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How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?

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  • gohanG gohan

    I already have one boost buck converter, I only need the supercap charge controller for 2 supercap or use the 5.5v 4F I have

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    @gohan what's the input voltage for your buck-boost converter?

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      https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32757272432.html

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      • gohanG gohan

        https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32757272432.html

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        @gohan I think it looked at it. I liked the range, but I think it is a noisy one. Did you test it with oscilloscope?

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          Nope, no oscilloscope available 😇

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          • alexsh1A alexsh1

            @NeverDie said in How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?:

            @alexsh1
            Is it any better than:
            https://www.openhardware.io/view/276/33v-Buck-Boost-DC-DC-Converter
            ?

            Interesting buck-boost converter, but Input voltage is from 1.8v to 5.5v.
            I'm looking at the one with a better range of 0.9-5.5V
            I need to use two 2.7V super caps in series with a maximum efficiency

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            NeverDie
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            @alexsh1 said in How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?:

            Interesting buck-boost converter, but Input voltage is from 1.8v to 5.5v.
            I'm looking at the one with a better range of 0.9-5.5V
            I need to use two 2.7V super caps in series with a maximum efficiency

            According to its datasheet (http://www.ti.com/product/TPS63030), the TPS63030 has exactly the same Input Voltage Range: 1.8 V to 5.5 V

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              ceech
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              There is a Maxim integrated buck-boost converter, that goes down to 0.7V
              http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/256/MAX1584-MAX1585-43040.pdf
              It's quite complex though

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              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                @alexsh1 said in How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?:

                Interesting buck-boost converter, but Input voltage is from 1.8v to 5.5v.
                I'm looking at the one with a better range of 0.9-5.5V
                I need to use two 2.7V super caps in series with a maximum efficiency

                According to its datasheet (http://www.ti.com/product/TPS63030), the TPS63030 has exactly the same Input Voltage Range: 1.8 V to 5.5 V

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                @NeverDie you are correct - TPS63030 has got 1.8-5.5V input voltage.

                I wonder if there is a buck-boost converter with lower than 1V lower voltage?

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                  There is a Maxim integrated buck-boost converter, that goes down to 0.7V
                  http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/256/MAX1584-MAX1585-43040.pdf
                  It's quite complex though

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                  @ceech you bet - personally I'd stick to something much more simple

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                  • alexsh1A alexsh1

                    @NeverDie you are correct - TPS63030 has got 1.8-5.5V input voltage.

                    I wonder if there is a buck-boost converter with lower than 1V lower voltage?

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                    @alexsh1 said in How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?:

                    @NeverDie you are correct - TPS63030 has got 1.8-5.5V input voltage.

                    I wonder if there is a buck-boost converter with lower than 1V lower voltage?

                    You'd probably get the biggest range by combining a separate boost converter with a separate buck converter, rather than using a single integrated buck-boost unit.

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      Well, so far the green supercap isn't holding its charge any better. I'll leave it in-circuit for two or three days, though, and see if that improves. It's encouraging that the rate of voltage decrease is decreasing. Some supercaps apparently improve their ability to retain charge if they are forced to hold a charge long enough, though I have no idea why that is. For instance, some capacitor leakage test protocols call for holding a capacitor at its rated voltage for 72 hours before running the leakage test.

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                      #195

                      @NeverDie said in How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?:

                      Well, so far the green supercap isn't holding its charge any better. I'll leave it in-circuit for two or three days, though, and see if that improves. It's encouraging that the rate of voltage decrease is decreasing. Some supercaps apparently improve their ability to retain charge if they are forced to hold a charge long enough, though I have no idea why that is. For instance, some capacitor leakage test protocols call for holding a capacitor at its rated voltage for 72 hours before running the leakage test.

                      Well, try as I might, I just can't recommend these Chinese supercaps. I've held them at rated voltage for days on end, and I've power cycled them too. For whatever reason, they just don't perform as well as the branded supercaps that I've ordered from Digikey. I'll use-up the few I have on some throw-away prototype experiments, and I won't be ordering any more of them. Presently I think the 10F supercap on Digikey for $2 from Illinois Capacitor continues to be the best of the "value" capacitors. For best performance, I've been pleased with the AVX brand of supercaps.

                      However, if someone finds something better, either by value or by performance, please do post and let me know.

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                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                        @NeverDie said in How best to find the "best" small solar panel of a particular size?:

                        Well, so far the green supercap isn't holding its charge any better. I'll leave it in-circuit for two or three days, though, and see if that improves. It's encouraging that the rate of voltage decrease is decreasing. Some supercaps apparently improve their ability to retain charge if they are forced to hold a charge long enough, though I have no idea why that is. For instance, some capacitor leakage test protocols call for holding a capacitor at its rated voltage for 72 hours before running the leakage test.

                        Well, try as I might, I just can't recommend these Chinese supercaps. I've held them at rated voltage for days on end, and I've power cycled them too. For whatever reason, they just don't perform as well as the branded supercaps that I've ordered from Digikey. I'll use-up the few I have on some throw-away prototype experiments, and I won't be ordering any more of them. Presently I think the 10F supercap on Digikey for $2 from Illinois Capacitor continues to be the best of the "value" capacitors. For best performance, I've been pleased with the AVX brand of supercaps.

                        However, if someone finds something better, either by value or by performance, please do post and let me know.

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                        @NeverDie I have a few AVX caps and they are really good

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                          #197

                          A few boards arrived and a couple are assembled

                          0_1499186648537_20170704_182615.jpg

                          The board charges four 1.5F 2.7V super capacitors. It also provides a boost circuit with 3.45V output on main and sub outputs. It works down to 180mV and provides 3.5mA for 30 minutes. I'll report on leakage.

                          0_1499186704077_20170704_182640.jpg

                          There are two outputs main and sub. Main is on all the time and sub is switched with high signal on the mode connector.

                          0_1499186732324_schematic_800.png

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                            A few boards arrived and a couple are assembled

                            0_1499186648537_20170704_182615.jpg

                            The board charges four 1.5F 2.7V super capacitors. It also provides a boost circuit with 3.45V output on main and sub outputs. It works down to 180mV and provides 3.5mA for 30 minutes. I'll report on leakage.

                            0_1499186704077_20170704_182640.jpg

                            There are two outputs main and sub. Main is on all the time and sub is switched with high signal on the mode connector.

                            0_1499186732324_schematic_800.png

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                            @ceech is the output clean enough to power a nrf24?

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                            • gohanG gohan

                              @ceech is the output clean enough to power a nrf24?

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                              @gohan if not you could add.... wait for it.... a capacitor. (Weak, I know, but I couldnt resist)

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                                Unfortunately it's not that easy, it depends on the type of "noise" created by the booster so one type of capacitor is better than another, a low pass filter may be needed.

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                                  Noise isn't bad at all. Surprisingly. It is no bigger than the background noise when no input is connected.
                                  0_1499234299367_20170705_075404.jpg

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                                    Noise isn't bad at all. Surprisingly. It is no bigger than the background noise when no input is connected.
                                    0_1499234299367_20170705_075404.jpg

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                                    @ceech very impressive! I really like:

                                     It works down to 180mV
                                    

                                    the boost to 3.45V works until the board voltage (between pin 5 and GND) goes down to 180mV?

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                                    • alexsh1A alexsh1

                                      @ceech very impressive! I really like:

                                       It works down to 180mV
                                      

                                      the boost to 3.45V works until the board voltage (between pin 5 and GND) goes down to 180mV?

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                                      @alexsh1 Yes, the boost converter works down to 180mV. In other words, it can almost completely discharge capacitors.

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                                        @alexsh1 Yes, the boost converter works down to 180mV. In other words, it can almost completely discharge capacitors.

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                                        @ceech Which brand of caps you are using?
                                        I may be interested in this board too.

                                        I am currently running your other board with two 10F caps in a test mode with a sensor. Do not have much time for it now, most likely will report in September about my findings.

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                                        • alexsh1A alexsh1

                                          @ceech Which brand of caps you are using?
                                          I may be interested in this board too.

                                          I am currently running your other board with two 10F caps in a test mode with a sensor. Do not have much time for it now, most likely will report in September about my findings.

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                                          @alexsh1 Normally I use AVX brand.

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