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Video How To: Battery Powered Chair Occupancy (Contact) Sensor

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  • N Nca78

    Thank a lot for the idea and for the video explaining the implementation.

    Did you check the power consumption when you don't send battery life at regular intervals ? If you set the wake up only on interrupt then current in sleep mode goes from 5-6uA to 2 when contact is opened. It's so low that you don't really need regular reporting of battery life. I do that and report battery life only on opening/closing of doors/windows and my battery life is great even on chinese CR2032 cells (still over 85% on my entrance door).
    I guess it would drop to 5-6µA when sensor is connected ?

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    @Nca78 Wow, cool. I never got readings down to 2uA. Maybe my multimeter isn't very good or something else...? The main reason I regularly report the battery is to provide a heartbeat as well as reset the sensor if for some reason it could not communicate with the gateway the first time.

    Edit: I just re-read your post. I now see that you were saying I could save those additional uA by not using the sleep. That is a good idea. I'm still a little torn on the idea because I like the assurance of the heartbeat. I'll have to think about it. Thanks for sharing though!

    My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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      That doesn't work to me! :( I am using an arduino clone. I don't Know if that is the problem.

      When I use your sketch (an others from Mysensors) my Arduino usage is 30mA, seems like the sleep method doesn't work rigth.

      I test with a liltle example from rocketscream/Low-Power and then my Arduino usage is 16uA. Anyone know where the problem may be?

      Thanks

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      • JicJ Jic

        That doesn't work to me! :( I am using an arduino clone. I don't Know if that is the problem.

        When I use your sketch (an others from Mysensors) my Arduino usage is 30mA, seems like the sleep method doesn't work rigth.

        I test with a liltle example from rocketscream/Low-Power and then my Arduino usage is 16uA. Anyone know where the problem may be?

        Thanks

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        sundberg84
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        @Jic did you remove the led and voltage regulator?

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        • S sundberg84

          @Jic did you remove the led and voltage regulator?

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          @sundberg84

          Yes, I have removed both

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          • JicJ Jic

            That doesn't work to me! :( I am using an arduino clone. I don't Know if that is the problem.

            When I use your sketch (an others from Mysensors) my Arduino usage is 30mA, seems like the sleep method doesn't work rigth.

            I test with a liltle example from rocketscream/Low-Power and then my Arduino usage is 16uA. Anyone know where the problem may be?

            Thanks

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            @Jic 30mA is way too high even for an unmodified Arduino that is fully awake. There must be something wrong with the Arduino or the measurement.

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            • JicJ Jic

              @sundberg84

              Yes, I have removed both

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              @Jic - you should see in the serial debug if the node is sleeping or not. I have heard there might be a problem with sleep in som recent version. Maybe you investigate this and if nessecaru upgrade to development branch.

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              • JicJ Jic

                That doesn't work to me! :( I am using an arduino clone. I don't Know if that is the problem.

                When I use your sketch (an others from Mysensors) my Arduino usage is 30mA, seems like the sleep method doesn't work rigth.

                I test with a liltle example from rocketscream/Low-Power and then my Arduino usage is 16uA. Anyone know where the problem may be?

                Thanks

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                @Jic In addition to the great suggestions above also try to disconnect all the sensors and measure again. I had two bad radios that were using way too much power. Bad clones I guess.

                My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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                  Thanks for sharing this awesome project...

                  I want to install all my windows with reed sensors powered by 2AA alcaline batteries and would like they last more than 5 years... and I think your project fits perfectly
                  How long do those used batteries last?

                  Did you implement what @Nca78 suggested?

                  I have already cut LED and Power Regulator from Arduino Pro Mini 3.3v and will change bootloader.
                  Have you choosen the best (lowest power consumption) bootloader to use?

                  I would try the MYSBootloader_1MHz.hex from MySensors GitHub.
                  Would the optiboot_atmega328_01M_009600_NOLED from GertSanders better for low power?

                  Thanks for the help...

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                  • OliverDogO OliverDog

                    Thanks for sharing this awesome project...

                    I want to install all my windows with reed sensors powered by 2AA alcaline batteries and would like they last more than 5 years... and I think your project fits perfectly
                    How long do those used batteries last?

                    Did you implement what @Nca78 suggested?

                    I have already cut LED and Power Regulator from Arduino Pro Mini 3.3v and will change bootloader.
                    Have you choosen the best (lowest power consumption) bootloader to use?

                    I would try the MYSBootloader_1MHz.hex from MySensors GitHub.
                    Would the optiboot_atmega328_01M_009600_NOLED from GertSanders better for low power?

                    Thanks for the help...

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                    @OliverDog if you are using 2xAA then 6uA in sleep mode is fine for a few decades.
                    You can estimate battery life there, if you don't spend your time jumping on your chair it should last the 5 years easily ;)
                    http://oregonembedded.com/batterycalc.htm

                    For the bootloaders battery life won't be different, any bootloader using internal oscillator at 1MHz is fine.

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                      Great!!! Got it working, but can't measure the consumption...
                      My multimeter shows always 000.
                      The sensors is working fine and reporting properly while connected to multimeter, but always 0 current...
                      Tried 200u, 2000u, 20m and 200m, always reporting zero... Is is that low?

                      Did I connect something wrong??? (multimeter in series with positive battery pole and circuit line in (Radio+APM+1M ResistorPin3)
                      Or is my aliexpress multimeter that bad???

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                      • OliverDogO OliverDog

                        Great!!! Got it working, but can't measure the consumption...
                        My multimeter shows always 000.
                        The sensors is working fine and reporting properly while connected to multimeter, but always 0 current...
                        Tried 200u, 2000u, 20m and 200m, always reporting zero... Is is that low?

                        Did I connect something wrong??? (multimeter in series with positive battery pole and circuit line in (Radio+APM+1M ResistorPin3)
                        Or is my aliexpress multimeter that bad???

                        0_1502410544175_20170810_210709.jpg

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                        #18

                        Clean desk you have here @OliverDog this would make my wife dream :D

                        For the multimeter, no idea. At 200u it should see something, maybe your red wire is in the wrong plug of the multimeter ? Usually it's a different plug for voltage and for current but you can have a different plug for high current (A) and low current (mA) too...

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                          I had just cleaned it!!! My wife gave up caring about this desk...:smirk:

                          I found my multimeter fuse was burned... so I wired its base poles and now I can measure:

                          Sleeping + Reed Disconnected - most time 6 uA
                          Sleeping + Reed Connected - most time 9 uA
                          When sending new status to gateway - 25 - 230 uA (around 140 uA most times)
                          Sending time was less than 1 second.

                          2 AA will give me 29 years (battery certainly will die first)
                          2 AAA - 12 years.
                          1 CR2032 - 2,5 years.

                          Thanks for the help...

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                            Nca78
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                            @OliverDog when sending to gateway you cannot trust your multimeter. It's probably around 15mA but only during a fraction of a second, and what you read is some kind of average between that and the very low power consumption in sleep mode.

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