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    bjacobse
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    #365

    Read the spec for the humidity sensor used in the sensebender (Si7021 integrated humidity / temperature sensor.)
    Precision Relative Humidity Sensor: ± 3% RH (max), 0–80% RH
    To my reading this is actually 6% wrong reading to one of the sides - so when you are measuring yours to be 8% off, is caused that you are using the device outside of humidity range 100% and max is 80%

    Link to spec:
    https://www.silabs.com/Support Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si7021-A20.pdf

    What I want you to know, if your device is reading within 6 % of the value - it's still reading correct. and when you compare ex DHT22 that device also have some reading variation error. Do not expect to get 100% perfect value for 2 devices...

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      #366

      @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

      Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

      And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

      Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

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        @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

        Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

        And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

        Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

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        @nivoc said:

        @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

        Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

        And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

        Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

        I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
        i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

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          @nivoc said:

          @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

          Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

          And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

          Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

          I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
          i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

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          bjacobse
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          @mvader
          Spec is: High Accuracy Temperature Sensor ±0.4 °C (max), –10 to 85 °C
          So the temp accuracy is quite good

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            @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

            Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

            And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

            Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

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            @nivoc
            Yes you are right, +-3 from your humidity solution on 33%, then the reading could be in the interval 33-3=30% or up to 33+3=36% and should not show 40%

            did you get same false readings from other sensebender humidity sensors?

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              @nivoc
              Yes you are right, +-3 from your humidity solution on 33%, then the reading could be in the interval 33-3=30% or up to 33+3=36% and should not show 40%

              did you get same false readings from other sensebender humidity sensors?

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              @bjacobse Yes I have 3 sensbener running from 2 different orders. All 3 are very near by each other. So at 33% they all read something near to 40%.

              I have 4 more sensbenders to build. However I continue to test tonight with a Boveda-Pack that claims to bring the hum in a containter to exactly 69%. I did 4 test's so far and also used different technics. So i get more and more confident.

              But the very good thing is - it looks every reproducible. So the value may be off but reproducable accurate off by about 8%. When I completed my test it will be very easy to correct it within the software.

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                @nivoc said:

                @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

                Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

                And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

                Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

                I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
                i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

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                @mvader I haven't made any very accurate temp testings. But the readings are exactly the same than other non-sensbender devices in my home. I started researching the humidity b/c I had different readings between different devices.

                Temp looks fine to me.

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                  What is the current consumption of the Sensebender during sleep and active modes?

                  Thanks,
                  Tony

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                    @tcontrada

                    there are some measurements in the old design thread here http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/510/minimal-design-thoughts

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                      nikos1671
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                      Hi. What case you all using for the sensebender ?Any good idea.

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                          @filipq

                          Where did you find that box?

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                            @tbowmo

                            Got it from http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/57932-evatron-pp42m-case-sensor-ivory-71x71x27mm.html.
                            Not the cheapest, but definitely worth the money as it is very good quality. There are other colours available (white and black) https://www.jprelec.co.uk/store.asp/c=552/Gas-Sensor-Case

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                              @tbowmo: I have some of these too, it's nice box. i got these from tme. cheaper :)
                              http://www.tme.eu/fr/details/box-sens-white/boitiers-dappar-dalarme-et-de-capt/supertronic/

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                                ahmedadelhosni
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                                Hello @tbowmo

                                Doesn't the atmega328 has only 2 pins which are D2 and D3 from external interrupts ?
                                I am wondering why do we waste the usage of D2 since the IRQ pin is not used in the library ?

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                                  Hello @tbowmo

                                  Doesn't the atmega328 has only 2 pins which are D2 and D3 from external interrupts ?
                                  I am wondering why do we waste the usage of D2 since the IRQ pin is not used in the library ?

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                                  @ahmedadelhosni because it is not in use by the library <yet>. Would be a shame if the library some day gets updated with support for a radio that can enter low power sleep and still wake when needed.

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                                    tbowmo
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                                    @ahmedadelhosni

                                    What @Anticimex said.. And at the time when I created the sensebender, I didn't know that the interrupt wasn't used (I was relatively new to the project) so I thought that we had to have it connected..

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                                      hek
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                                      It is used by the RF69, right @tbowmo? (when using adapter plate...)

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                                        @ahmedadelhosni because it is not in use by the library <yet>. Would be a shame if the library some day gets updated with support for a radio that can enter low power sleep and still wake when needed.

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                                        @Anticimex @tbowmo This a valid point which I thought of but I needed two interrupt pins. As far as I knew from fast searching is that external interrupts which react to CHANGE in pin state are only valid for pins 2 and 3. Correct ?
                                        Maybe there is another solution which I missed.

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                                          tbowmo
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                                          @hek

                                          Yes, that's right, RFM69 is using interrupts.. (and rfm69 is possible on the sensebender using for example this pcb)

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