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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    NeverDie
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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #584

    Looks like I was wrong earlier about the voltage reference being Vcc when doing an analog read on a pin. Instead, it seems to be a fixed reference. In any case, I'm getting better results with an expression like this, which is independent of Vcc:

    millivolts = (analogRead(PIN)*3000/4095)

    What are others here doing in this case?

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    • NeverDieN NeverDie

      Looks like I was wrong earlier about the voltage reference being Vcc when doing an analog read on a pin. Instead, it seems to be a fixed reference. In any case, I'm getting better results with an expression like this, which is independent of Vcc:

      millivolts = (analogRead(PIN)*3000/4095)

      What are others here doing in this case?

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      #585

      @NeverDie
      As mentioned earlier by someone the nrf52 is preset to 0.6v internal ref and a 1/5 divider so 0 - 3v is the max input so your calculation is correct.
      The nrf51 is different because the ref can be set to a few different settings but the default is vdd.

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      • rmtuckerR Offline
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        #586

        Is RSSI reporting implemented in the NRF5 setup yet?
        If so how is it done?

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        • scalzS Offline
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          wrote on last edited by
          #587

          I don't think sendSignalStrength function is implemented yet, but you should be able to get this info with:

          int16_t transportGetSendingRSSI(void)
          int16_t transportGetReceivingRSSI(void)
          
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            #588

            How can I redefine UART pins in nrf51822? For example, if I want to have p13 as uart tx?

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            • T Toyman

              How can I redefine UART pins in nrf51822? For example, if I want to have p13 as uart tx?

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              scalz
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              wrote on last edited by
              #589

              @Toyman
              it has been explained above in the topic ;)
              you have to follow

              • https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoBoards
              • https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoHwNRF5
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              • scalzS scalz

                I don't think sendSignalStrength function is implemented yet, but you should be able to get this info with:

                int16_t transportGetSendingRSSI(void)
                int16_t transportGetReceivingRSSI(void)
                
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                wrote on last edited by
                #590

                @scalz
                Rssi works really well.
                Thank you.

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                • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                  @scalz
                  Rssi works really well.
                  Thank you.

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                  #591

                  So range test.
                  Using esp8266 with standard nrf24 not amplified gateway at one end of the house.
                  Nrf51822 node in garage which is not fastened to house so at a guess 15m through 3 brick walls is reporting -86db.
                  I think that is quite respectable.;-)

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                  • scalzS scalz

                    @Toyman
                    it has been explained above in the topic ;)
                    you have to follow

                    • https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoBoards
                    • https://github.com/mysensors/ArduinoHwNRF5
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                    Toyman
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                    #592

                    @scalz thx.

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                      Omemanti
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                      #593

                      Regarding the PCB/KiCad comments.
                      I was trying out KiCad and copied the NRF52832 DC/DC schematic from the datasheet.

                      It might be of help for someone.
                      https://github.com/Omemanti/KiCAD/tree/master/NRF52832

                      PS. been at KiCad for a couple of hours, been used to Eagle, so please double check.

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                      • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                        @NeverDie
                        As mentioned earlier by someone the nrf52 is preset to 0.6v internal ref and a 1/5 divider so 0 - 3v is the max input so your calculation is correct.
                        The nrf51 is different because the ref can be set to a few different settings but the default is vdd.

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                        NeverDie
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                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                        #594

                        @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        @NeverDie
                        As mentioned earlier by someone the nrf52 is preset to 0.6v internal ref and a 1/5 divider so 0 - 3v is the max input so your calculation is correct.
                        The nrf51 is different because the ref can be set to a few different settings but the default is vdd.

                        I've lately found that I seem to get a more accurate measurement if I multiply by 3131 instead of 3000. Just an empirical result with no real theory behind it.

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #595

                          I don't know if it is actually related, but I'll post the link to this programmer :)
                          adafruit.com/product/3571

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                          • NeverDieN Offline
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                            NeverDie
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                            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                            #596

                            What's going to be the best way to reduce the sleep current and Tx current on the nRF52? Since I'm feeding off a supercap for power, it's noticeably worse (by an order of magnitude) on the same task than the atmega328p+rfm69 combo. I've already increased the datarate to 2mbps, and it's inherently lower Tx current should give it a natural advantage.

                            I guess I'll try reducing Tx power and see if that makes much of a dent....

                            I suppose reducing 3 separate packets to one single packet, and maybe turning off ACK requests might also help. Then, maybe all of the LONG_WAIT's can be eliminated. Is the radio still awake even if the CPU is sleeping during a "wait" period? If so, that might be a large chunk of the wasted power.

                            I wonder if the mysensors mesh networking (which I don't intend to use) might be getting in the way, and possibly keeping it awake longer than it otherwise would be? Can I disable the mysensors meshnetworking just to be sure?

                            Sorry for the shotgun blast of questions, but I'm trying to get a sense of what will yield the highest payoff.

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                              NeverDie
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                              wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                              #597

                              Since I'll be reducing Tx power in an attempt to reduce current consumption, I'll be using a scanner program to try to find empty channels. The only one I know of is: https://github.com/nRF24/RF24/tree/master/examples/scanner
                              for the nRF24L01, but it seems to work well enough if you let it run awhile. Anyone else using one that they like?

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                              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                Since I'll be reducing Tx power in an attempt to reduce current consumption, I'll be using a scanner program to try to find empty channels. The only one I know of is: https://github.com/nRF24/RF24/tree/master/examples/scanner
                                for the nRF24L01, but it seems to work well enough if you let it run awhile. Anyone else using one that they like?

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                                NeverDie
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                                wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                #598

                                @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                Since I'll be reducing Tx power in an attempt to reduce current consumption, I'll be using a scanner program to try to find empty channels. The only one I know of is: https://github.com/nRF24/RF24/tree/master/examples/scanner
                                for the nRF24L01, but it seems to work well enough if you let it run awhile. Anyone else using one that they like?

                                Nevermind. I see now that there's an entire entry on it:
                                https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/2454/node-cant-see-gateway-less-than-10m-away/11

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                                • gohanG gohan

                                  I don't know if it is actually related, but I'll post the link to this programmer :)
                                  adafruit.com/product/3571

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                                  Nca78
                                  Hardware Contributor
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #599

                                  @gohan said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  I don't know if it is actually related, but I'll post the link to this programmer :)
                                  adafruit.com/product/3571

                                  Not sure it's even legal to use this if you ever plan to sell PCBs on openhardware.io ...

                                  You may use the J-Link EDU for non profit educational purposes only! Non-profit educational purposes means that you >may not use the J-Link EDU and its J-Link software.

                                  • direct or indirect in or for a profit organization or business purposes or other undertaking intended for profit
                                  • direct or indirect in any other commercial environment (e.g. office)
                                  • to develop, debug, program or manufacturer a commercial product (or parts thereof)
                                  • to use it to either earn money or reasonably anticipate the receipt of monetary gain from it.
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                                  • Nca78N Nca78

                                    @gohan said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                    I don't know if it is actually related, but I'll post the link to this programmer :)
                                    adafruit.com/product/3571

                                    Not sure it's even legal to use this if you ever plan to sell PCBs on openhardware.io ...

                                    You may use the J-Link EDU for non profit educational purposes only! Non-profit educational purposes means that you >may not use the J-Link EDU and its J-Link software.

                                    • direct or indirect in or for a profit organization or business purposes or other undertaking intended for profit
                                    • direct or indirect in any other commercial environment (e.g. office)
                                    • to develop, debug, program or manufacturer a commercial product (or parts thereof)
                                    • to use it to either earn money or reasonably anticipate the receipt of monetary gain from it.
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                                    gohan
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                                    wrote on last edited by gohan
                                    #600

                                    @Nca78 Educational versions of many things can not be used for commercial purposes, maybe they got an agreement as it will be sold primarily to hobbyists.

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                                      wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                      #601

                                      In my testing, NRF5_PA_LOW did offer some modest reduction in overall current consumption, but it's no silver bullet.

                                      The range with NRF5_PA_MIN is just a few feet, so I don't consider it practical for the vast majority of use cases.

                                      So, further reductions in current consumption will have to come from somewhere (?) else.

                                      I suppose the next step is to turn-off auto ACK's and any listening for ACK's by the mote. Hopefully (?) there's a switch in myconfig which does that.

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                                        d00616
                                        Contest Winner
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #602

                                        I have checked the current with my nRF52 board with integrated shunt. I have measured 6.5µA while sleeping until timeout or sleeping until interrupt. It doesn't matter if RX/TX are connected but after flashing the firmware a reset by removing the voltage is required.

                                        There was an bug, with any type of sleep(0) which is fixed by this PR https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/pull/909

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #603

                                          Unless I'm doing it unwittingly, I'm not doing any sleep(0)'s at present.

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