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  • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

    @rsachoc said:

    Here's where I'm struggling - I bought an FTDI adaptor, which I thought was 5v and 3.3v, but from what I can see it's 5v.

    picture of the adaptor?
    some adapters have a jumper or solder bridge to switch between 5V and 3.3V

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    wrote on last edited by rsachoc
    #7

    @HenryWhite definitely a solder bridge, see the picture above (http://i.imgur.com/U9eo7Mc.jpg
    ), that's why I'm not confident I will be able to sucessfully desolder and solder it.

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    • rsachocR rsachoc

      @HenryWhite definitely a solder bridge, see the picture above (http://i.imgur.com/U9eo7Mc.jpg
      ), that's why I'm not confident I will be able to sucessfully desolder and solder it.

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      HenryWhite
      wrote on last edited by HenryWhite
      #8

      @rsachoc Well, you could

      • buy an FTDI adapter with jumper

      • buy a thinner soldering tip if yours is to big (make sure the tips fit to your soldering iron)

      • try to desolder the bridge and solder it to the right place

      • break the bridge with pliers and just solder the lower two solder points together. this would be possible even with a thicker soldering iron.

      If you want to switch continously between 5v and 3.3v, you should consider buying another ftdi adapter with jumper pins (or try to solder 3 pinheaders to the three solder pads)

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      • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

        @rsachoc Well, you could

        • buy an FTDI adapter with jumper

        • buy a thinner soldering tip if yours is to big (make sure the tips fit to your soldering iron)

        • try to desolder the bridge and solder it to the right place

        • break the bridge with pliers and just solder the lower two solder points together. this would be possible even with a thicker soldering iron.

        If you want to switch continously between 5v and 3.3v, you should consider buying another ftdi adapter with jumper pins (or try to solder 3 pinheaders to the three solder pads)

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        wrote on last edited by
        #9

        @HenryWhite thanks! I suspect since I've got nothing to lose the best option is to try and desolder/break the current bridge and try and resolder it. Let me have a go and see what happens.

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          #10

          OK so I managed to desolder the bridge and put a dab of solder between the other 2 pins, so I think I have a 3.3v FTDI adaptor. However, I was reading here and I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

          Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

          edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

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          • rsachocR rsachoc

            OK so I managed to desolder the bridge and put a dab of solder between the other 2 pins, so I think I have a 3.3v FTDI adaptor. However, I was reading here and I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

            Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

            edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

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            mfalkvidd
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            #11

            sensebender:
            GND
            GND
            VCC
            RXD
            TXD
            DTR

            FTDI:
            GND
            DTR
            RXI
            TXO
            PWR
            CTS
            GND

            Turn FTDI upside-down:
            GND
            CTS
            PWR
            TXO
            RXI
            DTR
            GND

            now line them up:

            sensebender. FTDI
            GND GND
            GND CTS
            VCC PWR
            RXD TXO
            TXD RXI
            DTR DTR

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            • rsachocR rsachoc

              OK so I managed to desolder the bridge and put a dab of solder between the other 2 pins, so I think I have a 3.3v FTDI adaptor. However, I was reading here and I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

              Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

              edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

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              HenryWhite
              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              @rsachoc said:

              I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

              Maybe! But maybe not. :smile: I'm using a FTDI adapter with jumper for my 3.3v/5v pro mini's, and sometimes I forgot to move the jumper to 3V when connecting my 3V pro mini's. Nevertheless, the nrf24l01 "survived" this stupidness every time.

              Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

              edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

              here's how you connect the sensebender to your ftdi:

              --Your_FTDI:Sensebender--
              GND:GND
              CTS:GND
              PWR:VCC
              TXO:RXD
              RXI:TXD
              DTR:DTR

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                rsachoc
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                #13

                Thank you both, I'll get soldering tomorrow - couple more (extremely rookie) questions:

                1. Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch?
                2. When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp?
                3. Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"?
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                • rsachocR rsachoc

                  Thank you both, I'll get soldering tomorrow - couple more (extremely rookie) questions:

                  1. Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch?
                  2. When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp?
                  3. Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"?
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                  #14

                  @rsachoc OK answering my own question :) after a bit of experimentation and research

                  Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch? No
                  When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp? Yes
                  Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"? Upload worked for me

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                  • rsachocR rsachoc

                    @rsachoc OK answering my own question :) after a bit of experimentation and research

                    Do I need to have the Sensebender connected to battery and the FTDI connected to USB at the time I'm uploading the sketch? No
                    When I upload the sketch, do I need to select Board: Sensebender Micro and Programmer: USBAsp? Yes
                    Do I need to "Upload" or "Upload via Programmer"? Upload worked for me

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                    rsachoc
                    wrote on last edited by rsachoc
                    #15

                    An answer, but a new question:

                    I have setup a MQTT gateway (with NRF2401, Arduno nano clone, W5100 ethernet) - using the W5100 MQTT client sketch (from here), changing the necessary. I can see that this successfully boots and connects to my MQTT server (on a Pi 2 with Openhab).

                    0;255;3;0;9;Starting gateway (RNNGA-, 2.0.0-beta)
                    0;255;3;0;9;Radio init successful.
                    0;255;3;0;9;Init complete, id=0, parent=0, distance=0
                    0;255;3;0;9;Attempting MQTT connection...
                    0;255;3;0;9;MQTT connected
                    

                    I've also successfully flashed the Sensebender .ino (from here), only changing the "//#deine MY_NODE_ID 3" to uncomment (and also correcting the spelling error :) )

                    Interestingly (no idea why) before I had loaded the new sketch on the Sensebender, when powering it on via battery I got the LED coming on, now with the new sketch...nothing. I also can't see it connecting to the gateway (should I see something in the serial monitor on the gateway)?

                    Or could I have a fried radio?

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                    • HenryWhiteH HenryWhite

                      @rsachoc said:

                      I think, because I have the NRF2401 connected to my sensebender, that I might have fried it? Thinking 5v would have broken it?

                      Maybe! But maybe not. :smile: I'm using a FTDI adapter with jumper for my 3.3v/5v pro mini's, and sometimes I forgot to move the jumper to 3V when connecting my 3V pro mini's. Nevertheless, the nrf24l01 "survived" this stupidness every time.

                      Also, I'm still confused as to how I connect the FTDI adaptor to the sensebender. mfalkvidd mentioned that I need to go "Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, RxD to TxD and TxD to RxD", howeverthe sensbender pins don't seem to line up this way?

                      edit just to be clear, the sensebender goes GND GND VCC RXD TXD DTR while the FTDI goes GND DTR RXI TXO PWR CTS GND, so I'm confused how the pins line up, if that makes any sense?

                      here's how you connect the sensebender to your ftdi:

                      --Your_FTDI:Sensebender--
                      GND:GND
                      CTS:GND
                      PWR:VCC
                      TXO:RXD
                      RXI:TXD
                      DTR:DTR

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      @HenryWhite said:

                      I forgot to move the jumper to 3V when connecting my 3V pro mini's

                      I have found that I can program the 5V Pro Minis with the FTDI adapter set to 3.3V so I newer change this anymore, no risk of braking something that can not handle 5V.

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                        rsachoc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #17

                        OK, so I had some success with the Sensebender, it works sometimes and not other times. I've tried connected directly to the laptop (via the FTDI, no battery connected) and sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Would this bad soldering?

                        Also, what's the minimum requirements from a voltage perspective? I've got 2 eneloops which delivers around 2.73volts, whereas the laptop measures 3.3v (tested with a voltmeter tester).

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                          #18

                          Below 2.8V won't work with the Atmega328 unless you reconfigure the fuses

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