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  • klimK Offline
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    klim
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    #12

    Thanks a lot for clarifying, i didn't thought about that before. This means the power consumption is not as good as it seems.

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      #13

      Tried to search google to back up my theory, but I failed at it :sa:

      So I turned to a group of fellow electronic nerds, asking them how to measure things.. The conclusion from their responses is:

      Use DC current measurement, if your multimeter is good at averaging things. Otherwise, use a oscilloscope with a series resistor, and use integral maths to calculate the real current usage..

      So I was wrong in my assumptions.. Sorry :)

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      • klimK Offline
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        Thanks for your info. That was my toughts too, to use an oscilloscope and integrating the current over time, but first i need a good digital oscilloscope to do that.

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          This was also my method (using an oscilloscope to integrate the current), but...I found it difficult to measure the very low currents...µA range with an oscilloscope (these are very high quality Tectronics units, we have many at work, but there is some DC offset even though I calibrated the probe, yada yada yada). So, on some more recent measurements I used a Keithley bench multimeter with averaging. I guess the final test is to see how long the batteries (or battery) actually last.

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          • klimK Offline
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            klim
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            #16

            I know about the problems and accuracy for very low current measurements without special instruments. Therefore i want to buy a µCurrent Gold adapter soon, it is a very cost effective way to measure very low currents. This adapter with the combination of a digital oscilloscope with math is what we need here. But at the end as therik already said: the final test is to see how long the battery actually last

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            • klimK klim

              I know about the problems and accuracy for very low current measurements without special instruments. Therefore i want to buy a µCurrent Gold adapter soon, it is a very cost effective way to measure very low currents. This adapter with the combination of a digital oscilloscope with math is what we need here. But at the end as therik already said: the final test is to see how long the battery actually last

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              tbowmo
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              @klim said:

              the final test is to see how long the battery actually last

              Only problem is, that this is going to take a very long time to check..

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              • klimK Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #18

                That's the reason, we must use instruments and methods to give predictions, instead of waiting for real results ;-)

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                  therik
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                  #19

                  The longer it takes to find out, the better, right? ;)

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                  • T therik

                    The longer it takes to find out, the better, right? ;)

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                    @therik Yes, but then any corrections also take longer to test.. :-)

                    RJ_Make

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                      that0n3guy
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                      #21

                      Well, if its pulling ~1mA, then it should only last about a month or two. (right?)

                      You could also pull battery voltages to see the battery "level" as well.

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                      • klimK klim

                        Hi, i want to present you my working but not really sexy looking single cell AA battery sensor. It is as it is - under development and was just made to get some experience about power consumption and physical size.
                        I thought a lot about the type of battery to choose, but at the end i desisted to use an ordinary AA cell. I know about the advantages and disadvantages of different battery chemistry and types, but in the aspect of price/mA the AA battery is still the winner. Self discharge of a few years is acceptable for that type of battery.
                        Another aspect i followed is, just to use buy-able and assembled modules, as i don't have enough time to build my own arduino board, or battery management (step up), etc. .....

                        The core of the sensor is the battery itself. The components are mounted around the battery. The sensor can be completely disassembled in a few seconds, as the modules are just connected with pin headers.
                        The power consumption for sleep is around 90µA, if i can believe my Fluke 175. The power consumption of normal operation and transmit i don't post here, because of two reasons:

                        1. I was not able to get a good measurement result with a multimeter. I should integrate the consumption over time to get a real result.
                        2. The lifetime of a sensor is dominated by the sleep consumption, not by the operating consumption (if transmission time is just a few times per hour)

                        There are still some improvements to do, but ehh, this is just a prototype.

                        Used components:
                        -Arduino pro mini 3.3V @ 8Mhz (mcu board)
                        -NRF24L01 (wireless board)
                        -3.3V StepUp (0.8V-3.3V from Canton electronic an ebay product link)

                        Modifications:
                        -Arduino board: Cut LED
                        -Arduino board: Cut LDO
                        -StepUp board: Cut LED

                        Physical dimensions (without pin headers):
                        65mm x 22mm x 25mm

                        Which values the sensor can send?
                        In general this is just a battery monitor, as i want to get some experience of power consumption, but the pin header is able to work with various types of sensors. I use a simple DS18B20 temperature sensor on the header pins.

                        Here are some pictures:

                        Overall view1
                        upload-55448569-77ab-4346-80ce-0fbb859991ea

                        Overall view2
                        upload-47cc27d8-c72c-47f6-8219-ed2668202c61

                        Overall view3
                        upload-ec04de50-8172-4891-914f-413dafa86824

                        Overall view4
                        upload-10334a15-91fb-4171-bda9-92e976e95de7

                        Unused space over battery, but i didn't had the correct pin headers at home "mea culpa"
                        upload-3e47d133-e3e2-46e0-8fc1-c3d667439ece

                        Disassembled view1
                        upload-fce77d46-7b45-4388-920d-f74055c0a75e

                        Disassembled view2
                        upload-6278a2b6-a1ce-41a1-a788-146209c0ab04

                        Assemble view1
                        upload-aba7428f-b2b4-40c3-a727-c4923e15f347

                        Assemble view2
                        upload-46644d8c-9537-431b-8bc2-eeaace130e79

                        Assemble view3
                        upload-2dd25b83-45e6-4861-9934-9fb3288185ef

                        Assemble view4
                        upload-d954cb15-453d-4817-bc0c-cb589acdf69d

                        Assemble view5
                        upload-ea78b989-eeb8-4d9d-be4d-846bf6b3e8d1

                        Bottom view (remember - just a prototype)
                        upload-62b434cd-c8d5-48dd-b959-d897f8de4224

                        I hope i could give you some potential ideas for your own project.
                        Questions, suggestions, feedback, all is welcome.

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #22

                        @klim Nice integration.

                        Do you have a schematic of your board ?
                        especially for the pins with the jumper.

                        As I can see, the blue jumper is for open/closed current loop, but for the other pins ?

                        Thanks

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                          jsiddall
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                          #23

                          Looks like it has been a year or two now. Is it still going on the original battery?

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