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  • TigroenotT Tigroenot

    Hello everybody!

    Please, I need an inspiration!
    I've got several nodes around my appartment: three temp/humidity sensors, double relay, door.
    I have built another relay node to hack my ikea floor lamp. It's working fine, and it has a default repeater feature. Now I have built another door sensor. It is a MySensors Stable node with MYS 1.3 bootloader. It's working through the node 10 (floor lamp). When I turn the lamp off to get rid of the repeater node the new door sensor (node 2) stops working. If I reboot it manually it doesn't find parent (I want it to be the gateway). I tried to assign manual parent ID 0 but it doesn't help.
    How do I make it work without the repeater? I want it to work in another room.

    P.S. I tried to clear eeprom, then flash the firmware, assign parent ID manually, rebooting it without repeater turned on, rebooted it near another repeater (double relay). Oh, I forgot to tell, the gateway is closer to the node then the repeater node 10.

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    sundberg84
    Hardware Contributor
    wrote on last edited by
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    @Tigroenot - sounds like the right steps... strange.
    Any code or serial output from the node so we can see what happens when it boots?

    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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    • sundberg84S sundberg84

      @Tigroenot - sounds like the right steps... strange.
      Any code or serial output from the node so we can see what happens when it boots?

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      @sundberg84 thanks for quick response.
      Here is the serial output of the node when the repeater node 10 is on:

      0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.0-beta
      4 TSM:INIT
      4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
      12 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
      14 TSF:SID:OK,ID=2
      16 TSM:FPAR
      53 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
      1507 TSF:MSG:READ,10-10-2,s=255,c=3,t=8,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
      1513 TSF:MSG:FPAR OK,ID=10,D=2
      2060 TSM:FPAR:OK
      2060 TSM:ID
      2062 TSM:ID:OK
      2064 TSM:UPL
      2068 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:1
      2125 TSF:MSG:READ,0-10-2,s=255,c=3,t=25,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:2
      2131 TSF:MSG:PONG RECV,HP=2
      2136 TSM:UPL:OK
      2136 TSM:READY:ID=2,PAR=10,DIS=2
      2142 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:0100
      2191 TSF:MSG:READ,0-10-2,s=255,c=3,t=15,pt=6,l=2,sg=0:0100
      2199 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=0,t=17,pt=0,l=10,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:2.1.0-beta
      2209 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:10
      2342 TSF:MSG:READ,0-10-2,s=255,c=3,t=6,pt=0,l=1,sg=0:M
      2351 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=11,pt=0,l=13,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:Binary Sensor
      2361 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=12,pt=0,l=3,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:1.1
      2371 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=3,c=0,t=0,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
      2377 MCO:REG:REQ
      2396 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=26,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:2
      2500 TSF:MSG:READ,0-10-2,s=255,c=3,t=27,pt=1,l=1,sg=0:1
      2506 MCO:PIM:NODE REG=1
      2508 MCO:BGN:STP
      2510 MCO:BGN:INIT OK,TSP=1
      2514 MCO:SLP:MS=5,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
      2519 MCO:SLP:TPD
      2521 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
      2525 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=3,c=1,t=16,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:1
      2533 MCO:SLP:MS=5,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
      2539 MCO:SLP:TPD
      2539 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
      2545 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-10-0,s=255,c=3,t=0,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:100
      2553 MCO:SLP:MS=0,SMS=0,I1=1,M1=1,I2=255,M2=255
      2557 MCO:SLP:TPD
      2560 MCO:SLP:WUP=1
      2562 MCO:SLP:MS=5,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
      2568 MCO:SLP:TPD
      2570 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
      2572 MCO:SLP:MS=5,SMS=0,I1=255,M1=255,I2=255,M2=255
      2578 MCO:SLP:TPD
      2578 MCO:SLP:WUP=-1
      2582 MCO:SLP:MS=0,SMS=0,I1=1,M1=1,I2=255,M2=255
      2586 MCO:SLP:TPD```
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      • sundberg84S sundberg84

        @Tigroenot - sounds like the right steps... strange.
        Any code or serial output from the node so we can see what happens when it boots?

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        wrote on last edited by
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        @sundberg84 Adn here is the serial output of the node 2 when the repeater node 10 is off:

        Here is the serial output of the node 2 when the repeater node 10 is off:

        0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.0-beta
        4 TSM:INIT
        4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
        12 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
        14 TSF:SID:OK,ID=2
        16 TSM:FPAR
        53 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        2060 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        2062 TSM:FPAR
        2099 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        4108 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        4110 TSM:FPAR
        4147 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        6156 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        6158 TSM:FPAR
        6195 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        8204 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
        8206 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
        8208 TSM:FAIL:PDT
        18212 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT
        18214 TSM:INIT
        18221 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
        18225 TSF:SID:OK,ID=2
        18227 TSM:FPAR
        18264 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        20273 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        20275 TSM:FPAR
        20312 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        22321 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        22323 TSM:FPAR
        22360 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        24369 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
        24371 TSM:FPAR
        24408 TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
        26417 !TSM:FPAR:FAIL
        26419 TSM:FAIL:CNT=2
        26421 TSM:FAIL:PDT
        36425 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT```
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          wrote on last edited by Tigroenot
          #5

          Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline? Shouldn't the gateway reply to FPAR request? The range is really not the issue because I've got a PA+LNA nrf module on the gateway, and it is 4 meters away from the node 2.
          Maybe I should move to the stable branch? :)

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          • TigroenotT Tigroenot

            Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline? Shouldn't the gateway reply to FPAR request? The range is really not the issue because I've got a PA+LNA nrf module on the gateway, and it is 4 meters away from the node 2.
            Maybe I should move to the stable branch? :)

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            wrote on last edited by
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            @Tigroenot said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

            Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline?

            It should - and I think the limit (was before atleast) is 6 failed messages and the it should search a new way/route.

            It looks like it does try to find a new way (2-2-255 instead of 2-2-10) but doesnt get a reply. Maybe the routing table in the GW still is going trhough the repeater?

            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            • sundberg84S sundberg84

              @Tigroenot said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

              Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline?

              It should - and I think the limit (was before atleast) is 6 failed messages and the it should search a new way/route.

              It looks like it does try to find a new way (2-2-255 instead of 2-2-10) but doesnt get a reply. Maybe the routing table in the GW still is going trhough the repeater?

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              wrote on last edited by Tigroenot
              #7

              @sundberg84 said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

              @Tigroenot said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

              Please, explain it to me, shouldn't the node find another parent if the repeater is offline?

              It should - and I think the limit (was before atleast) is 6 failed messages and the it should search a new way/route.

              It looks like it does try to find a new way (2-2-255 instead of 2-2-10) but doesnt get a reply. Maybe the routing table in the GW still is going trhough the repeater?

              The repeater is fisically off. I can see the routing table through the MYSController. Tried to clear it - doesn't seem to work.

              Here is another attempt. I downloaded the latest stable 2.1.1 and here is the output:

              0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
              4 TSM:INIT
              4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
              12 TSM:INIT:TSP OK
              14 TSF:SID:OK,ID=2
              16 TSM:FPAR
              16 TSM:FPAR:STATP=0
              18 TSM:ID
              20 TSM:ID:OK
              20 TSM:UPL
              59 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=0,st=NACK:1
              2066 TSM:UPL
              2103 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=1,st=NACK:1
              4112 TSM:UPL
              4149 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=2,st=NACK:1
              6158 TSM:UPL
              6195 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=3,st=NACK:1
              8204 !TSM:UPL:FAIL
              
              475289 TSM:FPAR
              475291 TSM:FPAR:STATP=0
              475293 TSM:ID
              475295 TSM:ID:OK
              475297 TSM:UPL
              475334 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=8,st=NACK:1
              475770 TSF:MSG:READ,12-12-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
              475779 TSF:MSG:BC
              477343 TSM:UPL
              477380 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=9,st=NACK:1
              477872 TSF:MSG:READ,12-12-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
              477878 TSF:MSG:BC
              479389 TSM:UPL
              479426 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=10,st=NACK:1
              479977 TSF:MSG:READ,12-12-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0:
              479983 TSF:MSG:BC
              481435 TSM:UPL
              481472 !TSF:MSG:SEND,2-2-0-0,s=255,c=3,t=24,pt=1,l=1,sg=0,ft=11,st=NACK:1
              483481 !TSM:UPL:FAIL```
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                  If you bring the node closer to the gateway? Maybe it is not able to reach it without the repeater

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    @Tigroenot it looks like you have alot of :NACK which means you have a range problem (or power) and the node with ID 2 does not get a reply (ack) from the GW. Still my last question - even if you clear the routing table/eeprom in the node it might that it takes a while for th gw to update its routing table? Im not sure how this works "behind the scenes" since im not of a coding guy,

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      The range is not the issue because I tried to move it closer to the gateway, but untill I power on the repeater node it didn't work.

                      I sent C_INTERNAL, I_DEBUG, E to node 10, is has reset it's ID and became no 11, and after that nodes 2 and 12 starter to work through node 11. Damn it. I reset the ID of node 2, it became node 8 and continued to work through node 11. Sh*t!
                      Now I've got two nodes that just want that bloody repeater node 11 and don't want to deal with the filthy gateway :)

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                        Did you restarted the gateway so that all nodes presented again? It is actually kind of weird since quite some people had issues about the nodes trying to connect to low signal gateway even if repeater had better signal.

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                        • gohanG gohan

                          Did you restarted the gateway so that all nodes presented again? It is actually kind of weird since quite some people had issues about the nodes trying to connect to low signal gateway even if repeater had better signal.

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                          wrote on last edited by Tigroenot
                          #13

                          @gohan said in Node doesn't work without repeater:

                          Did you restarted the gateway so that all nodes presented again? It is actually kind of weird since quite some people had issues about the nodes trying to connect to low signal gateway even if repeater had better signal.

                          Not only have I restarted the gateway, I have reinstalled it, now it's latest development branch.
                          Now I have built one more node, burned the same 1.3 MYSBootloader, and it doesn't show up on the network at all. Static parent ID and set node ID don't do a thing.

                          314689 TSF:MSG:SEND,255-255-255-255,s=255,c=3,t=7,pt=0,l=0,sg=0,ft=0,st=OK:
                          316700 !TSM:FPAR:NO REPLY
                          316702 TSM:FPAR
                          

                          The gateway works normally, it gets the data from similar nodes that are further that this new one... I'm very confused...

                          Maybe it's somethig to do with the nrf chanels? MYSBootloader? All my nodes are the same...

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                            NRF channels can be manually defined if you want to try (default channel is something like 76, I set it to 10 to move it away from wifi frequencies), but if you change the values in the MyConfig.h file you will get the same settings an all builds (just remember it will get overwritten if you up\downgrade the library. I am taking for granted you have capacitors on the radio vcc, right? Did you try to swap radios around, just to see if anything happens?

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                              Well, what I did is swaped the radio on the gateway, added capacitors (10-200uf), swaped the nrf chip on the nodes (nrf+ and nrf), added 1M resistor to the node for radio back compatibility, moved nodes closer to the gateway and further from it, flashed the repeater node (now it's node 10 again) with repeater function disabled.

                              In the end, I've got three new nodes that talk to controller ONLY through repeater node (the repeater node is further from the gateway then the new nodes). Clearing the routing table on the repeater node doesn't help, erasing eeprom of the repeater node makes it change the node ID and after restarting the other nodes they bind to the repeater again.
                              Strange thing is that the node 10 is with MYSBootloader (which has nrf chanel 76 set) and it talks straight to the gateway. The nodes (8,12,13) have the same bootloader and nrf chanel set to 76 and are not recognised by the gateway as soon as there is no repeater node 10.

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                                I am out of options.... I am calling for @hek help :D

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                                  Try setting

                                  #define MY_RF24_PA_LEVEL RF24_PA_LOW

                                  on the gateway

                                  The gateway might be SCREAMING so high that the node doesn't pick up the answer.

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