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  • rsachocR rsachoc

    OK! Update. All the bits and pieces arrived, so I've built the gateway (MQTT client, as I already had an Openhab Pi 2 running MQTT) - this appears to work fine, I can see it connects to the MQTT gateway via the serial monitor.

    So the next step is getting the SenseBender Micro (with soldered NRF2401 gateway) to connect to the gateway. I initially thought it would "just work" based on what I read, but I understand that this is with either the "standard" ethernet or wireless gateway, as these assign client ID's automatically. So I need to modify the sketch with a fixed client ID and upload it.

    Here's where I'm struggling - I bought an FTDI adaptor, which I thought was 5v and 3.3v, but from what I can see it's 5v. I understand that I therefore need to resolder a little resistor (or something) on the board, but this is so tiny it's beyond my current capability. What other options do I have for getting a new sketch onto the Sensebender?

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    HenryWhite
    wrote on last edited by HenryWhite
    #6

    @rsachoc said:

    Here's where I'm struggling - I bought an FTDI adaptor, which I thought was 5v and 3.3v, but from what I can see it's 5v.

    picture of the adaptor?
    some adapters have a jumper or solder bridge to switch between 5V and 3.3V

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    • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

      @rsachoc said:

      Here's where I'm struggling - I bought an FTDI adaptor, which I thought was 5v and 3.3v, but from what I can see it's 5v.

      picture of the adaptor?
      some adapters have a jumper or solder bridge to switch between 5V and 3.3V

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      rsachoc
      wrote on last edited by rsachoc
      #7

      @HenryWhite definitely a solder bridge, see the picture above (http://i.imgur.com/U9eo7Mc.jpg
      ), that's why I'm not confident I will be able to sucessfully desolder and solder it.

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      • rsachocR rsachoc

        @HenryWhite definitely a solder bridge, see the picture above (http://i.imgur.com/U9eo7Mc.jpg
        ), that's why I'm not confident I will be able to sucessfully desolder and solder it.

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        HenryWhite
        wrote on last edited by HenryWhite
        #8

        @rsachoc Well, you could

        • buy an FTDI adapter with jumper

        • buy a thinner soldering tip if yours is to big (make sure the tips fit to your soldering iron)

        • try to desolder the bridge and solder it to the right place

        • break the bridge with pliers and just solder the lower two solder points together. this would be possible even with a thicker soldering iron.

        If you want to switch continously between 5v and 3.3v, you should consider buying another ftdi adapter with jumper pins (or try to solder 3 pinheaders to the three solder pads)

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        • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

          @rsachoc Well, you could

          • buy an FTDI adapter with jumper

          • buy a thinner soldering tip if yours is to big (make sure the tips fit to your soldering iron)

          • try to desolder the bridge and solder it to the right place

          • break the bridge with pliers and just solder the lower two solder points together. this would be possible even with a thicker soldering iron.

          If you want to switch continously between 5v and 3.3v, you should consider buying another ftdi adapter with jumper pins (or try to solder 3 pinheaders to the three solder pads)

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          wrote on last edited by
          #9

          @HenryWhite thanks! I suspect since I've got nothing to lose the best option is to try and desolder/break the current bridge and try and resolder it. Let me have a go and see what happens.

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            wrote on last edited by rsachoc
            #10

            OK so I managed to desolder the bridge and put a dab of solder between the other 2 pins, so I think I have a 3.3v FTDI adaptor. However, I was reading here and I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

            Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

            edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

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            • rsachocR rsachoc

              OK so I managed to desolder the bridge and put a dab of solder between the other 2 pins, so I think I have a 3.3v FTDI adaptor. However, I was reading here and I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

              Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

              edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

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              mfalkvidd
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              sensebender:
              GND
              GND
              VCC
              RXD
              TXD
              DTR

              FTDI:
              GND
              DTR
              RXI
              TXO
              PWR
              CTS
              GND

              Turn FTDI upside-down:
              GND
              CTS
              PWR
              TXO
              RXI
              DTR
              GND

              now line them up:

              sensebender. FTDI
              GND GND
              GND CTS
              VCC PWR
              RXD TXO
              TXD RXI
              DTR DTR

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              • rsachocR rsachoc

                OK so I managed to desolder the bridge and put a dab of solder between the other 2 pins, so I think I have a 3.3v FTDI adaptor. However, I was reading here and I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

                Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

                edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

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                @rsachoc said:

                I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

                Maybe! But maybe not. :smile: I'm using a FTDI adapter with jumper for my 3.3v/5v pro mini's, and sometimes I forgot to move the jumper to 3V when connecting my 3V pro mini's. Nevertheless, the nrf24l01 "survived" this stupidness every time.

                Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

                edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

                here's how you connect the sensebender to your ftdi:

                --Your_FTDI:Sensebender--
                GND:GND
                CTS:GND
                PWR:VCC
                TXO:RXD
                RXI:TXD
                DTR:DTR

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                  #13

                  Thank you both, I'll get soldering tomorrow - couple more (extremely rookie) questions:

                  1. Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch?
                  2. When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp?
                  3. Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"?
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                  • rsachocR rsachoc

                    Thank you both, I'll get soldering tomorrow - couple more (extremely rookie) questions:

                    1. Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch?
                    2. When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp?
                    3. Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"?
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                    wrote on last edited by
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                    @rsachoc OK answering my own question :) after a bit of experimentation and research

                    Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch? No
                    When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp? Yes
                    Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"? Upload worked for me

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                    • rsachocR rsachoc

                      @rsachoc OK answering my own question :) after a bit of experimentation and research

                      Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch? No
                      When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp? Yes
                      Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"? Upload worked for me

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                      rsachoc
                      wrote on last edited by rsachoc
                      #15

                      An answer, but a new question:

                      I have setup a MQTT gateway (with NRF2401, Arduno nano clone, W5100 ethernet) - using the W5100 MQTT client sketch (from here), changing the necessary. I can see that this successfully boots and connects to my MQTT server (on a Pi 2 with Openhab).

                      0;255;3;0;9;Starting gateway (RNNGA-, 2.0.0-beta)
                      0;255;3;0;9;Radio init successful.
                      0;255;3;0;9;Init complete, id=0, parent=0, distance=0
                      0;255;3;0;9;Attempting MQTT connection...
                      0;255;3;0;9;MQTT connected
                      

                      I've also successfully flashed the Sensebender .ino (from here), only changing the "//#deine MY_NODE_ID 3" to uncomment (and also correcting the spelling error :) )

                      Interestingly (no idea why) before I had loaded the new sketch on the Sensebender, when powering it on via battery I got the LED coming on, now with the new sketch...nothing. I also can't see it connecting to the gateway (should I see something in the serial monitor on the gateway)?

                      Or could I have a fried radio?

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                      • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

                        @rsachoc said:

                        I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

                        Maybe! But maybe not. :smile: I'm using a FTDI adapter with jumper for my 3.3v/5v pro mini's, and sometimes I forgot to move the jumper to 3V when connecting my 3V pro mini's. Nevertheless, the nrf24l01 "survived" this stupidness every time.

                        Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

                        edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

                        here's how you connect the sensebender to your ftdi:

                        --Your_FTDI:Sensebender--
                        GND:GND
                        CTS:GND
                        PWR:VCC
                        TXO:RXD
                        RXI:TXD
                        DTR:DTR

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #16

                        @HenryWhite said:

                        I forgot to move the jumper to 3V when connecting my 3V pro mini's

                        I have found that I can program the 5V Pro Minis with the FTDI adapter set to 3.3V so I newer change this anymore, no risk of braking something that can not handle 5V.

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                          OK, so I had some success with the Sensebender, it works sometimes and not other times. I've tried connected directly to the laptop (via the FTDI, no battery connected) and sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Would this bad soldering?

                          Also, what's the minimum requirements from a voltage perspective? I've got 2 eneloops which delivers around 2.73volts, whereas the laptop measures 3.3v (tested with a voltmeter tester).

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                            #18

                            Below 2.8V won't work with the Atmega328 unless you reconfigure the fuses

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