Air Quality Sensor
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Air Quality Index is a combination of several sensors values:
- sulfur dioxide (SO2) MQ136 / (avoid:2SH12 no datasheet)
- nitrogen dioxide (NO2) MiCS-2710 MiCS-2714 MICS-6814
- carbon monoxide (CO) MQ-7 MiCS-5525 TGS2442 MICS-6814
- ozone (O3) MQ131 MICS-2610 MICS-2614
- Particles concentration: PM2.5 and PM10 (SamYoung DSM501, Shinyei_PPD42NS, avoid: Sharp_GP2Y1010AU)
Additional gases can be interesting to track:
Current work being done:
- manage default Ro once
- take into account humidity
- manage to get proper values from TGS2600
- possibility to have a push if a value goes up too quick (for deadly gases even without calibration)
What is done:
- remove powerdown to keep heaters on
- add a five minute pre-heat on each startup
- removed the powerdown
- 2SH12 datasheet doesn't exist
WARNING: all sensors differs even within the same reference, a calibration has to be done each time. Do not rely upon a sketch result with deadly gases.
Working sketch in 1.4/1.5:
- https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/MQv01dgi_1_4.ino (for a Mega, MQ2, MQ6, MQ131, MQ136, MQ138, TGS2600, TGS2602, HCHO, Barometer BMP085, DHT11)
- https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/AirQuality-CO-NO2-NH3.ino for MICS-6814
- https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/CO2-MH-Z14.ino
- https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_SamYoung_DSM501.ino
- https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/DustSensor_Shinyei_PPD42NS.ino
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@epierre The MQ-135 sensor, for example, has an internal heater inside, which consumes 800mW max.
This disqualifies the sensor for battery powered applications as the batteries would run out very fast.
A sensor module like the MQ-135 has an analog output voltage, which you can feed to an analog input of your Arduino. Most modules also have a digital output, which can be tuned using the onboard potmeter, which triggers when a certain level has been reached.
These sensors come calibrated (to a certain amount) but calibrating them yourself will be complicated as you need to replicate an environment with a defined relative amount of the gas the ensor is sensitive to...
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Hello,
sadly the discussions were lost...
So let's start again on the subject:
https://github.com/empierre/arduino
Here is the list of my current experimentations:
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MQ135.ino : for CO2/COV ... validated - MQ2.ino : for ethanol... needs pre-heat : ongoing
- MQ6 sensor : just received
- MQ131 sensor : just received
- TGS2600 sensor : just received
I'm getting serious a with a mega and a sensor board, 4 of them are connected together !
The MQ135 is not on the list, I use it to measure CO2 in children's room...
Values:- MQ2: 85 - Combustible gas and smoke
- MQ6: 25 - Isobutane, Butane, LPG
- MQ131: 57 - O3, CL2
- TGS2600: 943 - ethanol, hydrogen, iso-butane, CO, Methane
As discussed before, I would appreciate someone helping me reading the logarithmic curves in the datasheet (link on each sensor name above) to get the linear value based on analog reading. I need to learn reading it... thanks!
as an example here in sandboxelectronics we saw that several values could be read from the datasheet:
float LPGCurve[3] = {2.3,0.21,-0.47}; //two points are taken from the curve. //with these two points, a line is formed which is "approximately equivalent" //to the original curve. //data format:{ x, y, slope}; point1: (lg200, 0.21), point2: (lg10000, -0.59) float COCurve[3] = {2.3,0.72,-0.34}; //two points are taken from the curve. //with these two points, a line is formed which is "approximately equivalent" //to the original curve. //data format:{ x, y, slope}; point1: (lg200, 0.72), point2: (lg10000, 0.15) float SmokeCurve[3] ={2.3,0.53,-0.44}; //two points are taken from the curve. //with these two points, a line is formed which is "approximately equivalent" //to the original curve. //data format:{ x, y, slope}; point1: (lg200, 0.53), point2: (lg10000, -0.22) float Ro = 10; //Ro is initialized to 10 kilo ohms
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@epierre you say you need some help reading the logarithmic curves, right?
I copied one curve from the MQ2 datasheet :
Along the horizontal axis you see the values 100, 1000 & 10000.
Between 100 & 1000 each vertical line adds 100, between 1000 & 10000 each vertical line adds 1000.
On the vertical axis it works just the same: each horizontal line between 0.1 & 1 adds 0.1, between 1 & 10 it adds 1.
So the first H2 lies at (200,2)
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@Yveaux Thanks, but can you confirm the measure that I quoted above, for I don't find them... (LLPG, CO, what they call smoke ???)
@marceltrapman thanks for the hint... I spent some time trying to find it... I'm more a wikiforumman
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another very interresting post on the theory behind:
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Ok mesurement understood...
values must be in logarithmic... sometime they display lg for log, or directly the log calculated value which does not help understand it...
so for the slope from the values read : (LOG(0,4)-LOG(1))/(LOG(10000)-LOG(1000)) and I agree to the curves.
Now let's go to the next point: resistive protection.
My boards (to few exception) are this : http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_193001_4.jpgThere are 1K and 10K resistors, plus a variable one.
From the article I base myself, it says:
The protection resistor (4.7Kohms) and the adjustable (0-50Kohms) are in serial which forms a load resistor RL (4.7-54.7Kohms). The sensor’s resistance RS and RL forms a voltage divider. The output voltage on the signal pin could be read by Arduino or MCU via ADC. Given a value of RL , Power Supply Voltage, and output voltage, RS could be derived. Based on the chart provided in the MQ-2 datasheet, RS in clean air under given temperature and humidity is a constant，which is the “initial” resistance of the sensor named RO. RO of the resistor could be derived from RS.I guess it is a different board here, so values must differ. Have you an idea how to mesure this with my multimeter ? else each time the sensor would start, the value would be calculated, clean or not :
The main job of the calibration is to calculate the RO by sampling and averaging the readings when the module is placed in the clean air. Once the RO is derived, the concentration of target gas could be calculated by using the RS/RO ratio as the input. To achieve more accuracy, a segmented look-up table should be used. However, in the demonstration, a linear formula is used as an approximation to the original curve.
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So tonight with these new formulae, I updated my mega sketch to get :
MQ2 :LPG :0ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :0ppm MQ6 :LPG :0ppm CH4 :0ppm MQ131 :CL2 :1ppm O3 :1ppm TGS2600:H2 :0ppm C2H5OH:0ppm C4H10 :0ppmGoing through the "clean air calibation" I have:
float MQResistanceCalculation(int raw_adc) { return ( ((float)RL_VALUE*(1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc)); }Here are the readings without:
MQ2:5.28 MQ6:36.94 MQ131:3.61 TGS2600:0.04and with all is 0... BTW...
What do you think of that ? nothing indicated that MQ6 should be so big, and tgs so low... same for MQ131 that should be 100k-200k per datasheet....
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@epierre are you totally sure of the calculation in MQResistanceCalculation? Maybe the evaluation is correct, but I always add some braces to make the evaluation order explicit: first do the substraction, then the float multiplication and the integer division, cast to float, as last.
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@Yveaux you mean something like this ?
return ( (((float)RL_VALUE*(1023.0 - (float) raw_adc)) / (float) raw_adc));I somehow forked the discussion on arduino.cc and sent an email in parallel do Davide Gironi for I would like to understand his formula as opposed to the curve approach.
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@epierre something like that, yes. You could also feed it some artificial values in a debug build and see if the calculated values match your expectations.
It wouldn't be the first time that some calculations (divisions) are unexpectedly calculated as ints and always return either 0 or 1 instead of the expected fraction...
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Hello,
Having sorted out how to make a power regression, I now have the sames values as Davide Gironi.
I applied this to MQ2, MQ6, MQ131, MQ135 and TGS2600 with resistance calibration at start.
MQ2 :LPG :12ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :21ppm MQ6 :LPG :3ppm CH4 :39ppm MQ131 :CL2 :2ppm O3 :3ppm TGS2600:H2 :5191ppm C2H5OH:8825ppm C4H10 :16954ppm MQ135 :CO2 :0ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :0ppm NH4 :0ppm GP2Y1010AU0F Raw Signal Value (0-1023): 19 - Voltage: 0.09 - Dust Density: -84.23the MQ135 is still doing its first heating period, do not care about its values.
Clearly the TGS shows abnormal values, I'm quite puzzled by this, using the previous method it was always 0...
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@epierre I'm still a bit wondered by the way in which you present the values.
I, for instance, have an MQ135. Is "sensitive to noxious gas concentration. MQ135 sensor also sensitive to sulfide, benzene steam, smoke, etc". The logarithmic charts in the datasheet show the sensitivity to the various gases.
This sensor has a single analog output from which IMHO you cannot determine the fraction of individual gases. Yet you present them as individual values in your measurement data... How can you distinguish?
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@Yveaux in fact it is a correlation, if you have a value from the analog, then from the curve you can guess it is one of the group, not one individually... it is the way they are designed...
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@epierre That's exactly my point!
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@Yveaux and there's worse : if you don't have the environment to calibrate it with real gas, it is just an indication... that is maybe why some projects that may have taken such sensor may hae a production process issue at the moment... In fact despite my researches, I've never found someone that said it made it to mesure correctly with gas sensors, mostly theory or just analog reading only...
An example: my MQ135 was silencious, I put its nose in the Aceton bottle:
Before:
Q2 :LPG :11ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :18ppm
MQ6 :LPG :3ppm CH4 :36ppm
MQ131 :CL2 :2ppm O3 :3ppm
TGS2600:H2 :7602ppm C2H5OH:13706ppm C4H10 :26350ppm
MQ135 :CO2 :0ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :0ppm NH4 :0ppm
Dust :raw : 18 Voltage: 0.09 - Dust Density: -85.06After:
MQ2 :LPG :208ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :832ppm
MQ6 :LPG :44ppm CH4 :172ppm
MQ131 :CL2 :16ppm O3 :17ppm
TGS2600:H2 :7774ppm C2H5OH:13818ppm C4H10 :27274ppm
MQ135 :CO2 :999ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :484ppm NH4 :1904ppm
Dust :raw : 58 Voltage: 0.28 - Dust Density: -51.86The MQ135 has reacted, but all others around...
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doing the same on my basic sketch here what I have:
2014-08-03 11:29:57 3 0 1 24 -28393looks like my old sketch needs some update...
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Doing the same on the basic sketch :
Vrl / Rs / ratio:4.21 3731.17 0 CO ppm :infThen:
Vrl / Rs / ratio:4.21 3731.17 0 CO ppm :inf
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and now ethanol/isopropylène (bike chain cleaning product):
MQ2 :LPG :247ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :1053ppm MQ6 :LPG :3527ppm CH4 :2160ppm MQ131 :CL2 :10ppm O3 :12ppm TGS2600:H2 :7891ppm C2H5OH:14279ppm C4H10 :27751ppm MQ135 :CO2 :0ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :0ppm NH4 :0ppm Dust :raw : 206 Voltage: 1.01 - Dust Density: 71.00
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and now eveyone through aceton:
MQ2 :LPG :25ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :48ppm MQ6 :LPG :19677ppm CH4 :3010ppm MQ131 :CL2 :71ppm O3 :51ppm TGS2600:H2 :8448ppm C2H5OH:15007ppm C4H10 :28738ppm MQ135 :CO2 :840ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :400ppm NH4 :1474ppm Dust :raw : 728 Voltage: 3.55 - Dust Density: 504.30remark that dust sensor goes up ! and TGS2600 goes down afterward:
MQ2 :LPG :8ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :11ppm MQ6 :LPG :1264ppm CH4 :1194ppm MQ131 :CL2 :27ppm O3 :24ppm TGS2600:H2 :4966ppm C2H5OH:8407ppm C4H10 :16227ppm MQ135 :CO2 :840ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :400ppm NH4 :1474ppm Dust :raw : 165 Voltage: 0.81 - Dust Density: 36.96
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@hek I now have the netatmo CO2 xml and json, they are based on the generic sensor.
But I don't have mysensors running on my vera...
I would need from you:
- the device and variable type
- an icon, but maybe I can reuse the other one
maybe
CO2 = {22, "urn:schemas-micasaverde-com:device:CO2Sensor:1", "D_CO2Sensor.xml", "CO2 "}
CO2 = {36, "urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:CO2Sensor", "Concentration", "396" },S_CO2Sensor.json D_CO2Sensor.xml D_CO2Sensor.json
P.S. there's the icon from Nest plugin too: http://cocu.la/vera/nest/nest_co.png
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About initial calibration, just a warning from this graph:
you can see high levels around july 21 then dropping in august... the sensor has been restarted... that is what the call clean air...
this automatic reading at the start should be stored in the sketch and not reclaculated at each reboot or you would loose all reference on your data...
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@epierre did you just post the same reply 3 times or is the forum software showing yet another bug?
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@Yveaux don't know, I did post once...
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I wanted to get acquainted with the MQ2 AirQuality Sensor so I took a look at the sketch from github.
One thing I noticed was that there is some sleep-time defined, is this just to make the sensor report the value every 30 seconds?
I guess it is not for saving power so you can run it on batteries because my understanding is that it needs to be hot in order to function correctly and that will drain the battery fast.Does not look like the calibration during setup takes in account the preheating time either, maybe it is a good idea to add a delay before the calibration so the sensor gets hot enough.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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@hek Here is a first list from the most commons:
- Carbon Monoxide – CO
- Carbon Dioxide – CO2
- Oxygen – O2
- Methane – CH4
- Hydrogen – H2
- Ammonia – NH3
- Isobutane – C4H10
- Ethanol – CH3CH2OH (aka C2H5OH or C2H60)
- Toluene – C6H5CH3
- Hydrogen Sulfide – H2S
- Nitrogen Dioxide – NO2
- Ozone – O3
- Hydrocarbons – VOC
- Chlorine CL2
- Ammonium NH4
- Ethanol CO2H50H
- Methyl CH3
- Acetone CH3_2CO
- LPG (both C3H8 C4H10)
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@korttoma said:
Does not look like the calibration during setup takes in account the preheating time either, maybe it is a good idea to add a delay before the calibration so the sensor gets hot enough.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I see your point, but from experience I don't see a difference on heating... I should have a closer look. This one does not need a special pre-heating as some other (MQ-7).
Clearly this cannot run on battery on MQ/TGS/MICS series, so surely removing the sleep and adding a wait would do the trick the same way.
If you want to play and see something, the MQ135 is much better for it reacts to CO2, so having someone in a room or not you could see it easily changing.
A current weakness on the sketches is to take into accound humidity and temperature to correct the value, that will come too.
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I was looking for some other gas sensor, but these have no shield ready to connect to arduino :
Sensor Operating Voltage Heater Power MiCS-2710 (NO2) 2.5 V 43 mW MiCS-5525 (CO) 5.0 V 76 mWdo I need a dedicated 2.5 V linear regulator such as Microchip TC1071VCT713 ?
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@hek about initial calibration, how would I do check if there is a value in the eeprom or not, and if not run an initial calibration ?
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Unwritten eeprom has the value 0xff.
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Hi,
First of al I'm a novice in all of this. I can read some code but the whole arduino thing is new to me.I tried to get the MQ135 working on my uno with tearing apart the : https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/1.3/MQ135dgi.ino.
I tried to pull out the bits and parts to get a accurate reading on my serial monitor.It sometimes read 1 or 2, but most of the time it is 0.
Can it have something to do with it being mounted on its own PCB? (I ordered the one suggested in the store..)
Can someone help me out?Groetjes Mark
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@Omemanti hello have you plugged it on the right pins, this is an analogic sensor to be plugged on A0, with 5V and GND pins. Don't wire the digital one, useless...
My minimal value is 53.. so not 0 or 1 hwich looks more like the digital output
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should be alright right?
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@Omemanti cabling is correct
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Hi,
Where can I find AirQuality1.xml?? (or all files related to this device if there are others then the .xml)01 09/03/14 13:46:53.685 ctrl_chr[31;1mDevice_LuaUPnP::LoadDeviceDoc can't load /etc/cmh-lu//D_AirQuality1.xmlctrl_chr[0m <0x2acc9000>
02 09/03/14 13:46:53.686 ctrl_chr[33;1mJobHandler_LuaUPnP::m_sMissingFile_set /etc/cmh-lu//D_AirQuality1.xmlctrl_chr[0m <0x2acc9000>Seems like if this file is missing it brakes the whole MySensors plugin.
All devices related to MySensors plugin are blank and nothing seems to update.
Deleting the device that use AirQuality.xml will make the rest work again.Help!!
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Unfortunately no one has created it
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@hek
ahh, that's why I cant find it... no pressure from my side to get one done but maybe we should mention this little detail on the MySensors building page just as a heads up for others since there is a sketch published and all...
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I made a template but I'm unable to test it...
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@hek here is an updated list from the Wunder Weather list of reportable gases:
Carbon Monoxide – CO
Carbon Dioxide – CO2
Oxygen – O2
Methane – CH4
Hydrogen – H2
Ammonia – NH3
Isobutane – C4H10
Ethanol – CH3CH2OH (aka C2H5OH or C2H60)
Toluene – C6H5CH3
Hydrogen Sulfide – H2S
Nitrogen Dioxide – NO2
Ozone – O3
Hydrocarbons – VOC
Chlorine CL2
Ammonium NH4
Ethanol CO2H50H
Methyl CH3
Acetone CH3_2CO
LPG (both C3H8 C4H10)- NO - nitric oxide
- NOX - nitrogen oxides
- NO3 ion (nitrate, not adjusted for ammonium ion) UG/M3
- SO4 ion, sulfate, not adjusted for ammonium ion, UG/M3
- SO2 sulfur dioxide, ppb
- EC (elemental carbon) – PM2.5 UG/M3
- OC (organic carbon, not adjusted for oxygen and hydrogen) – PM2.5 UG/M3
- BC (black carbon at 880 nm) UG/M3
- UV-AETH (second channel of Aethalometer at 370 nm) UG/M3
- PM2.5 mass - UG/M3
- PM10 mass - PM10 mass
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Thanks!
Still thinking about you gas_type suggestion. It would introduce another level of device types. Hmm..
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@korttoma look above to S_CO2Sensor.json D_CO2Sensor.xml D_CO2Sensor.json, if you can test it...
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@Yveaux I know you are strong at finding datasheet... can you find one for me ? I can't find the 2SH12 sensor altgough I've asked for it to all suppliers on aliexpress...
Same for theWSP1110
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@epierre Couldn't find it either, sorry...
I wouldn't buy a $52,- component without a datasheet, if I were you...
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@Yveaux When I asked for the WSP110 they sent me only this (not the same for this one is HCHO and well documented...) :
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I wonder what the green curve represents
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@hek that should be the more sensitive, and since it is given mostly for CHCO I guess this is it... (Formaldehyde)
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@hek 甲醛 is formaldehyde, given by google translate so I'm right !
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Haha
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Davide answered me, lot of things to read but a warning:
Anyway, for consistent CO2 investigaion, you HAVE to chose a NDIR sensor, those chemical sensor can not be used. They decay in a few year, and they differs a little one from each other.I've asked him back for precision if he speaks of the organic sensor or the ceramic ones (like MQ...).
For the CO2, it is MH-Z14 which is $66+ priced.
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@hek exact !
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@epierre said:
@korttoma look above to S_CO2Sensor.json D_CO2Sensor.xml D_CO2Sensor.json, if you can test it...
Thanks, found the device files and got the device included again.
Seems like my MQ-2 is always reporting 0 or nothing at all. I guess I need to try to calibrate it again.
It will do the calibration every time the sensor is restarted right?
How can I calibrate the sensor if I put it somewhere where the air is not clean enough? (bring clean air in a jar? )Maybe it would be an idea to add a calibration button to the mix and when run using the button it would save the calibration related data in the RAM so it can then always use this calibrated value and then it would not re-calibrate every time it loses power.
I have the 10k resistor between GND and A0, is this really necessary?
Does the potentiometer on the sensor board affect the analog out at all or is it only for sensitivity on the digital out?Sorry for all the questions
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@korttoma said:
Thanks, found the device files and got the device included again.
So you confirm they can be used as is ?
@korttoma said:
Seems like my MQ-2 is always reporting 0 or nothing at all. I guess I need to try to calibrate it again.
It will do the calibration every time the sensor is restarted right?
How can I calibrate the sensor if I put it somewhere where the air is not clean enough? (bring clean air in a jar? wink )this is the ongoing work, except CO2 which is known to be 399ppm (co2now.org) that should report this in clean air, for the other that should be little, and for deadly gases a full warning if this is high.
@korttoma said:
Maybe it would be an idea to add a calibration button to the mix and when run using the button it would save the calibration related data in the RAM so it can then always use this calibrated value and then it would not re-calibrate every time it loses power.
That is an option, but EEPROM has a 100k write cycle only... this is what citizensensors says about it:
1) Metal oxide gas sensors have intrinsic drift over time i.e. it is necessary to perform calibration on a regular basis. 2) Because of spread in baseline resistance, sensitivity, cross-sensitivity, temperature dependency it is not possible to apply same calibration parameters to all the sensors. 3) This type of sensor is efficient to detect change in concentration but not well adapted to absolute readings because of multiple dependency (T, RH, cross-contaminants). 4) Using smart algorithm allows indicating useful information like the correlation with CO2 in confined space like offices or buildings (see VZ-87 in attachment). For absolute readings with high accuracy and repeatability I agree with you that you should use another technology.From this we have the calibration issue... in another post, since they only report resistance, they say they will rebuild all their platform to address callibration issue... but since calibration depends only from a reference gas concentration... only the pre-calibrated sensors remains viable for the low cost MQ/MICS/TGS will never be really calibrated...
@korttoma said:
I have the 10k resistor between GND and A0, is this really necessary?
Does the potentiometer on the sensor board affect the analog out at all or is it only for sensitivity on the digital out?no you can remove it, I have observed a different behavior when moving it, it looks like it is shared by both digital and analogic for the same reason. What I'd like to find is where to measure the resistance for there are often some more on the board.
@korttoma said:
Sorry for all the questions
good questions are always useful, especially when they meet my current subject of interrest
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@epierre said:
@korttoma said:
Thanks, found the device files and got the device included again.
So you confirm they can be used as is ?well, for the device in Vera I had to change the parameter "device_file" from "D_AirQuality1.xml" to "D_CO2Sensor.xml".
I don't get any errors but I also do not get any values but I guess this is because my node is not sending any values.I'll try to look in to why my node is not reporting any value and try to remove the 10kR and see if I can measure the load resistance of my MQ-2 sensor board and maybe even remove some unnecessary components from it...
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Hi All. Very interesting stuff, thanks all for sharing! I'm attempting to integrate an MQ-2, MQ-6 and MQ-135 (sensors only, no boards) using parts of epierre's sketch but I'm confused on a few things on how to set it up properly:
- What resistor(s) should go between A0 and ground? Keep in mind I'm not using a sensor board with built in protection resistor. Should there be a protection resistor then an adjustable pot for calibration?
- define RL_VALUE (5)
-- does this refer to the size of the protection resistor between A0 and ground? - define RO_CLEAN_AIR_FACTOR (9.83)
-- does this value need to change at all? - float Ro4 = 2.511;
-- when you say this needs to be tuned to 10k, does that mean put a pot between A0 and ground and adjust until the calibration R0 is 10k?
Sorry for all the questions, I appreciate any input! Thanks!
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1- see http://www.electronicaestudio.com/docs/SHT-114.pdf Fig 2 for wiring, the adjustable resistance is with ground and the sensor.
2- yes
3- Ro is calculated on first launch expecting you do this outside.
Ro = MQCalibration(MQ_SENSOR_ANALOG_PIN);4- this is a default value I observed here. again the datasheet recommands for MQ135 20K to be in range with their values:
we recommend that you calibrate the detector for 100ppm NH3 or 50ppm Alcohol concentration in air and use value of Load resistance that( RL) about 20 KΩ
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Thanks for fast reply! I think i understand all but point #4... What do you mean by the Ro needs to be tuned to 10k? Using the adjustable resistor? Does that mean that the calibration number in fresh air at startup should ideally reach a set number, 10k?
Since I don't have access to properly calibrate the sensor against a know quantity of gas, I thought the rough calibration would occur in clean air at start up, is that correct?
Sorry for all the questions, it's a bit complicated. Thanks again!
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@pbo as stated above, the sensors evolve in their life... let's say that the value recommended by the datasheet is the best if you can.
clean air calibration means that you should have a 0 value in clean air. Let's say that for CO2 the actual value is 399... so it should not be 0, but the clean air calibration is "assumed" quite good for LPG, SO2, NOx... that should be present in very little quantity, and again this is when the value increases a lot that it gets dangerous... there are some discussion on this above.
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I tried to analyze what is on the small ciscuitboar for my MQ-2 sensor an here is what I think it contains:
So adding the 10K between AOUT and GND is pointless. So what now? Can I use it as is and just use the 1K value for RL in the sketch or is it recommended to change the 1K to something else (10K)??
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@Yveaux right, I opened a dispute with the seller, since I observed also no/nearly no answer to match burning with the sensor, he didn't even answer thus closing the dispute in my favor... that will be a good warning to me about those undocumented sensors comming from only one supplier without datasheet... there are other around, I shall avoid them..
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@korttoma You've been lucky finding such a schema, but it is strange there is a resistance on the other side of the sensor, and the variable one is not where expected... maybe the 1K is wrong on the schema, can you mesure it on the board?
5.1 Ohm is low...
The RL here is for the voltage comparator that gives the digital output with led.
MQ-2 datasheet asks for Rs in 3KΩ-30KΩ
If this is right, then the value that the autocalibration "in clean air" should give you something around 1K.The MQ-9 datasheet is a bit more versatile:
Power of Sensitivity body(Ps): Ps=Vc^2×Rs/(Rs+RL)^2
Resistance of sensor(Rs): Rs=(Vc/VRL-1)×RLMQ-9: Rs(in air)/Rs(100ppm CO)≥5
I fear they are using a standard board for all sensors and that the resistance value may be wrong from this, just because they want to deliver a digital signal...
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I did not find the schema, I measured the board and figured it out myself so it might be wrong.
Could you draw a schema that would show me exactly how it would preferably look so I can change it? Because I'm clearly not smart enough to understand it from your descriptions. Please explain it to me like I was 4 years old
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Now changed my sensor according to this (disconnected the OP related to DOUT) :
Please confirm that this is how it is preferred to be connected.
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Hello,
I guess here you have the same that the datasheet, so I assume it is ok
I've been working to port sketches to a Spark Core with good results, the 12 bits ADC gives more precise values, at least the MQ135 is now very sensitive.
I am also correcting errors in the sketches I have produced.
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Hello,
A good article on the comparison of 3 same MQ-7 sensors
A lot of good questions, not easy to answer! It is good you tryed it with three sensors instead of just one, and you can see there is a lot of variation from one sensor to the next of the same batch. [...] As to the value of Ro, that is the million dollar question. You have to have a known calibration source of CO in order to determine that! Each MQ-7 sensor will be different. The normal levels in a lab or home will be (should be!) well below the level that this sensor can detect and discriminate. It's lower limit implied in the data sheet is around 50ppm, which is where it begins to be dangerous for continuous exposure. Do read wiki and other sources about carbon monoxide and levels that can occur under different conditions.
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During the weekend I did the hardware changes and tried my MQ-2 sensor again and now if I hit it with smoke (I have smoke on a can) I do get values in Vera under the Variable1 property. No values on the dashboard device itself. I guess some changes are needed for the device file to display the V_VAR1 or we should use something else than V_VAR1.
If you have already updated the sketch for the MQ-2 please let me know where I can get the latest version so I can try it out.
btw, is the MQ-2 supposed to give the value 0 after it is calibrated in clean air? My sensor sends the value 0 all the time unless I hit it with my smoke can.
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@korttoma said:
If you have already updated the sketch for the MQ-2 please let me know where I can get the latest version so I can try it out.
btw, is the MQ-2 supposed to give the value 0 after it is calibrated in clean air? My sensor sends the value 0 all the time unless I hit it with my smoke can.
Yes I am deeply modifying it, and will have a question for @hek : to have something consistant in time, it owuld be better to have the initial calibration stored, either in EEPROM or as a VAR on the server. Could it be possible that I introduce a loop that wait till the var is answered and if not go into calibration ?
@korttoma the best sketch so far is the following, to be scaled down to one sensor, remove specific Mega initialization. I will make a simpler one based on this soon, as I have already done it for the Spark core.
https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/MQv01dgi_1_4.ino
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The best solution (and most simple) is to keep calibration data in EEPROM.
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Now some questions I have currently:
I've used your clean air calibration in open air given values of air concentration where appropriate. Around sept 20th I applied this method t omy sketches and I have since sensors that are very much more reactive ! Only 2SH12 has no curve, it is voltage for this (damn) sensor doesn't have a datasheet...
I don't know if this was this predictible...
They are all placed inside a room that I sometime open to clean air. Also there are restarts that calculates again those values where you see it drop maybe, but anyway it will still go to the previous values.
MQ135 in CO2:
MQ2 in Smoke:
2SH12 in SO2 in voltage:
MQ6 in O3:
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@korttoma I have found a sketch that may interrest you about the gas sensors boards:
http://www.parallax.com/sites/default/files/downloads/27983-Gas-Sensor-Board-A-Schematic.pdf
Their document speaks also about calibrating some gases:
http://www.parallax.com/sites/default/files/downloads/27983-Gas-Sensor-Board-Guide-v1.0.pdf
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@Yveaux I have doubts about calculing the resistance, for it is depending on the steps, either 1024 or 4096, and/or the voltage either 5V or 3.3V.
I started with this formulae:
return ( ((float)RL_VALUE*(1023-raw_adc)/raw_adc));But saw Davide Gironi using this one:
return (long)((long)(1024*(long)RL_VALUE)/raw_adc-(long)RL_VALUE);RL_VALUE=22000
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@Yveaux @korttoma
Bummer... this is the same formula when doing the reduction.... one is 1023 the other 1024 the only change.The RL_VALUE for Davide was 22k, when I mesure the resistance with Analog out with ground, I get 0,996 or 0,999 ohms depending on the sensor. I guess this is the RL_VALUE of the board which is way below the sensor maker recommendation (between 10K and 47K for a MQ135).
Also, I saw that the pot on the board does not change the analog to ground resistance, meaning it is used only for comparison of the digital output....
Am I correct in mesuring this ?
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@epierre said:
Also, I saw that the pot on the board does not change the analog to ground resistance, meaning it is used only for comparison of the digital output....
That seems to match the schematic above where the pot connects to + of the lm393
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@Yveaux Doing so, I have used a RL_VALUE for each board I mesured, one went to 5MOhms...
MQ2:-8.85 MQ6:0.00 MQ131:0.00 TGS2600:0.00 MQ135:0.00 2SH12:-155004.00 TGZS2602:0.00Something to be noted: same boards have the same resistance, whatever the sensor maker recommendation, this is a pity...
The output I have:
MQ2 :LPG :7ppm CO :0ppm SMOKE :10ppm MQ6 :LPG :0ppm CH4 :0ppm MQ131 :CL2 :0ppm O3 :0ppm TGS2600:H2 :0ppm C2H5OH:0ppm C4H10 :0ppm MQ135 :CO2 :0ppm CO :0ppm CH3 :0ppm NH4 :0ppm 2SH12 :SO2 :-154588.20 raw TGS2602:C7H8 :0ppm Dust :raw : 0 Voltage: 0.00 - Dust Density: -0.10something to remember: MQ135 was calibrated for 1ppm of CO, not 399ppm of CO2, so the calculated value is very low, a per gas Ro must be calculated (clean air calibration) if several gas on one sensor is required to be displayed.
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Some interresting points from another discussion on the MQ138 that is given for HCHO.
Historically a datasheet said so, but it is impossible to read the datasheet curves:
http://china-total.com/Product/meter/gas-sensor/MQ138.pdfThe latest ones do not speak of HCHO any more.
An available alternative: grove is a wsp2110 and datasheet can be found.
http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/Grove_-_HCHO_Sensor
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Hello all,
I'm new here, thanks to this topic very interesting for my personal project: a mobile air quality sensor.
(sorry for my english, i'm french)Fistly, congrat's @epierre and the other, for having shared all this informations!
(it's a litte funny because we had the same idea in the almost same time)
So after having read the entire subject, here my questions (the number in front is the number post):_
17 - @epierre, I haven't well understand How you can distinguish individual gas from a sensor who react with several gas.45 - The "Wunder Weather" list that you talked about, it's a website?
55 - What David did you answer to you about "if he speaks of the organic sensor or the ceramic ones"?
Moreover, what are the organic sensors? Have you example?72- On winsensor.com, an chinese gas sensor producer, the MQ-7 is more powerfull... I don't know who trust, maybe it's not the same?? See the PDF datasheet here.
81 - Where did you read that the lastest one don't speak of HCHO anymore?
After some research, I founded two, one who speak about HCHO here in english , and the other who don't....but I'm not sure (beacause in chinese) here.Otherwise, for the WSP2110 datasheet, it is here! But chinese too =/
Regards,
Alex.
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Hello,
This is a short post, half has been lost in a forum crash, I hope the best remains
17 - @epierre, I haven't well understand How you can distinguish individual gas from a sensor who react with several gas.You cannot as I showed below with the broken perfume bottle, you can guess there is one, but not which one.
45 - The "Wunder Weather" list that you talked about, it's a website?This is wunderground.com
55 - What David did you answer to you about "if he speaks of the organic sensor or the ceramic ones"? Moreover, what are the organic sensors? Have you example?The organic are the one that have a lifetime of 2 years, calibrated but wery expensive (aroung $150+ apiece), the winseng one for example, big and round.
72- On winsensor.com, an chinese gas sensor producer, the MQ-7 is more powerfull... I don't know who trust, maybe it's not the same?? See the PDF datasheet here.this is hard to say... the MQ-7 is quite special with a sequence to power it up, and readings every period.
81 - Where did you read that the lastest one don't speak of HCHO anymore? After some research, I found two, one who speak about HCHO here in english , and the other who don't....but I'm not sure (beacause in chinese) here.I don't see mention of HCHO (formaldehyde) in the english one (n-Hexane, Benzene, NH3, alcohol, ,smoke, CO. I found one in chinese with the link above but the curve couldn't be exploited. Please remark that Alcohool has not a single formula, but here they show only one curve, not very precise.
Otherwise, for the WSP2110 datasheet, it is here! But chinese too =/Yes for this one something can be done, but there is no for WSP1110 there is no...
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Ok! Thanks.
And what about the ceramic sensors (like MQ serie). How long can we trust them?
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@alex said:
Ok! Thanks.
And what about the ceramic sensors (like MQ serie). How long can we trust them?a bit longer but they vary in time as Davide made the remark, so calibration is not one time in its life...
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Hello
@epierre : after received the PPD42NS, compared to the DSM501A, which one is the best do you think?
Other things, I planned to purchase soon the sensors that I need for my air station.
You made a list on the #1 post, and it's very useful thanks, but now I have to choose between them for each gas targeted (maybe some sensors are still missing on the list below)Which one appears for you, the better for each gas, with a reasonable price?
O3 MQ131 MICS-2610 Mics-2614 NO2 MiCS-2710 MiCS-2714 NO ? PM10 PM2.5 PPD42NS SamYoung DSM501 Benzene MQ135 CO MQ307A MQ309A AQ-7 MiCS-5525 TGS2442 So2 MQ136 COV MQ135 TGS2602 CO2 MQ135
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@alex said:
@epierre : after received the PPD42NS, compared to the DSM501A, which one is the best do you think?
I currently have only the DSL501A working, many issues with the dead Shinyei (still in dispute escalade) and getting one from another seller takes so much time...
Which one appears for you, the better for each gas, with a reasonable price?
O3 MQ131 MICS-2610 Mics-2614
NO2 MiCS-2710 MiCS-2714
NO ?
PM10 PM2.5 PPD42NS SamYoung DSM501
Benzene MQ135
CO MQ307A MQ309A AQ-7 MiCS-5525 TGS2442
So2 MQ136
COV MQ135 TGS2602
CO2 MQ135The price is low, but so is the result. Only the CO-MH-Z14 is calibrated. For all the others, there is the calibration issue.
See the sketch for a lit of known/tested sensors (some I don't have but a frien asked me for the curves so I added it to the Mega sketch)
https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino- The MiCS are problematic to find in Europe (!) so I have only one that I have not yet tested.
- The Figaro have been tested, but it is hard to know how to really test them on some gases...
- The MQxx:
- MQ2: good result on smoke
- MQ135 good result on CO2
The others I'm not yet able to give any opinion.
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Great project!
I hooked up an MQ135 (sensor on a little pcb with (i think) smd resistor 102 (=1K ohm) between gnd and B )
The readings are however all over the place (135ppm to 1332ppm), so i think i need to calibrate. The raw reading is alwas in the range 71-80 (inside).I know i have to get it outside and the reading should be 392 or 399 ppm but i am unsure what var i should change?
The sketch says mq135_ro (this has to be tuned 10K Ohm) but that does not seem to be used in the calculations?I tried the sensor outside, but I am getting some different readings: the measured value changes from 59 to 82. The mq135_ro (i suppose that's the suggested ro) from 3081.00 to 81416 (does not go linear with the measured value?
The sensor was heated for more than 24h and then moved outside (started measuring after 5min, in windy conditions)
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I'm using the standard Smoke sketch from Mysensor library and it seem to be crashing MySensor plugin on Vera edge. Below is a snapshot of the problem. Any ideas?
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I take it that you are talking about the Air_Quality sketch right? The problem is that you do not have the device files for this kind of sensor in your Vera MySensor plugin. There is another thread that contains the files, I'll see if I can find it.
Edit: Found the thread -> http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/661/assistance-needed-completing-gas-air-quality-sensor
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I'm going to try experiment tomorrow... Thank you!
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@epierre thank you for sharing this code - your work is stellar. I'm working with a team of three other people to build a payload for a near space weather balloon launch in a couple of weeks.
We're using the MQ131 Ozone Gas Sensor and your code has been quite useful to us. One question though, when our data logger reads the sensor we're getting a single number value. We're not exactly sure what that number means. Could you help explain what we're seeing? Are we getting a ppb number? ppm? Or something else altogether?
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@jroseastro hello, first of all the MQ series are not so precise as that, use it for a test run, but for serious purpose please consider something better and with calibration.
Ozone is quite chalenging, if you go very high, since the MQ nead heating to work, it will drain fast your batteries.
For any sensor always refer to the datasheet.
MQ131 is given from 5 to 100 ppb (reason you get only a single value) if you use the provided calibration sheet. So the result is the one from the curve. We've had a discussion not yet settled with @hek about units and this is why I've not put it, but maybe I should uniformize everything in ppm since this is the most prevalent value used.
Also the datasheet says you need 6V to heat it, so you cannot heat it from the arduino except with a step up (not that good) or an external power source (best) with a voltage regulator.
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I'm now testing the MICS-6814 (3 sensors in one) given for :
Carbon monoxide CO 1 -1000ppm
**Nitrogen dioxide NO2 0.05 –10ppm **
Ethanol C2H5OH 10 –500ppm
Hydrogen H2 1 –1000ppm
Ammonia NH3 1 –500ppm
Methane CH4 >1000ppm
Propane C3H8 >1000ppm
Iso-butane C4H10 >1000ppmDatasheet maionly speaks on CO, NO2 and NH3:
http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/1/10/MiCS-6814_Datasheet.pdfHere is are scripts:
http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/Grove_-_Multichannel_Gas_Sensorhttp://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/1/10/MiCS-6814_Datasheet.pdf
Some readings:
The concentration of NH3 is 0.99 ppm The concentration of CO is 1.20 ppm The concentration of NO2 is 0.15 ppm The concentration of C3H8 is 1000.04 ppm The concentration of C4H10 is 999.98 ppm The concentration of CH4 is 2991.14 ppm The concentration of H2 is 1.09 ppm The concentration of C2H5OH is 1.40 ppmI guess I'll make a script soon...
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I think MQ131 need 24 hours preheating time.Because of preheating time it will be costly. and for MiCS 6814 how do you calculate or measured other values of gases?? Because sensor's data sheet it hard to understand
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@bhavika said:
I think MQ131 need 24 hours preheating time.Because of preheating time it will be costly.
no MQ is expected to run on battery for they always need pre-heating before getting a value.
and for MiCS 6814 how do you calculate or measured other values of gases?? Because sensor's data sheet it hard to understand
So fat I only use the provided library. Sensors are said to be factory calibrated, maybe a reason they are so costly. I'm not running it constantly at this time, but I saw no change in the few time I ran it so I'm still expecting to see something.
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@epierre Hi...it is ameasing your work
I am wondering about Mq-135. We have troubles with reading differents gases.
From the datasheet we read the slopes
Gas X" X0" "Rs/R0 "Rs/R0 pendiente (log y- log y0)/(log x-log x0)"
Air 200 10 3.6 3.6 0.00000
co 200 10 1.3 2.9 -0.26783
nh4 200 10 0.79 2.7 -0.41024
c02 200 10 0.8 2.4 -0.36673
3/4/ 200 10 0.72 1.9 -0.32391
1/4/ 200 10 0.64 1.5 -0.28432
+- 200 10 0.59 1.4 -0.28845the data are in the next worksheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Z6XyxwXVsWdMIk9vbUuCucaLJDdmR0QUFSTYG79ftw/edit?usp=sharing
¿may you share with us your code for this sensor in order to see your slopes and Rs/R0 values ?
¿do you know the meaning of the name of gases with 3/4 or 1/4 or +-thank you in advance
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based on a datasheet, this one:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8OvrwVDp8fCcWpHSjZNVzB1TjQ/viewI apply a power regression (tool: http://www.xuru.org/rt/PowR.as ) on the following points (I've not marked down values but theses are close match):
0.8 200 1 100 2.3 10Result: y = 103.6748512 x-2.81699418
Residual Sum of Squares: rss = 45.01031346¿do you know the meaning of the name of gases with 3/4 or 1/4 or +-looks like you had a chinese datasheet
just remember those are correlated gases based on particle size for those captors, so it is not very accurate...You can find many more sensors hare : https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/AirQuality-Multiple_Gas_Sensor1_4.ino or simply in https://github.com/empierre/arduino/blob/master/
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@epierre
Hi, May be I do not explain my point correctly (or maybe I misundertood ), let me try again.
We adopt a code, which is the next. The blue lines are the points (for each gas we need two points) that we need.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CevnhBLL9uoyZ31kkrMn-SXeOF_4e9YFGmchj46pGPY/edit?usp=sharingSpecifically we read from the datasheet the pairs of points for CO
point1 (lg200 , lg1.3)
Point2 (lg10, lg2.9)
then, we construct the data format:{ x, y, slope};
COCurve[3] = {1.0,0.462,-0.268};We are wondering about the pair of points for the others gases or the { x, y, slope} data for them, could you share them?.
and the other hand, the name of gases with 3/4 or 1/4 or +- appears as well in your datasheet (figure 3)... do you know why?
thank you so much
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I prefer the power regression than the curves.
From your datapoints :
1.3 200
2.9 10I find:
y = 532.6744764 x-3.73371402
rss=0I don't remember where I found the datasheet with the chinese names that I translated through google.
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@epierre Now I see your point of view and of course it is better way to reduce the error.
in the other hand, I found the datasheet in chinese an then a friend translate it.
the meaning of the name of gases is for 3/4 (Alcohol), 1/4 (Tolueno) or +- (acetona)Thank you so much.
