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Safe In-Wall AC to DC Transformers??

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  • DidiD Didi

    Powersupplies arrived :smiley:

    DSC_0079.jpg

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    @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

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      @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

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      @Moshe-Livne said:

      @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

      Sorry Moshe no tests,i was in holidays with my kids

      if (knowledge == 0) { use BRAIN; use GOOGLE;use SEARCH; } else {make POST;}

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        @Moshe-Livne said:

        @Didi Any initial results? curiosity is killing me....

        Sorry Moshe no tests,i was in holidays with my kids

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        @Didi :disappointed:

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          Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
          Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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          • B Bertb

            Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
            Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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            @Bertb Great news! Looking forward to the results.

            My "How To" home automation video channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq_Evyh5PQALx4m4CQuxqkA

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              @Bertb said:

              Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well.

              :+1:

              I can´t wait to see the results

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              • B Bertb

                Last week I carried out an elektrical safety test on the HLK-PM01 to NEN 60101 (Dutch test for medical equipment) and it performed pretty well. I will try to post the file, after I removed some private information :-)
                Furthermore I am building a automated load tester that relates variable loads to output voltages and surface temperatures, based on an Arduino Nano.

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                @Bertb Cool, always handy to have people like you on forums ;) I'm also looking forward to the results!

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                  Maybe the "Samsung ETAOU10EBE" phone charger is also an idea to use. I have one for my phone, and it is very small.
                  I haven't opened it (i use it for my phone, dohhh), but the charger is small, so the PCB inside will be even smaller.

                  It is 5V @ 700mA with a microUSB wire. I got a second one from eBay, which was being sold as 'genuine'. And to be honest, i really don't see any difference with the one that came with my phone. It is working fine for more than a year.

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                    Well, here is the test file. I made it using test software named Ansur and a Fluke ESA640 tester in a Class II test setup.
                    The only problem is that some test results are in Dutch.

                    HLK-PM01 20150724 Fluke ESA620 IEC 60601-1 klasse 2.pdf

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                      For us none dutch talking people... Good or Bad? (Yes, I see the big PASSED text ;) )

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                        For us none dutch talking people... Good or Bad? (Yes, I see the big PASSED text ;) )

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                        @hek I'm Dutch but I also have troubles interpreting the results...
                        But hey, I'm a software guy!

                        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                          i guess fluke can set to eng,thanks @Bertb for the results,think you don´t make it at home

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                            Sorry for the language thing. I will try to get some tests in English in the future.
                            The tester used is designed for tests of medical equipment and this specific test proves that this specific HLK was safe. The problem is, however, that it does not prove anything with respect to the safety of other HLK's.

                            In the mean time, the same HLK is feeding a load of 730 mA. It's output voltage is 5.08 volts and the case temperature is Temp C: 46.81 Temp F: 116.26105.

                            @Didi. You are correct. I work in a hospital. I will try to setup the Fluke to English.

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                              Wait Mike, there is more ...
                              I sacrificed a device to the altar of success and opened it.
                              That was not very difficult. After scratching away some gum stuff the following was revealed.
                              I will try to remove the rest of the gum with acetone. I will also do some heat and burn tests.

                              This is quite funny to do :-)

                              IMG_20150728_214007.jpg IMG_20150728_214057.jpg IMG_20150728_214105.jpg IMG_20150728_214436.jpg

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                                And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                                _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                                  And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                                  _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                                  @Bertb Thanks Bert! Good digging!

                                  http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                    And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                                    _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                                    @Bertb thanks! Good detective work! It seems the chip provide all the protections needed. That is very encouraging

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                                      Thank you very much. I agree with you ap8012 seems to be a good chip. As we can see, it is difficult to make it smaller if we want all securities...and for the price including shipping I think they will sell lot of these things!

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                                      • B Bertb

                                        And I found the AP8012 chip inside. It has the following features:
                                        _1286955514_oj99d4.pdf

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                                        @Bertb it is hard to see from the photos, are the capacitors rated for 105c?

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                                          @Moshe. Yes they are. I did not yet dug into that, but is that good news?
                                          IMG_20150729_124755.jpg IMG_20150729_124953.jpg IMG_20150729_125107.jpg IMG_20150729_125455.jpg

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