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Soil Tensiometer Sensor Network

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  • epierreE Offline
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    epierre
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    wrote on last edited by
    #25

    @NeverDie in fact I'm colorblind so I need something to tell me between green and brown...but that's a very interresting discussion !

    z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
    rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
    mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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    • NeverDieN Offline
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      #26

      In that case technology is your friend. :smile:

      Regarding # of soil probes and depth, I'm finding that the deeper one is probably the most important, at least for established turf. You can keep the upper layer fairly moist by watering for too short a time, and interestingly, the water never makes it very far down. Here we have clay soil, and it may be different for sandy soil. Here the result is that the roots at the deeper layers keep pumping the water out, and it just gets drier and drier at the deeper layer. It's invisible: you can't know that from just looking at things or feeling the top of the soil. In fact, without a soil probe (or a shovel) I don't think there's any way to know that such a thing is going on.

      On the other hand, most grass roots are shallow, and if push comes to shove, I'm not sure to what degree deeper watering saves water or is a waste of water. I think it might save water, though, because the shallower soil is more prone to evaporation. The standard advice seems to be to water infrequently, but deep.

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        epierre
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        #27

        @NeverDie in engineer school I couldn't go and grab resistors nor check the values... a pity...

        you said about 2", 4", and 8" deep, but given the sensor size are 2 and 4 not too close this way given their own size ?

        z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
        rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
        mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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        • NeverDieN Offline
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          NeverDie
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          #28

          Not sure what you mean.

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          • epierreE Offline
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            #29

            @neverdie 2'' and 4'' are pretty close in depth (unless you put them horizontally, not vertically).

            in international units that makes 5, 10 and 20cm depths, my sensor is already 8 cm in height.

            z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
            rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
            mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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            • epierreE epierre

              @neverdie 2'' and 4'' are pretty close in depth (unless you put them horizontally, not vertically).

              in international units that makes 5, 10 and 20cm depths, my sensor is already 8 cm in height.

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              #30

              @epierre said:

              @neverdie 2'' and 4'' are pretty close in depth (unless you put them horizontally, not vertically).

              in international units that makes 5, 10 and 20cm depths, my sensor is already 8 cm in height.

              At present, I'm undoubtedly using a different sensor than you are, and I mounted it horizontally at the depth indicated, not vertically, if that's what you're doing. At the time I installed it, my goal for each sensor was just to measure soil moisture at a given depth, not across depths.

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                @NeverDie have you gone to use the EvapoTranspiration calculus such as described below (example in the second part after the theory)

                http://www.konza.ksu.edu/weather/ReferenceET.PDF

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                rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
                mysensors -> mysensors-gw -> Domoticz

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                • epierreE epierre

                  @NeverDie have you gone to use the EvapoTranspiration calculus such as described below (example in the second part after the theory)

                  http://www.konza.ksu.edu/weather/ReferenceET.PDF

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                  @epierre said:

                  @NeverDie have you gone to use the EvapoTranspiration calculus such as described below (example in the second part after the theory)

                  http://www.konza.ksu.edu/weather/ReferenceET.PDF

                  I haven't. It would be a great help if there were a free library that worked with generic weather station gear. It would seem that Davis has a non-free library that works with their particular weather station gear, but aside from that, I don't know of much else.

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                  • Lawrence HelmL Offline
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                    #33

                    Also looking at soil moisture probes, either https://www.tindie.com/products/miceuz/i2c-soil-moisture-sensor/ which is based on the chirp one. Just need to seal the sides, or otherwise http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Soil-temperature-and-humidity-sensors-SHT10/1773013_32356151782.html

                    Is anyone using the SHT ones ? (hopefully no pun intended) :)

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                      @Lawrence-Helm sht10 are expensive and are sensible to humidity, they are thus not made to stay in the ground or water.

                      the soil humidity need to reach the captor but this one is not meant to support being in a too high humidity environment.

                      Otherwise they are good ones

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                      • Lawrence HelmL Offline
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                        @epierre the SHT10 that I put a link to has the following statements:

                        • Can be completely submerged.

                        and

                        • Usage:The probe can be directly embedded in the soil

                        Also the following link: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1298

                        Are your thoughts still the same, before I bite the bullet :)

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                          #36

                          read the description:

                          "but it's always best to avoid long-term (over 1 hour at a time) submersion, if you need something that can be submerged for over an hour you may want to find a different sensor. "

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                            @Lawrence-Helm I've got a collection of them and looked at their assembly, clearly don't trust the ill traducted or too much over-selling descriptions when you put electronic in a very humid environment

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                              @epierre Hi...it is ameasing your work!! :D

                              I am wondering about Mq-135. We have troubles with reading differents gases.
                              From the datasheet we read the slopes
                              Gas X" X0" "Rs/R0 "Rs/R0 pendiente (log y- log y0)/(log x-log x0)"
                              Air 200 10 3.6 3.6 0.00000
                              co 200 10 1.3 2.9 -0.26783
                              nh4 200 10 0.79 2.7 -0.41024
                              c02 200 10 0.8 2.4 -0.36673
                              3/4/ 200 10 0.72 1.9 -0.32391
                              1/4/ 200 10 0.64 1.5 -0.28432
                              +- 200 10 0.59 1.4 -0.28845

                              these data are in the next worksheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Z6XyxwXVsWdMIk9vbUuCucaLJDdmR0QUFSTYG79ftw/edit?usp=sharing

                              ¿may you share with us your code for this sensor in order to see your slopes and Rs/R0 values taken from the curve?
                              ¿do you know the meaning of the name go gases with 3/4 or 1/4 or +- ?

                              thank you in advance

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                                #39

                                following this thread loosely.

                                I have the following sensors and they seem to be accurate to some degree:

                                http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DFRobot-Capacitive-Analog-Soil-Moisture-Sensor-3-3-5-5V-Corrosion-Resistant-with-Gravity-3-Pin/32574020064.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.P99ddH&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_1_10037_10017_507_10033_10032_10040,searchweb201603_1&btsid=8d3b5e46-a069-441a-a1f7-491ae7e317e1

                                and they are much easier to work with Arduino compared to Watermark stuff. Anyone agree?

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