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  • sundberg84S sundberg84

    @Tigroenot said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

    Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline?

    It should - and I think the limit (was before atleast) is 6 failed messages and the it should search a new way/route.

    It looks like it does try to find a new way (2-2-255 instead of 2-2-10) but doesnt get a reply. Maybe the routing table in the GW still is going trhough the repeater?

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    @sundberg84 said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

    @Tigroenot said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

    Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline?

    It should - and I think the limit (was before atleast) is 6 failed messages and the it should search a new way/route.

    It looks like it does try to find a new way (2-2-255 instead of 2-2-10) but doesnt get a reply. Maybe the routing table in the GW still is going trhough the repeater?

    The repeater is fisically off. I can see the routing table through the MYSController. Tried to clear it - doesn't seem to work.

    Here is another attempt. I downloaded the latest stable 2.1.1 and here is the output:

    0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
    4 TSM:INIT
    4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
    12 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
    14 TSF:SID:OK,ID=2
    16 TSM:FPAR
    16 TSM:FPAR:STATP=0
    18 TSM:ID
    20 TSM:ID:OK
    20 TSM:UPL
    59 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:1
    2066 TSM:UPL
    2103 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:1
    4112 TSM:UPL
    4149 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=2,st=NACK:1
    6158 TSM:UPL
    6195 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=3,st=NACK:1
    8204 !TSM:UPL:FAIL
    
    475289 TSM:FPAR
    475291 TSM:FPAR:STATP=0
    475293 TSM:ID
    475295 TSM:ID:OK
    475297 TSM:UPL
    475334 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=8,st=NACK:1
    475770 TSF:MSG:READ,12-12-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    475779 TSF:MSG:BC
    477343 TSM:UPL
    477380 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=9,st=NACK:1
    477872 TSF:MSG:READ,12-12-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    477878 TSF:MSG:BC
    479389 TSM:UPL
    479426 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=10,st=NACK:1
    479977 TSF:MSG:READ,12-12-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
    479983 TSF:MSG:BC
    481435 TSM:UPL
    481472 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=11,st=NACK:1
    483481 !TSM:UPL:FAIL```
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    • TigroenotT Offline
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      wrote on last edited by
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        #9

        If you bring the node closer to the gateway? Maybe it is not able to reach it without the repeater

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        • TigroenotT Tigroenot

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          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          @Tigroenot it looks like you have alot of :NACK which means you have a range problem (or power) and the node with ID 2 does not get a reply (ack) from the GW. Still my last question - even if you clear the routing table/eeprom in the node it might that it takes a while for th gw to update its routing table? Im not sure how this works "behind the scenes" since im not of a coding guy,

          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            #11

            The range is not the issue because I tried to move it closer to the gateway, but untill I power on the repeater node it didn't work.

            I sent C_INTERNAL, I_DEBUG, E to node 10, is has reset it's ID and became no 11, and after that nodes 2 and 12 starter to work through node 11. Damn it. I reset the ID of node 2, it became node 8 and continued to work through node 11. Sh*t!
            Now I've got two nodes that just want that bloody repeater node 11 and don't want to deal with the filthy gateway :)

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              #12

              Did you restarted the gateway so that all nodes presented again? It is actually kind of weird since quite some people had issues about the nodes trying to connect to low signal gateway even if repeater had better signal.

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              • gohanG gohan

                Did you restarted the gateway so that all nodes presented again? It is actually kind of weird since quite some people had issues about the nodes trying to connect to low signal gateway even if repeater had better signal.

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                wrote on last edited by Tigroenot
                #13

                @gohan said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

                Did you restarted the gateway so that all nodes presented again? It is actually kind of weird since quite some people had issues about the nodes trying to connect to low signal gateway even if repeater had better signal.

                Not only have I restarted the gateway, I have reinstalled it, now it's latest development branch.
                Now I have built one more node, burned the same 1.3 MYSBootloader, and it doesn't show up on the network at all. Static parent ID and set node ID don't do a thing.

                314689 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                316700 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
                316702 TSM:FPAR
                

                The gateway works normally, it gets the data from similar nodes that are further that this new one... I'm very confused...

                Maybe it's somethig to do with the nrf chanels? MYSBootloader? All my nodes are the same...

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  NRF channels can be manually defined if you want to try (default channel is something like 76, I set it to 10 to move it away from wifi frequencies), but if you change the values in the MyConfig.h file you will get the same settings an all builds (just remember it will get overwritten if you up\downgrade the library. I am taking for granted you have capacitors on the radio vcc, right? Did you try to swap radios around, just to see if anything happens?

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                    Well, what I did is swaped the radio on the gateway, added capacitors (10-200uf), swaped the nrf chip on the nodes (nrf+ and nrf), added 1M resistor to the node for radio back compatibility, moved nodes closer to the gateway and further from it, flashed the repeater node (now it's node 10 again) with repeater function disabled.

                    In the end, I've got three new nodes that talk to controller ONLY through repeater node (the repeater node is further from the gateway then the new nodes). Clearing the routing table on the repeater node doesn't help, erasing eeprom of the repeater node makes it change the node ID and after restarting the other nodes they bind to the repeater again.
                    Strange thing is that the node 10 is with MYSBootloader (which has nrf chanel 76 set) and it talks straight to the gateway. The nodes (8,12,13) have the same bootloader and nrf chanel set to 76 and are not recognised by the gateway as soon as there is no repeater node 10.

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      I am out of options.... I am calling for @hek help :D

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #17

                        Try setting

                        #define MY_RF24_PA_LEVEL RF24_PA_LOW

                        on the gateway

                        The gateway might be SCREAMING so high that the node doesn't pick up the answer.

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