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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    NeverDie
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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #248

    Judging from the looks of the photo directly above though, it looks like quite a bit of copper wasn't removed where it needed to be. I'm guessing I will need to:

    1. etch to a deeper depth; and/or,
    2. use a finer mesh for auto-leveling; and/or
    3. ???
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    • E Offline
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      #249

      Etch 0.1mm. The groove between tracks also helps with soldering. I currently use 0.1mm and even 0.15 when in a hurry.

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        So, I re-ran the job over the same area with the g-code modified by auto-leveling, and this time I got a better result:
        0_1514083159570_etching2.jpg

        So, now I'll try it on a fresh area of the PCB, after doing a new auto-leveling.

        rmtuckerR Offline
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        #250

        @neverdie
        The last photo looks like the tip is missing from the cutter?

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        • rmtuckerR rmtucker

          @neverdie
          The last photo looks like the tip is missing from the cutter?

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          #251

          @rmtucker Good catch! Here it is in contrast to a new one:
          0_1514124264773_broken.jpg

          I'll replace it with the new one.

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          • NeverDieN NeverDie

            @rmtucker Good catch! Here it is in contrast to a new one:
            0_1514124264773_broken.jpg

            I'll replace it with the new one.

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            #252

            @neverdie
            Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.
            It is so easy to smash the front of an engraving cutter when using this method for autolevelling as the machine takes a little time to stop after touching the pcb.
            Just my advice anyway:relaxed:

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            • rmtuckerR rmtucker

              @neverdie
              Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.
              It is so easy to smash the front of an engraving cutter when using this method for autolevelling as the machine takes a little time to stop after touching the pcb.
              Just my advice anyway:relaxed:

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              wrote on last edited by NeverDie
              #253

              @rmtucker said in CNC PCB milling:

              Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.

              What's a "duff cutter"? Did you mean "dull cutter"?

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              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                @rmtucker said in CNC PCB milling:

                Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.

                What's a "duff cutter"? Did you mean "dull cutter"?

                rmtuckerR Offline
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                #254

                @neverdie
                Yes sorry a used one:wink:

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                • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                  @neverdie
                  Yes sorry a used one:wink:

                  NeverDieN Offline
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                  #255

                  @rmtucker Thanks! Makes sense to me. I'll do it that way.

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #256

                    Argh. I ran the job, and the first cut went great. All subsequent cuts though didn't penetrate the surface:
                    0_1514131937250_etch2.jpg
                    Afterward, when I checked the zero on z, I found that it was off by 0.049. That explains it, since the cut-depth was 0.05.

                    I'll re-zero and try running the same job again.

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                      #257

                      That made a much better result:
                      0_1514134150665_etch3.jpg
                      It corresponds to this as the actual PCB:
                      0_1514134183073_pcb3.jpg

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                      • NeverDieN Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                        #258

                        However, what's telling is that it obliterated the traces on either side of a 6 mil separation:
                        0_1514134391307_etch4.jpg
                        This is how it should look instead:
                        0_1514135454019_jumper.png
                        0_1514134628617_pcb4.jpg

                        So, what happened?

                        My current hypothesis: the first cutting sheared 0.049mm off the tip of the blade, making it wider than it should be. Then, after re-zeroing, the wider blade cut too wide as it cut the traces for the solder jumper.

                        Is that reasonable, or is there a better hypothesis?

                        If it's true, then what do I do about it? Perhaps use a higher quality bit than the freebie that came with the kit?

                        Actually, I'm not even sure what the dimensions were on the freebie. It wasn't labeled. Perhaps it was too wide to begin with.

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                          #259

                          Well, to explore this more, I think I'll create a test board consisting purely of a few solder jumpers. That way I can put the focus directly on the 6 mil issue and won't be wasting time on etching that's unrelated to that.

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                            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                            #260

                            Doing just a single solder jumper, with the same bit, and autoleveling every 1mm, the result is:
                            0_1514143618998_etch5.jpg
                            which is pretty close, actually. Looks like maybe the bit is a little too wide, or else there's runout which is making it appear wider than it actually is.

                            I'll try it with a fresh bit next and see if it improves.

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                              #261

                              Well, that went horribly:
                              0_1514145362189_etch6.jpg
                              and I have no idea why:

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                                #262

                                I tried again with the same bit, after removing and re-inserting it. Got a better result this time:
                                0_1514147487748_etch7.jpg

                                Unless someone has suggestions on how to tweak this, I think that may represent approximately the best this CNC can do.

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                                  wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                  #263

                                  In truth, though, I think it may be a flawed gcode algorithm:
                                  0_1514147871026_flawed_algorithm.png
                                  Instead of two separate cutting passes through the center section, one would do, and would produce a better result.

                                  How to tweak flatcam to do that? I probably haven't configured flatcam correctly. i.e. user error.

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                                  • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                    However, what's telling is that it obliterated the traces on either side of a 6 mil separation:
                                    0_1514134391307_etch4.jpg
                                    This is how it should look instead:
                                    0_1514135454019_jumper.png
                                    0_1514134628617_pcb4.jpg

                                    So, what happened?

                                    My current hypothesis: the first cutting sheared 0.049mm off the tip of the blade, making it wider than it should be. Then, after re-zeroing, the wider blade cut too wide as it cut the traces for the solder jumper.

                                    Is that reasonable, or is there a better hypothesis?

                                    If it's true, then what do I do about it? Perhaps use a higher quality bit than the freebie that came with the kit?

                                    Actually, I'm not even sure what the dimensions were on the freebie. It wasn't labeled. Perhaps it was too wide to begin with.

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #264

                                    @neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

                                    Actually, I'm not even sure what the dimensions were on the freebie. It wasn't labeled. Perhaps it was too wide to begin with.

                                    Maybe this is where your problem lies.
                                    How did you write the g-code without knowing?
                                    Too many variables here wich could give you these results.
                                    The bigger tracks,Are they measuring the correct width with a vernier after you have cut them?

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #265

                                      I assumed the width on the freebies was 0.1mm, because that's what was advertised on Jack's posting for the machine. However, I don't know how to verify that, so the uncertainty comes in whether Jack actually delivered what was advertised or slipped in something else. I chose to give Jack the benefit of the doubt.

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                                        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                        #266

                                        If I were to enter a wider tool diameter of 0.155mm (instead of 0.1mm) into flatcam, I think I can coax flatcam into generating better g-code for this situation. I'll do that and then post the results.

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                                        • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                          Doing just a single solder jumper, with the same bit, and autoleveling every 1mm, the result is:
                                          0_1514143618998_etch5.jpg
                                          which is pretty close, actually. Looks like maybe the bit is a little too wide, or else there's runout which is making it appear wider than it actually is.

                                          I'll try it with a fresh bit next and see if it improves.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #267

                                          @neverdie have you verified isolation between the parts? The cut is good?

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