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230V power supply to Arduino

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  • H Hausner

    I have with succes used these:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Travel-Convenient-EU-Plug-Wall-USB-Charger-Adapter-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-S4-S3-Note-3/32220133044.html

    They are really easy to dismatle, and the result is this - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ep43uyve5v0msv6/20141206_214210.jpg?dl=0

    At $1.10 I didn't even think about making my own PSU :)

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    @Hausner said:

    I have with succes used these:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Travel-Convenient-EU-Plug-Wall-USB-Charger-Adapter-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-S4-S3-Note-3/32220133044.html

    They are really easy to dismatle, and the result is this - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ep43uyve5v0msv6/20141206_214210.jpg?dl=0

    At $1.10 I didn't even think about making my own PSU :)

    Yes, that is an option. I did it with one and it was pretty easy.

    Also found this https://github.com/openhardwarelabs/arduino-power-supply and I like some parts being isolated/encapsulated .

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openhardwarelabs/arduino-power-supply/master/pictures/IMG_8030.jpg

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    • jocke4uJ jocke4u

      @Hausner said:

      I have with succes used these:

      http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Travel-Convenient-EU-Plug-Wall-USB-Charger-Adapter-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-S4-S3-Note-3/32220133044.html

      They are really easy to dismatle, and the result is this - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ep43uyve5v0msv6/20141206_214210.jpg?dl=0

      At $1.10 I didn't even think about making my own PSU :)

      Yes, that is an option. I did it with one and it was pretty easy.

      Also found this https://github.com/openhardwarelabs/arduino-power-supply and I like some parts being isolated/encapsulated .

      https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openhardwarelabs/arduino-power-supply/master/pictures/IMG_8030.jpg

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      @jocke4u said:

      Also found this https://github.com/openhardwarelabs/arduino-power-supply and I like some parts being isolated/encapsulated .

      myrra also provides regulated modules without need of external regulator
      for example this one http://ru.farnell.com/myrra/47121/power-supply-3-3v-2-5w/dp/1825772

      sense and drive

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        What kind of protections are embedded?

        RJ_Make

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          Never mind...
          http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/606238.pdf

          RJ_Make

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            SR036/SR037 are discontinued products.
            Take a look at supertex (microchip) SR086 (Fixed 3.3V) or SR087 (Fixed 5V) or SR10 instead.

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              thanks for the reference. interesting chip even it requires more external parts than sr036/037
              sr036 is still possible to purchase from China
              sr086 is available only in brand stores like farnel

              sense and drive

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                Here i found a size example of that chips:
                power supply

                SR086, SR087 and SR10 you can get at ali too.

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                  very cool picture! easy to imagine
                  SR10 the most interesting for low power
                  do you have any links to aliexpress?
                  I'm not able to find any new chips

                  sense and drive

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                    Hi, sorry not available at aliexpress anymore, maybe it was just temporary.
                    But the SR10 (fqn is SR10LG-G) is available at RS-Components and Alibaba.

                    Powering the mcu and some peripherals is ok, but do you know the maximum burst time of the NRF24l01 when sending? As all of the chips are limited in current by a few mA, i'm not shure if it will work reliable. I know that big capacitors can fix such issues, but is it sufficient?

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                      All is fine) I found them at local seller
                      Will be cool to try

                      NRF24L01 + MCU needs 15mA
                      If you have other things to connect you need to count them too
                      for example SSR needs at least +10mA

                      I'm currently looking for a small supply for the wall switch build based on arduino.
                      So, I will need 15 + 10 = 25mA. Both SR086 and SR10LG can be sufficient,
                      SR10LG datasheet has very clear table - power ability is very depends on input capacitor.
                      25mA should be not a problem. For 240V you need 0.68uF with full rectifier schema
                      For 120V you will need at minimum 1uF with full rectifier schema

                      sense and drive

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                      • H Hausner

                        I have with succes used these:

                        http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Travel-Convenient-EU-Plug-Wall-USB-Charger-Adapter-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-S4-S3-Note-3/32220133044.html

                        They are really easy to dismatle, and the result is this - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ep43uyve5v0msv6/20141206_214210.jpg?dl=0

                        At $1.10 I didn't even think about making my own PSU :)

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                        @Hausner said:

                        I have with succes used these:

                        http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Travel-Convenient-EU-Plug-Wall-USB-Charger-Adapter-For-Samsung-Galaxy-S5-S4-S3-Note-3/32220133044.html

                        They are really easy to dismatle, and the result is this - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ep43uyve5v0msv6/20141206_214210.jpg?dl=0

                        At $1.10 I didn't even think about making my own PSU :)

                        Just got it today and made some tests. Price is cool, but I will not recommend to use this for loads higher than 500mA and also will not recommend to supply arduino without an additional 1000uF capacitor. It is a conclusion from the measurement:

                        • without load 5.34V output with 440mV pulsation, 0.1W consuption
                        • 10 Om load gives 470mA current 4.74V output with 440mV pulsation, 3.5W consuption
                        • 5 Om load gives 848mA current 4.43V output with 520mV pulsation, 6W consuption
                        • 3.33 Om load gives 1.06mA current 4.07V output with 880mV pulsation, 7.4W consuption

                        sense and drive

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                          @axillent

                          What if you place a 3v3 ldo at the 5V output, what is the ripple then, at the different loads?

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                            @axillent

                            What if you place a 3v3 ldo at the 5V output, what is the ripple then, at the different loads?

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                            @tbowmo said:

                            What if you place a 3v3 ldo at the 5V output, what is the ripple then, at the different loads?

                            with good ldo supported by sufficient capacitors it can be fine for arduino
                            but still I will not recommend to go above 500mA with this supply

                            sense and drive

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                              @axillent

                              500mA should also be sufficient for a sensor node, even with a couple of relays, mysensors in GW mode, etc. it's not even near the 500mA limit

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                                sure. sensornode without relays requires 15-20mA
                                with SSR relay will need +10-15mA for each relay
                                +50-100mA for each regular relay

                                sense and drive

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                                  Hello, I'm also searching a way to get 5V from AC to make a beatiful mysensor wallPlug... I'm searching the smallest and cheapest way to do it. My problem is I want to drive a regular relay (a SSR is not very good for plug and other things no?), an atmega328 tqfp, a NRF24 and some other things like a current sensor,... so, I think I need 150ma +-? (100ma for the relay, max 25-30ma for the NRF and arduino and some ma for the status leds,...)

                                  I found here the SR086 but I don't know if I could take 150ma on it.
                                  What is the best way for my projet?

                                  I also found these one but don't know if it ok too :
                                  http://www.newark.com/vigortronix/vtx-214-001-105/ac-dc-conv-fixed-1-o-p-1w-5v/dp/45X5484?ost=VTX-214-001-105

                                  I'm searchin the smallest way because i also would like to make a in wall module for interuptor,... so the VTX above is ok for a wallplug but a bit big for a in wall module... How the cubino for exemple make a DC module so small?

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                                  • T Tibus

                                    Hello, I'm also searching a way to get 5V from AC to make a beatiful mysensor wallPlug... I'm searching the smallest and cheapest way to do it. My problem is I want to drive a regular relay (a SSR is not very good for plug and other things no?), an atmega328 tqfp, a NRF24 and some other things like a current sensor,... so, I think I need 150ma +-? (100ma for the relay, max 25-30ma for the NRF and arduino and some ma for the status leds,...)

                                    I found here the SR086 but I don't know if I could take 150ma on it.
                                    What is the best way for my projet?

                                    I also found these one but don't know if it ok too :
                                    http://www.newark.com/vigortronix/vtx-214-001-105/ac-dc-conv-fixed-1-o-p-1w-5v/dp/45X5484?ost=VTX-214-001-105

                                    I'm searchin the smallest way because i also would like to make a in wall module for interuptor,... so the VTX above is ok for a wallplug but a bit big for a in wall module... How the cubino for exemple make a DC module so small?

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                                    @Tibus your selection is fine. Any one above is also fine

                                    what is you worry?

                                    sense and drive

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                                      @axillent My worry is taking 150ma out of a SR086? Is the SR086 ok to give 150ma?

                                      The VTX is ok but big for an inwall module so is there a good way to get 150ma in 5V from 220VAC in the smallest form factor possible? (or in less than 1cm height?)

                                      I also found these one but a SR086 would be fine for a inwall relay... (but 150ma?)

                                      http://fr.rs-online.com/web/p/alimentations-a-decoupage-integrables/7719379/

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                                      • T Tibus

                                        @axillent My worry is taking 150ma out of a SR086? Is the SR086 ok to give 150ma?

                                        The VTX is ok but big for an inwall module so is there a good way to get 150ma in 5V from 220VAC in the smallest form factor possible? (or in less than 1cm height?)

                                        I also found these one but a SR086 would be fine for a inwall relay... (but 150ma?)

                                        http://fr.rs-online.com/web/p/alimentations-a-decoupage-integrables/7719379/

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                                        @Tibus SR086 able to provide 100mA from 9-50V. For example you can set it to provide 20V and add DC-DC step-down for example based on MP2359. This will give you current-UP benefit at 5V etc. 20V@100mA will give you 5V@360mA maximum with 90% efficiency

                                        My preference in your case LNK306, you can get directly up to 350mA. Using ceramic capacitors and SMD inductors you will fit in 7-10mm height (see one of my picture above)

                                        And at last. Why not SSR? What type of the load do you have?

                                        sense and drive

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                                          @axillent Thank's verry much. I didn't know the current up benefit of a step-down. I think it's the key of my problem!
                                          I'll test the lnk306. Hope It will work for my project.

                                          For my "in wall module", it's just lights so no problem for an SSR. But for the wall plug, The user chose the load they want... so if it's a TV or a washing machine or a power supply, I read an SSR is not verry good for these things...

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