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Another possible board - ATMega328, nRF socket, DHT22 socket, MOSFET, Uno pinout

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  • O obstler42

    I received my boards and already started taking the first one apart ;)

    The board itself is nice, the problem is when you want to power it from a battery: the voltage regulator draws about 3-4 mA minimum, even when powering directly through VCC with 3V3. So sleep mode is useless. Removing the voltage regulator, it gets down to a standard 20 uA. So I will desolder the regulators and replace them with more efficient MCP1700 (which is a bit of a hassle since pinout is different)

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    @obstler42 Got mine also upload-75883dcf-6004-4676-8600-82332f72b86b

    Beautiful boards! I "assembled" all 4 of them and will transform them into Sensors this weekend. At this moment I am powering the boards as shown. Measurement: 4 mA active, < 15uA when in MySensors "Sleep" mode.... nothing removed.. So I don't see any need for replacing/ removing the LDO..

    Looks like a very good candidate for future expansion..

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      @obstler42 Got mine also upload-75883dcf-6004-4676-8600-82332f72b86b

      Beautiful boards! I "assembled" all 4 of them and will transform them into Sensors this weekend. At this moment I am powering the boards as shown. Measurement: 4 mA active, < 15uA when in MySensors "Sleep" mode.... nothing removed.. So I don't see any need for replacing/ removing the LDO..

      Looks like a very good candidate for future expansion..

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      @AWI Intresting radio module you got there! is it without PA but still with external antenna? Where did you get it?

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      • korttomaK korttoma

        @AWI Intresting radio module you got there! is it without PA but still with external antenna? Where did you get it?

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        http://www.ebay.nl/usr/alice1101983
        http://stores.ebay.nl/txhangelectronic/

        Not sure if i'am happy with these. The range does not seem to be much better that with the naked modules.

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        • bjornhallbergB bjornhallberg

          @Mrlynx Didn't know the esp8266 was such a power hog. I'm still going to go for Linear LTC3525-3.3 initially though.

          The xc6210 looks promising though! What's the catch here?

          Not sure about the part designation but it seems to be pretty cheap on AliExpress. In 50 or 100 pcs though ...

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          @bjornhallberg said:

          The xc6210 looks promising though! What's the catch here?

          I'm using for a long time xc206, it s one of the best to power NRF24
          xc6210 should be also good. Any good proposals on pricing?

          xc6206 i was purchased $5 per 100pcs

          for esp it can be also reasonable to use DC-DC, it will be much more efficient
          for example NCP1529 if you need 5V -> 3.3V conversion (1.7A)
          or MP2359 if you need to convert any up to 24V (1.2A)
          both requires just a few components and a very small SOT23 package
          MP2359 costs about $20 per 100pcs and can be used widely
          i use them for example to light up and dim strip leds

          sense and drive

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            @obstler42 Got mine also upload-75883dcf-6004-4676-8600-82332f72b86b

            Beautiful boards! I "assembled" all 4 of them and will transform them into Sensors this weekend. At this moment I am powering the boards as shown. Measurement: 4 mA active, < 15uA when in MySensors "Sleep" mode.... nothing removed.. So I don't see any need for replacing/ removing the LDO..

            Looks like a very good candidate for future expansion..

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            @AWI Do you have an enclosure in mind?

            RJ_Make

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            • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

              @AWI Do you have an enclosure in mind?

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              @ServiceXp Not sure yet, probably a cheap ABS box. The enclosure suggested by the seller of this module looks like the perfect fit.. ! with an external antenna. upload-d4a4e674-6be1-4aa8-b637-4aacbe627440

              It can be found on on e-bay (name of the seller in the logo)
              upload-3289262f-8733-4c34-9679-a44dc314904f

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                @ServiceXp Not sure yet, probably a cheap ABS box. The enclosure suggested by the seller of this module looks like the perfect fit.. ! with an external antenna. upload-d4a4e674-6be1-4aa8-b637-4aacbe627440

                It can be found on on e-bay (name of the seller in the logo)
                upload-3289262f-8733-4c34-9679-a44dc314904f

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                @AWI I guess this would count as reason #18 to purchase a 3D Printer..... Yeah Like I need a reason to buy tech gear...

                RJ_Make

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                • axillentA axillent

                  @bjornhallberg said:

                  The xc6210 looks promising though! What's the catch here?

                  I'm using for a long time xc206, it s one of the best to power NRF24
                  xc6210 should be also good. Any good proposals on pricing?

                  xc6206 i was purchased $5 per 100pcs

                  for esp it can be also reasonable to use DC-DC, it will be much more efficient
                  for example NCP1529 if you need 5V -> 3.3V conversion (1.7A)
                  or MP2359 if you need to convert any up to 24V (1.2A)
                  both requires just a few components and a very small SOT23 package
                  MP2359 costs about $20 per 100pcs and can be used widely
                  i use them for example to light up and dim strip leds

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                  @axillent said:

                  @bjornhallberg said:

                  The xc6210 looks promising though! What's the catch here?

                  I'm using for a long time xc206, it s one of the best to power NRF24
                  xc6210 should be also good. Any good proposals on pricing?

                  xc6206 i was purchased $5 per 100pcs

                  Just to add another option...I've been using the Fremont Micro Devices USA FT531JA. It has higher ripple rejection ratio than either of the above and is ~$20 for 100. Not as cheap as the xc6206, but much, much better ripple rejection. So, just another option that I found, it also has the same pin-out as the xc6210!! So, we can try them both with the same PCB design, cool.

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                    If interested in another voltage regulator, I can equip a few boards with ADP3338, low dropout and low ground current regulators. Description:
                    http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/linear-regulators/adp3338/products/product.html
                    Any other wish - let me know.

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                    • C ceech

                      If interested in another voltage regulator, I can equip a few boards with ADP3338, low dropout and low ground current regulators. Description:
                      http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/linear-regulators/adp3338/products/product.html
                      Any other wish - let me know.

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                      @ceech

                      Are you the creator of the board?

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                        @ceech

                        Are you the creator of the board?

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                        @hek
                        I've made it, yes.

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                          ceech
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                          This is the enclosure from the pictures:
                          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Project-Box-Enclosure-Case-Electronic-DIY-1111-4-33-2-44-0-98-L-W-H-/300376371464?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item45efd3b108
                          It's a tight fit. Needs a few strokes with the sand paper over the PCB. No need for drilling holes, though.
                          And here is one more option for a voltage regulator:
                          http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=TC2117

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                          • AWIA AWI

                            @obstler42 Got mine also upload-75883dcf-6004-4676-8600-82332f72b86b

                            Beautiful boards! I "assembled" all 4 of them and will transform them into Sensors this weekend. At this moment I am powering the boards as shown. Measurement: 4 mA active, < 15uA when in MySensors "Sleep" mode.... nothing removed.. So I don't see any need for replacing/ removing the LDO..

                            Looks like a very good candidate for future expansion..

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                            @AWI said:

                            @obstler42 Got mine also

                            Beautiful boards! I "assembled" all 4 of them and will transform them into Sensors this weekend. At this moment I am powering the boards as shown. Measurement: 4 mA active, < 15uA when in MySensors "Sleep" mode.... nothing removed.. So I don't see any need for replacing/ removing the LDO..

                            How are you measuring power consumption? Are you powering from ftdi and measuring on the vcc cable? I've found that when TX/RX are connected and power consumption goes down that with some ftdi boards power is supplied through ftdi TX to the board RX, which makes exact measurements difficult. I only ever connect GND and VIN when measuring now.

                            So I'd be really interested in how you can get 15 uA sleep with the stock regulator as I spent a whole day trying everything before desoldering it ;)

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                              @AWI said:

                              @obstler42 Got mine also

                              Beautiful boards! I "assembled" all 4 of them and will transform them into Sensors this weekend. At this moment I am powering the boards as shown. Measurement: 4 mA active, < 15uA when in MySensors "Sleep" mode.... nothing removed.. So I don't see any need for replacing/ removing the LDO..

                              How are you measuring power consumption? Are you powering from ftdi and measuring on the vcc cable? I've found that when TX/RX are connected and power consumption goes down that with some ftdi boards power is supplied through ftdi TX to the board RX, which makes exact measurements difficult. I only ever connect GND and VIN when measuring now.

                              So I'd be really interested in how you can get 15 uA sleep with the stock regulator as I spent a whole day trying everything before desoldering it ;)

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                              @obstler42 Oops... . Just tried again and found out that my uA meter was on "autorange". Only a factor 1000 off... I'm sorry for that, how can I compensate. for this stupid mistake..

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                                I've made so many mistakes myself trying to optimize for lowest power consumption battery deplyment...

                                BTW: another gotcha: don't leave the NRF24 on the board when connecting to a 5V FTDI... the FTDI connector voltage pin does NOT go through the voltage regulator but straight to VCC -- which means you'll be roasting the NRF24 with 5 V...

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                                • C ceech

                                  If interested in another voltage regulator, I can equip a few boards with ADP3338, low dropout and low ground current regulators. Description:
                                  http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/linear-regulators/adp3338/products/product.html
                                  Any other wish - let me know.

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                                  @ceech Since you are the creator of this board. I am interested in how you use it. Especially how to operate this board on battery power and the power consumption..

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                                  • AWIA AWI

                                    @ceech Since you are the creator of this board. I am interested in how you use it. Especially how to operate this board on battery power and the power consumption..

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                                    @AWI
                                    I normally use a 12V car battery, for monitoring different values in the car. When the board is used in single cell battery applications, I go with a different type of voltage regulator. Normally I use TC2117 3.3V voltage regulator. Unfortunately those regulators are not available for purchase either form Farnell nor Microchip at the moment. They will be available on the 9th of March. So a bit of a set back. As for the enclosure, I use this:
                                    DSC_0390_00.jpg

                                    And a little 5V solar cell, when appropriate:

                                    DSC_0395_00.jpg

                                    there is also a matter of battery charging, which I leave to this fellow:

                                    http://www.ebay.com/itm/221533778016?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

                                    I'm also preparing a new board, with integrated battery charger for LiPo, LiIon batteries and some other cool features.

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                                    • AWIA AWI

                                      @ceech Since you are the creator of this board. I am interested in how you use it. Especially how to operate this board on battery power and the power consumption..

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                                      @AWI Here is a graphical explanation of the socket connections:
                                      IoT_Pro_011a.png
                                      SDA and SCL lines also have pull-up resistors. They are 10k.

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                                        @AWI Here is a graphical explanation of the socket connections:
                                        IoT_Pro_011a.png
                                        SDA and SCL lines also have pull-up resistors. They are 10k.

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                                        @ceech Thanks!!

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                                          how to upload custom bootloader?maybe you should put additional icsp port

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