69HW 433MHz I had stashed, soldered them with dupont cables and proper antenna (0.8mm copper single core 17cm long) and hooked one module to a 3.3V Arduino (the gateway to be) and the other one on a breadboard ATmega328 (the basic remote sensor architecture) powered by a 14250 battery.
                          The exact same thing :rage:
                          The LowPowerLab works for ranges up to 1m, the Radiohead library doesn't report anything on the serial interface and leds I used for basic debug shows that the sensor node sends packets but the gateway doesn't receive them.
                          So I got to a point where I'm very frustrated because there must be something I'm missing. I am using two module types at different frequency and power output, purchased from a trusted source, six months apart.
                          However, some further reading lead me to this page:
                          https://www.andrehessling.de/2015/02/07/figuring-out-the-power-level-settings-of-hoperfs-rfm69-hwhcw-modules/
                          This guy compiled a very thorough review of the modules in which he's playing with settings by enabling/disabling the radios power amps using writing registers. But I am totally clueless on how can this be done, if the MySensors has the proper settings preconfigured or if they're accessible and if so then where. It's not clear to me either if these registers are persistent across various sketches involving various libraries or if the used library has to have support for them and they need to be declared in every sketch or inside the library. This registry thing is pretty much where my expertise hits a wall :grin:
                          It's really strange that this 1m range is very consistend across a lot of setups I made. Maybe the power amps are disabled and they "hear" eachother while being very close, maybe by some sort of harmonics.

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                            So... more tests performed:
                            I assumed that my moronic rush fried the modules power amps. I didn't carefully read the guide and hooked their I/O pins to a 5V Arduino pins (but connected the VCC pin to the 3.3V rail). So I pulled the last two factory sealed RFM69HW 433MHz I had stashed, soldered them with dupont cables and proper antenna (0.8mm copper single core 17cm long) and hooked one module to a 3.3V Arduino (the gateway to be) and the other one on a breadboard ATmega328 (the basic remote sensor architecture) powered by a 14250 battery.
                            The exact same thing :rage:
                            The LowPowerLab works for ranges up to 1m, the Radiohead library doesn't report anything on the serial interface and leds I used for basic debug shows that the sensor node sends packets but the gateway doesn't receive them.
                            So I got to a point where I'm very frustrated because there must be something I'm missing. I am using two module types at different frequency and power output, purchased from a trusted source, six months apart.
                            However, some further reading lead me to this page:
                            https://www.andrehessling.de/2015/02/07/figuring-out-the-power-level-settings-of-hoperfs-rfm69-hwhcw-modules/
                            This guy compiled a very thorough review of the modules in which he's playing with settings by enabling/disabling the radios power amps using writing registers. But I am totally clueless on how can this be done, if the MySensors has the proper settings preconfigured or if they're accessible and if so then where. It's not clear to me either if these registers are persistent across various sketches involving various libraries or if the used library has to have support for them and they need to be declared in every sketch or inside the library. This registry thing is pretty much where my expertise hits a wall :grin:
                            It's really strange that this 1m range is very consistend across a lot of setups I made. Maybe the power amps are disabled and they "hear" eachother while being very close, maybe by some sort of harmonics.

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                            scalz
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                            regarding the power level registers, they are set at full power when doing
                            #define MY_IS_RFM69HW
                            In the upcoming release, there will be autoadjustements of the power level.

                            Like i said above, i'm running a local beta version with the new driver, but the one included actually gave me good results with rfm69hcw (same as HW) and my nodes are using rfm69cw (same as W).
                            Lowpowerlab lib works ok with mine. I'm not sure if i tried radiohead with them, but it was ok with rfm95..

                            So that doesn't come from the lib. Unfortunately, it's consistent with your hardware&environment..that's not cool, i agree.
                            Also, i always noted that using wire between radio and breadboard, give more ack failed (using custom pcb, i don't notice this). because it can acts as sort of "ant" and add noise. But you should get more than 1m..

                            What if you put them, says, 5meters apart, and plug power. Does it work?
                            So i would bet on lot of missed packets if you can't get more than 1m.

                            • Do you have logs to see if you get some ack failed?
                            • Could you show a pic of your stuff, perhaps with two pair of eyes could help..

                            I'm missing ideas

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                              Exactly, I've exhausted all my ideas as well. It must definitely be the hardware. As for your questions, I'm not sure they can even talk at a full 1m distance, more like 0.5m.
                              I have the custom PCB design ready for production but I don't want to submit it until I do some thorough testing. I looked for alternatives on the local market but I can only find breakout boards and besides their unfeasable cost, they're too bulky to fit inside my sensor cases.
                              I found that Anarduino sells custom modules with integrated RFM69(H)W (http://www.anarduino.com/miniwireless/) that look exactly like the one I have and the one depicted the guide here: https://www.mysensors.org/build/connect_radio
                              Adafruit's Feather, as well as the Sparkfun's breakout board are using a different looking module (the same found on eBay or Aliexpress)
                              Anarduino has an old RFM69 library but I'm struggling with Arduino IDE versions since the latest version throws a bunch of errors when compiling while 1.6.5 works just fine. But the funny thing is that even they recommend using the RadioHead library :laughing:

                              Anyway, here's a bunch of pictures but I'm not sure if they're of any help.
                              http://imgur.com/a/yICkw

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                                I have had the same issues as you with the RFM69 modules.

                                First ones that I bought were marked as RFM69HCW 433mhz, and when I put them together as required, I couldn't get range of more than around 40cm. After that, the reception dropped off a cliff. One thing I did note was that the modules looked different from all the images I could see on this site, which led me to ponder whether I just had crummy modules or not. Also, given the size of the antenna, I was a bit loath to continue with 433mhz radios.

                                so I decided to up and pick up a new batch of radios, and change over to the RFM69HW (without the C), 868mhz. These ones, when I soldered them up, give me range of around 30m through the entire length of the house, through every wall.

                                So the only thing I could put my effort down to was that I just had a crummy radio module batch first, and a proper set later, so not sure I can put too much more knowledge into things here.

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                                  @Chester said:

                                  I have had the same issues as you with the RFM69 modules.

                                  First ones that I bought were marked as RFM69HCW 433mhz, and when I put them together as required, I couldn't get range of more than around 40cm. After that, the reception dropped off a cliff. One thing I did note was that the modules looked different from all the images I could see on this site, which led me to ponder whether I just had crummy modules or not. Also, given the size of the antenna, I was a bit loath to continue with 433mhz radios.

                                  so I decided to up and pick up a new batch of radios, and change over to the RFM69HW (without the C), 868mhz. These ones, when I soldered them up, give me range of around 30m through the entire length of the house, through every wall.

                                  So the only thing I could put my effort down to was that I just had a crummy radio module batch first, and a proper set later, so not sure I can put too much more knowledge into things here.

                                  What you're saying makes perfect sense, crappy batches can hit the market sometimes. But what doesn't make any sense in my situation is that I first puchased 5x 868MHz RFM69W modules but as I had other ongoing projects they stayed on shelf for about half an year. Then I considered tinkering with 433MHz RFM69HW to test the longest possible range of RFM69x line.
                                  Anyway, I absolutely need to use bare modules for my sensors so I will order a few from eBay and hopefully those ones will work.

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                                    executivul
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                                    @mihai-aldea I've bought the same modules from the same supplier.
                                    Initially I had the same problems you mention.
                                    My advice: start with the simple lowpowerlab library and their sender/receiver sketches. Use some form of ground plane directly under the module, I've ended up with small pieces of metal sheet under the modules, otherwise I had no reception. Or use a diploe as pictured earlier.
                                    By the way try touching the antenna at different points maybe you will get reception. The antenna length must be tuned to the circuit, I ended up with 96mm for one particular 868Mhz module, either the tuning circuit is flawed or my circuit messes up the antenna tuning.
                                    You can also check the interrupt gets triggered or simply use polling by calling the interrupt handler function inside the receiveDone() function to be sure you don't miss received packages (I work with Mega2560 which are not configured correctly in the library for pin2/int4).
                                    And please use some level shifters :)

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                                      #24

                                      I don't have the skill level of an RF engineer, but being also a licensed ham radio operator, I know a thing or two about RF signals and atennas.
                                      I believe your statements, yet here I am testing a prototype using a radio module that's supposed to beat the RF24 by a mile, but for this to happen I need use dipoles, ground planes, and who knows, maybe design, build and tune some magnetic loop antenna or some antenna tuning circuit for the RFM69 modules to work at 20-30 meters. For God sake, even with an improper length random wire antenna they should be able to work at 20-30m.
                                      There are people reporting good signal at distances of 13km with a bitrate of 55.5kbps. The LowPowerLab sets the default bitrate at 4kbps. That may take the distance to over 20km. But all I managed to squeeze out of my 433MHz HW modules is 3 meters. That can't be right.
                                      I contacted HopeRF and asked them about clarifications. First I need to know if their RFM69HW-V1.3.pdf is compatible with the RFM69HW REV 2.0 board (as depicted on the back of the module). I also contacted the supplier asking if they received any other complaints for those modules.
                                      What kills me is that while everything points to faulty modules, they were bought 6 months apart from the same supplier, they have different frequencies and power output and they behave the same :confused:
                                      As for the register levels, luckily I had some 3.3V Arduino Pro Mini to which I hooked a pair of factory sealed modules (to rule out any malfunction due to the improper usage with 5V I/O).
                                      Thanks to Felix's excellent library I was able to pull the complete list of registries:

                                      1 - 10 - 10000
                                      2 - 0 - 0
                                      3 - 2 - 10
                                      4 - 40 - 1000000
                                      5 - 3 - 11
                                      6 - 33 - 110011
                                      7 - 6C - 1101100
                                      8 - 40 - 1000000
                                      9 - 0 - 0
                                      A - 41 - 1000001
                                      B - 40 - 1000000
                                      C - 2 - 10
                                      D - 92 - 10010010
                                      E - F5 - 11110101
                                      F - 20 - 100000
                                      10 - 24 - 100100
                                      11 - 7F - 1111111
                                      12 - 9 - 1001
                                      13 - F - 1111
                                      14 - 40 - 1000000
                                      15 - B0 - 10110000
                                      16 - 7B - 1111011
                                      17 - 9B - 10011011
                                      18 - 8 - 1000
                                      19 - 42 - 1000010
                                      1A - 8A - 10001010
                                      1B - 40 - 1000000
                                      1C - 80 - 10000000
                                      1D - 6 - 110
                                      1E - 10 - 10000
                                      1F - 0 - 0
                                      20 - 0 - 0
                                      21 - 0 - 0
                                      22 - 0 - 0
                                      23 - 0 - 0
                                      24 - D3 - 11010011
                                      25 - 40 - 1000000
                                      26 - 7 - 111
                                      27 - D8 - 11011000
                                      28 - 0 - 0
                                      29 - DC - 11011100
                                      2A - 0 - 0
                                      2B - 0 - 0
                                      2C - 0 - 0
                                      2D - 3 - 11
                                      2E - 88 - 10001000
                                      2F - 2D - 101101
                                      30 - 64 - 1100100
                                      31 - 0 - 0
                                      32 - 0 - 0
                                      33 - 0 - 0
                                      34 - 0 - 0
                                      35 - 0 - 0
                                      36 - 0 - 0
                                      37 - 90 - 10010000
                                      38 - 42 - 1000010
                                      39 - 0 - 0
                                      3A - 0 - 0
                                      3B - 0 - 0
                                      3C - 8F - 10001111
                                      3D - 13 - 10011
                                      3E - 73 - 1110011
                                      3F - 61 - 1100001
                                      40 - 6D - 1101101
                                      41 - 70 - 1110000
                                      42 - 6C - 1101100
                                      43 - 65 - 1100101
                                      44 - 45 - 1000101
                                      45 - 6E - 1101110
                                      46 - 63 - 1100011
                                      47 - 72 - 1110010
                                      48 - 79 - 1111001
                                      49 - 70 - 1110000
                                      4A - 74 - 1110100
                                      4B - 4B - 1001011
                                      4C - 65 - 1100101
                                      4D - 79 - 1111001
                                      4E - 1 - 1
                                      4F - 0 - 0
                                      50 - 13 - 10011
                                      51 - 45 - 1000101
                                      52 - 88 - 10001000
                                      53 - 8 - 1000
                                      54 - 0 - 0
                                      55 - 0 - 0
                                      56 - 1 - 1
                                      57 - 0 - 0
                                      58 - 1B - 11011
                                      59 - 9 - 1001
                                      5A - 55 - 1010101
                                      5B - 80 - 10000000
                                      5C - 70 - 1110000
                                      5D - 33 - 110011
                                      5E - CA - 11001010
                                      5F - 8 - 1000
                                      60 - 0 - 0
                                      61 - F - 1111
                                      62 - 0 - 0
                                      63 - 0 - 0
                                      64 - 0 - 0
                                      65 - F - 1111
                                      66 - 70 - 1110000
                                      67 - 0 - 0
                                      68 - 12 - 10010
                                      69 - 16 - 10110
                                      6A - 19 - 11001
                                      6B - 1C - 11100
                                      6C - 0 - 0
                                      6D - 4 - 100
                                      6E - C - 1100
                                      6F - 30 - 110000
                                      70 - 18 - 11000
                                      71 - 0 - 0
                                      72 - 0 - 0
                                      73 - 0 - 0
                                      74 - 0 - 0
                                      75 - 0 - 0
                                      76 - 0 - 0
                                      77 - 0 - 0
                                      78 - 0 - 0
                                      79 - 0 - 0
                                      7A - 0 - 0
                                      7B - 0 - 0
                                      7C - 0 - 0
                                      7D - 0 - 0
                                      7E - 0 - 0
                                      7F - 0 - 0
                                      80 - D - 1101
                                      

                                      I had to use a minor tweak to extend the limit of registries pulled out above the initial limit of 0x4F. They are test registers and internal test registers. Not sure if they're of any help.

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                                        Well, here's some new developments. I used the Struct_send and Send_receive examples from LPL RFM69 lib.

                                        Struct_send

                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA0_OFF
                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA1_ON
                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA2_OFF
                                        
                                        #include <RFM69.h>
                                        #include <SPI.h>
                                        #include <SPIFlash.h>
                                        
                                        #define NODEID      99
                                        #define NETWORKID   100
                                        #define GATEWAYID   1
                                        #define FREQUENCY   RF69_433MHZ //Match this with the version of your Moteino! (others: RF69_433MHZ, RF69_868MHZ)
                                        #define KEY         "sampleEncryptKey" //has to be same 16 characters/bytes on all nodes, not more not less!
                                        #define LED         13
                                        #define SERIAL_BAUD 115200
                                        #define ACK_TIME    30  // # of ms to wait for an ack
                                        
                                        int TRANSMITPERIOD = 1000; //transmit a packet to gateway so often (in ms)
                                        byte sendSize=0;
                                        boolean requestACK = true;
                                        SPIFlash flash(8, 0xEF30); //EF40 for 16mbit windbond chip
                                        RFM69 radio;
                                        
                                        typedef struct {
                                          int           nodeId; //store this nodeId
                                          unsigned long uptime; //uptime in ms
                                          float         temp;   //temperature maybe?
                                        } Payload;
                                        Payload theData;
                                        
                                        void setup() {
                                          Serial.begin(SERIAL_BAUD);
                                          radio.initialize(FREQUENCY,NODEID,NETWORKID);
                                          //radio.setHighPower(); //uncomment only for RFM69HW!
                                          radio.encrypt(KEY);
                                          char buff[50];
                                          sprintf(buff, "\nTransmitting at %d Mhz...", FREQUENCY==RF69_433MHZ ? 433 : FREQUENCY==RF69_868MHZ ? 868 : 915);
                                          Serial.println(buff);
                                          
                                          if (flash.initialize())
                                            Serial.println("SPI Flash Init OK!");
                                          else
                                            Serial.println("SPI Flash Init FAIL! (is chip present?)");
                                        }
                                        
                                        long lastPeriod = -1;
                                        void loop() {
                                          //process any serial input
                                          if (Serial.available() > 0)
                                          {
                                            char input = Serial.read();
                                            if (input >= 48 && input <= 57) //[0,9]
                                            {
                                              TRANSMITPERIOD = 100 * (input-48);
                                              if (TRANSMITPERIOD == 0) TRANSMITPERIOD = 1000;
                                              Serial.print("\nChanging delay to ");
                                              Serial.print(TRANSMITPERIOD);
                                              Serial.println("ms\n");
                                            }
                                            
                                            if (input == 'r') //d=dump register values
                                              radio.readAllRegs();
                                            //if (input == 'E') //E=enable encryption
                                            //  radio.encrypt(KEY);
                                            //if (input == 'e') //e=disable encryption
                                            //  radio.encrypt(null);
                                            
                                            if (input == 'd') //d=dump flash area
                                            {
                                              Serial.println("Flash content:");
                                              int counter = 0;
                                        
                                              while(counter<=256){
                                                Serial.print(flash.readByte(counter++), HEX);
                                                Serial.print('.');
                                              }
                                              while(flash.busy());
                                              Serial.println();
                                            }
                                            if (input == 'e')
                                            {
                                              Serial.print("Erasing Flash chip ... ");
                                              flash.chipErase();
                                              while(flash.busy());
                                              Serial.println("DONE");
                                            }
                                            if (input == 'i')
                                            {
                                              Serial.print("DeviceID: ");
                                              word jedecid = flash.readDeviceId();
                                              Serial.println(jedecid, HEX);
                                            }
                                          }
                                        
                                          //check for any received packets
                                          if (radio.receiveDone())
                                          {
                                            Serial.print('[');Serial.print(radio.SENDERID, DEC);Serial.print("] ");
                                            for (byte i = 0; i < radio.DATALEN; i++)
                                              Serial.print((char)radio.DATA[i]);
                                            Serial.print("   [RX_RSSI:");Serial.print(radio.readRSSI());Serial.print("]");
                                        
                                            if (radio.ACKRequested())
                                            {
                                              radio.sendACK();
                                              Serial.print(" - ACK sent");
                                              delay(10);
                                            }
                                            Blink(LED,5);
                                            Serial.println();
                                          }
                                          
                                          int currPeriod = millis()/TRANSMITPERIOD;
                                          if (currPeriod != lastPeriod)
                                          {
                                            //fill in the struct with new values
                                            theData.nodeId = NODEID;
                                            theData.uptime = millis();
                                            theData.temp = 91.23; //it's hot!
                                            
                                            Serial.print("Sending struct (");
                                            Serial.print(sizeof(theData));
                                            Serial.print(" bytes) ... ");
                                            if (radio.sendWithRetry(GATEWAYID, (const void*)(&theData), sizeof(theData)))
                                              Serial.print(" ok!");
                                            else Serial.print(" nothing...");
                                            Serial.println();
                                            Blink(LED,3);
                                            lastPeriod=currPeriod;
                                          }
                                        }
                                        
                                        void Blink(byte PIN, int DELAY_MS)
                                        {
                                          pinMode(PIN, OUTPUT);
                                          digitalWrite(PIN,HIGH);
                                          delay(DELAY_MS);
                                          digitalWrite(PIN,LOW);
                                        }
                                        

                                        Struct_receive

                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA0_OFF
                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA1_ON
                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA2_OFF
                                        
                                        #include <RFM69.h>
                                        #include <SPI.h>
                                        #include <SPIFlash.h>
                                        
                                        #define NODEID      1
                                        #define NETWORKID   100
                                        #define FREQUENCY   RF69_433MHZ //Match this with the version of your Moteino! (others: RF69_433MHZ, RF69_868MHZ)
                                        #define KEY         "thisIsEncryptKey" //has to be same 16 characters/bytes on all nodes, not more not less!
                                        #define LED         13
                                        #define SERIAL_BAUD 115200
                                        #define ACK_TIME    30  // # of ms to wait for an ack
                                        
                                        RFM69 radio;
                                        SPIFlash flash(8, 0xEF30); //EF40 for 16mbit windbond chip
                                        bool promiscuousMode = true; //set to 'true' to sniff all packets on the same network
                                        
                                        typedef struct {    
                                          int           nodeId; //store this nodeId
                                          unsigned long uptime; //uptime in ms
                                          float         temp;   //temperature maybe?
                                        } Payload;
                                        Payload theData;
                                        
                                        void setup() {
                                          Serial.begin(SERIAL_BAUD);
                                          delay(10);
                                          radio.initialize(FREQUENCY,NODEID,NETWORKID);
                                          //radio.setHighPower(); //uncomment only for RFM69HW!
                                          radio.encrypt(KEY);
                                          radio.promiscuous(promiscuousMode);
                                          char buff[50];
                                          sprintf(buff, "\nListening at %d Mhz...", FREQUENCY==RF69_433MHZ ? 433 : FREQUENCY==RF69_868MHZ ? 868 : 915);
                                          Serial.println(buff);
                                          if (flash.initialize())
                                            Serial.println("SPI Flash Init OK!");
                                          else
                                            Serial.println("SPI Flash Init FAIL! (is chip present?)");
                                        }
                                        
                                        byte ackCount=0;
                                        void loop() {
                                          //process any serial input
                                          if (Serial.available() > 0)
                                          {
                                            char input = Serial.read();
                                            if (input == 'r') //d=dump all register values
                                              radio.readAllRegs();
                                            if (input == 'E') //E=enable encryption
                                              radio.encrypt(KEY);
                                            if (input == 'e') //e=disable encryption
                                              radio.encrypt(null);
                                            if (input == 'p')
                                            {
                                              promiscuousMode = !promiscuousMode;
                                              radio.promiscuous(promiscuousMode);
                                              Serial.print("Promiscuous mode ");Serial.println(promiscuousMode ? "on" : "off");
                                            }
                                            
                                            if (input == 'd') //d=dump flash area
                                            {
                                              Serial.println("Flash content:");
                                              int counter = 0;
                                        
                                              while(counter<=256){
                                                Serial.print(flash.readByte(counter++), HEX);
                                                Serial.print('.');
                                              }
                                              while(flash.busy());
                                              Serial.println();
                                            }
                                            if (input == 'D')
                                            {
                                              Serial.print("Deleting Flash chip content... ");
                                              flash.chipErase();
                                              while(flash.busy());
                                              Serial.println("DONE");
                                            }
                                            if (input == 'i')
                                            {
                                              Serial.print("DeviceID: ");
                                              word jedecid = flash.readDeviceId();
                                              Serial.println(jedecid, HEX);
                                            }
                                          }
                                        
                                          if (radio.receiveDone())
                                          {
                                            Serial.print('[');Serial.print(radio.SENDERID, DEC);Serial.print("] ");
                                            Serial.print(" [RX_RSSI:");Serial.print(radio.readRSSI());Serial.print("]");
                                            if (promiscuousMode)
                                          {
                                              Serial.print("to [");Serial.print(radio.TARGETID, DEC);Serial.print("] ");
                                            }
                                          
                                            if (radio.DATALEN != sizeof(Payload))
                                              Serial.print("Invalid payload received, not matching Payload struct!");
                                            else
                                            {
                                              theData = *(Payload*)radio.DATA; //assume radio.DATA actually contains our struct and not something else
                                              Serial.print(" nodeId=");
                                              Serial.print(theData.nodeId);
                                              Serial.print(" uptime=");
                                              Serial.print(theData.uptime);
                                              Serial.print(" temp=");
                                              Serial.print(theData.temp);
                                            }
                                            
                                            if (radio.ACKRequested())
                                            {
                                              byte theNodeID = radio.SENDERID;
                                              radio.sendACK();
                                              Serial.print(" - ACK sent.");
                                        
                                              // When a node requests an ACK, respond to the ACK
                                              // and also send a packet requesting an ACK (every 3rd one only)
                                              // This way both TX/RX NODE functions are tested on 1 end at the GATEWAY
                                              if (ackCount++%3==0)
                                              {
                                                Serial.print(" Pinging node ");
                                                Serial.print(theNodeID);
                                                Serial.print(" - ACK...");
                                                delay(3); //need this when sending right after reception .. ?
                                                if (radio.sendWithRetry(theNodeID, "ACK TEST", 8, 0, 50))  // 0 = only 1 attempt, no retries; wait up to 50mS
                                                  Serial.print("ok!");
                                                else Serial.print("nothing");
                                              }
                                            }
                                            Serial.println();
                                            Blink(LED,3);
                                          }
                                        }
                                        
                                        void Blink(byte PIN, int DELAY_MS)
                                        {
                                          pinMode(PIN, OUTPUT);
                                          digitalWrite(PIN,HIGH);
                                          delay(DELAY_MS);
                                          digitalWrite(PIN,LOW);
                                        }
                                        

                                        As you noticed both sketches start with

                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA0_OFF
                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA1_ON
                                        #define RF_PALEVEL_PA2_OFF
                                        

                                        so I can play with the PA's.
                                        Also the

                                          //radio.setHighPower(); //uncomment only for RFM69HW!
                                        

                                        is commented out because they appear to hear eachother fine. Well, almost fine.

                                        Here's the Struct_send output:

                                        Transmitting at 433 Mhz...
                                        SPI Flash Init FAIL! (is chip present?)
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        Sending struct (10 bytes) ...  nothing...
                                        ...........
                                        

                                        But here's the most interesting output after I changed bool promiscuousMode = false; to bool promiscuousMode = true; I was suddenly able to make them talk to each other even with both PA's disabled and the radio.setHighPower(); commented out.
                                        Here's the Struct_receive output:

                                        Listening at 433 Mhz...
                                        SPI Flash Init FAIL! (is chip present?)
                                        [212]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [189]  nodeId=10767 uptime=3895142702 temp=ovf
                                        [212]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [189]  nodeId=10767 uptime=3895142702 temp=ovf
                                        [212]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [189]  nodeId=10767 uptime=3895142702 temp=ovf
                                        [138]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [69]  nodeId=25167 uptime=755652493 temp=10.40
                                        [138]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [69]  nodeId=25167 uptime=755652493 temp=10.40
                                        [138]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [69]  nodeId=25167 uptime=755652493 temp=10.40
                                        [6]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [95]  nodeId=28423 uptime=3186857133 temp=-0.00 - ACK sent. Pinging node 6 - ACK...nothing
                                        [6]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [95]  nodeId=28423 uptime=3186857133 temp=-0.00 - ACK sent.
                                        [211]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [113]  nodeId=-15141 uptime=657118850 temp=28713.76 - ACK sent.
                                        [211]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [113]  nodeId=-15141 uptime=657118850 temp=28713.76 - ACK sent. Pinging node 211 - ACK...nothing
                                        [18]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [211]  nodeId=14750 uptime=987840321 temp=-0.00
                                        [18]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [211]  nodeId=14750 uptime=987840321 temp=-0.00
                                        [18]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [211]  nodeId=14750 uptime=987840321 temp=-0.00
                                        [133]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [167]  nodeId=-16647 uptime=1764550266 temp=ovf
                                        [133]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [167]  nodeId=-16647 uptime=1764550266 temp=ovf
                                        [133]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [167]  nodeId=-16647 uptime=1764550266 temp=ovf
                                        [50]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [109]  nodeId=19370 uptime=3957555244 temp=0.00
                                        [50]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [109]  nodeId=19370 uptime=3957555244 temp=0.00
                                        [50]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [109]  nodeId=19370 uptime=3957555244 temp=0.00
                                        [131]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [229]  nodeId=12568 uptime=2848342087 temp=ovf
                                        [131]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [229]  nodeId=12568 uptime=2848342087 temp=ovf
                                        [131]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [229]  nodeId=12568 uptime=2848342087 temp=ovf
                                        [255]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [168]  nodeId=7355 uptime=659277296 temp=0.00
                                        [255]  [RX_RSSI:-66]to [168]  nodeId=7355 uptime=659277296 temp=0.00
                                        [255]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [168]  nodeId=7355 uptime=659277296 temp=0.00
                                        [186]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [20]  nodeId=-17448 uptime=273311279 temp=-13989.21 - ACK sent.
                                        [186]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [20]  nodeId=-17448 uptime=273311279 temp=-13989.21 - ACK sent.
                                        [186]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [20]  nodeId=-17448 uptime=273311279 temp=-13989.21 - ACK sent. Pinging node 186 - ACK...nothing
                                        [26]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [43]  nodeId=2128 uptime=2142532543 temp=ovf
                                        [26]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [43]  nodeId=2128 uptime=2142532543 temp=ovf
                                        [26]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [43]  nodeId=2128 uptime=2142532543 temp=ovf
                                        [193]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [152]  nodeId=32722 uptime=2146611939 temp=-0.00 - ACK sent.
                                        [193]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [152]  nodeId=32722 uptime=2146611939 temp=-0.00 - ACK sent.
                                        [193]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [152]  nodeId=32722 uptime=2146611939 temp=-0.00 - ACK sent. Pinging node 193 - ACK...nothing
                                        [128]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [153]  nodeId=-32702 uptime=4189638721 temp=-130171.57 - ACK sent.
                                        [128]  [RX_RSSI:-67]to [153]  nodeId=-32702 uptime=4189638721 temp=-130171.57 - ACK sent.
                                        [128]  [RX_RSSI:-68]to [153]  nodeId=-32702 uptime=4189638721 temp=-130171.57 - ACK sent. Pinging node 128 - ACK...nothing
                                        

                                        Do you noticed the to column? And how the ack destination node is never the same? So it seems to me that the packets are corrupted either at source or at destination. I'm not sure if the sender is mangling it or if the receiver is parsing it wrong. But it's obvious that the one way communication works just fine. The problem is with the "full duplex" communication.

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                                          RFM69HW can not work with PA disabled, you must use radio.setHighPower(), otherwise unpredictable results may occur.
                                          try spacing them at least 1 meter apart and use radio.setPowerLevel(0) instead.

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