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Supercap Solar Powered Mysensors nodes as cheap as possible

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  • gohanG Offline
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    The best option I think would be 2 supercaps in series and a balance circuit/overvoltage protection /sab mosfets, this way you only need the solar panel and a diode for charging. The problem still remains when the supercaps eventually drain completely

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      I'm kind of stuck in finding any ready made product for balancing, so I'm looking at the ALD810026 sab mosfet chip and mount it on a 8soic to dip adapter. It's the closest I could get without the need to print out a pcb. What do you think?

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        I'm kind of stuck in finding any ready made product for balancing, so I'm looking at the ALD810026 sab mosfet chip and mount it on a 8soic to dip adapter. It's the closest I could get without the need to print out a pcb. What do you think?

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        @gohan said in Supercap Solar Powered Mysensors nodes as cheap as possible:

        ALD810026

        I haven't tried to do balancing, so you're guess is probably better than mine. The guy with the swiss accent had a circuit for it. Your solution sounds better than his though because his only worked while charging to maximum charge whereas yours maybe balances after-the-fact and/or to less charges as well?

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          Yes, he used those pcbs from aliexpress that do overvoltage protection, but those are sized for much bigger caps and wouldn't fit much into small boxes. For what I could understand the sab mosfets work while the supercap discharges to keep voltage even across them, so you have to be careful not to apply a higher voltage than the maximum combined of the caps in series. If I could find a way to make a overvoltage protection with some simple components I'd be fine with it.

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            #38

            Not long ago someone (was it you?) posted a link to a youtube video where some guy had a charge balancing circuit that wasted very little power, IIRC. He's probably selling it now. Maybe you could just buy one of those?

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              exactly, it was me and it was about these sab mosfets

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                I maybe up to something: I used a MCP1700 ldo and on Vout a diode + a schottky in series to drop the voltage ( could have used just the diode, but the Vout was 2.7x volts so for supercap longevity I added the schottky to have a safe margin) and it is charging even with panel pointed away from the sun. I'll see how it goes tomorrow, but I am pretty happy with the results so far. If it works I think i can't go cheaper then a LDO + 2 diodes :v:

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                  It started charging at around 7:30am: it is placed on an eastern wall in vertical position with practically no direct sunlight. It takes a while to stabilize around 2.55V but overall it looks reasonable for the cost of all the power circuit.

                  0_1509635630373_upload-5a2288c5-2308-4125-ba3e-6d83cb94fa71

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                    What is the cost? Also, it's not clear to me how much usable charge you're getting.

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                      1.5€ for solar panel, 1.7€ for 100F supercap, 1€ for booster and some cents for MCP1700, diodes and a small PCB. A fully charged supercap gives 3 days of working time, with send every 10 minutes of temp. hum, TX rssi, RX RSSI, battery voltage and battery percentage

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                        #44

                        Sounds sorta roughly like the kind of circuit used in solar garden lamps, except you've replaced the typical rechargeable battery with a supercap and are boosting to a higher voltage than they typically do. I wonder whether any of them do boost to the same voltage that you're targeting? Perhaps the brighter ones, for example? Those solar garden lights typically have a single, inexpensive integrated circuit that does it all.

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                          the booster is plugged in the Easy PCB and it is used to power arduino and sensor

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                            the booster is plugged in the Easy PCB and it is used to power arduino and sensor

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                            @gohan said in Supercap Solar Powered Mysensors nodes as cheap as possible:

                            the booster is plugged in the Easy PCB and it is used to power arduino and sensor

                            By "plugged in," do you mean like in your earlier photo?
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                              nope, that was the 5.5v supercap version. I mean plugged in in the socket next to the green screw terminal. Of course the buck boost module now it is not used. I have to put the new photo I know.

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                                Since you're not posting schematics, maybe it's time for a new photo....

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                                  I need to learn how to make schematics :sweat_smile:

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                                    0_1509643234861_upload-e0f0eada-447b-47c3-9d6d-500457d53ed2

                                    Does it make sense? The output terminals go to the Easy Pcb green screw terminals .

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                                      0_1509643234861_upload-e0f0eada-447b-47c3-9d6d-500457d53ed2

                                      Does it make sense? The output terminals go to the Easy Pcb green screw terminals .

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                                      @gohan said in Supercap Solar Powered Mysensors nodes as cheap as possible:

                                      Does it make sense?

                                      I suppose. Why the two diodes again instead of just the one?

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                                        Because only one was not dropping enough voltage to have a safe margin, the schottky is giving that extra 0.2v

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                                          You'll have a very long charge tail with the diode(s) in that position.

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