Open Source Home Automation (Raspberry)
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I cant decide which software I want to run. I dont really like any of them :(
I was thinking about openhab and use the ethernet + arduino and make a new gateway software for openhab. (openhab can utilize UDP)But I think openhab is a bit complex in the configuration. Or me just stupid.. :)
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I cant decide which software I want to run. I dont really like any of them :(
I was thinking about openhab and use the ethernet + arduino and make a new gateway software for openhab. (openhab can utilize UDP)But I think openhab is a bit complex in the configuration. Or me just stupid.. :)
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I cant decide which software I want to run. I dont really like any of them :(
I was thinking about openhab and use the ethernet + arduino and make a new gateway software for openhab. (openhab can utilize UDP)But I think openhab is a bit complex in the configuration. Or me just stupid.. :)
@Damme Yeah, that is sort of the Achilles' heel of the MySensors project. Basically no software support. And even if all the above software miraculously started to support MySensors, they'd still be years from completion most likely. I can't claim to have tried them all but none of them seem that promising. Most of them are half-baked and those that show some promise are usually developing too slowly or are under the wrong direction focusing on the wrong things or getting ahead of themselves. A lot of them support various wonky commercial hardware that ordinary people will be less likely to have heard of than MySensors even. Some of them sure have the cart before the horse and I'm always a bit suspicious about where their motivations are coming from, i.e. any money trail to said obscure corporate stuff that most people are very unlikely to own.
If I had any use for Z-Wave I might have considered getting a Vera, but for that price you could get pretty much anything, like a NUC or whatever (some of them are quite energy efficient and getting better every generation). Not that an x86 machine would me much use either compared to a RPi. And besides, all I hear about the Vera is complaints about slow software development. I'd expect more UX perfection from a commercial product. Perhaps I will reconsider if there is a Vera4 or something and UI7 is a resounding success. Else, people might do what they did to Synology, rip their software and let everyone use on their own hardware.
Isn't Google coming out with something soon? Or are they busy with the expensive NEST stuff?
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@Damme Yeah, that is sort of the Achilles' heel of the MySensors project. Basically no software support. And even if all the above software miraculously started to support MySensors, they'd still be years from completion most likely. I can't claim to have tried them all but none of them seem that promising. Most of them are half-baked and those that show some promise are usually developing too slowly or are under the wrong direction focusing on the wrong things or getting ahead of themselves. A lot of them support various wonky commercial hardware that ordinary people will be less likely to have heard of than MySensors even. Some of them sure have the cart before the horse and I'm always a bit suspicious about where their motivations are coming from, i.e. any money trail to said obscure corporate stuff that most people are very unlikely to own.
If I had any use for Z-Wave I might have considered getting a Vera, but for that price you could get pretty much anything, like a NUC or whatever (some of them are quite energy efficient and getting better every generation). Not that an x86 machine would me much use either compared to a RPi. And besides, all I hear about the Vera is complaints about slow software development. I'd expect more UX perfection from a commercial product. Perhaps I will reconsider if there is a Vera4 or something and UI7 is a resounding success. Else, people might do what they did to Synology, rip their software and let everyone use on their own hardware.
Isn't Google coming out with something soon? Or are they busy with the expensive NEST stuff?
@bjornhallberg Agree, I just looked at 'The thing system' but I cant even get the freakin thing to work (never used nodejs before...) but they do have a well documented tcp protocol ( http://thethingsystem.com/dev/Simple-Thing-Protocol.html ) and there are even some arduino examples too ( http://thethingsystem.com/dev/Thing-Sensor-Reporting-Protocol.html ). But it seams to be a bit much work to get it compatible with mysensors (and I dont even know if I like TTS yet.. :) )
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@bjornhallberg Agree, I just looked at 'The thing system' but I cant even get the freakin thing to work (never used nodejs before...) but they do have a well documented tcp protocol ( http://thethingsystem.com/dev/Simple-Thing-Protocol.html ) and there are even some arduino examples too ( http://thethingsystem.com/dev/Thing-Sensor-Reporting-Protocol.html ). But it seams to be a bit much work to get it compatible with mysensors (and I dont even know if I like TTS yet.. :) )
@Damme TTS caught my eye the first time around, but I sort of dismissed it because it was node.js, immature, unheard of, and seemed reluctant to show much of its web gui. Seemed more like a concept and a bunch of techno babble. Also, support for a bunch of expensive commercial stuff that I'll never buy (Tesla cars anyone?). And, no smartphone apps (yet). I guess they're the sort of hipsters that like to run things in their smartphone browsers. But I can see the potential here. The web ui seems pretty snappy from their vimeo demo, and like you say, they have basically served up a functioning example of how to interface with an Arduino.
They sort of shut me up about user interfaces also. Their web ui is so different it seems to be from the future ;-)
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Anyone familiar with MQTT (Mqtt.org)? This is not a home automation system but functions as middleware that stores data. Clients can subscribe to topics or publish topics.
Topics are ordered in a directory-like structure, e.g /mysensors/node123/sensor6/temperature.I built a simple software gateway that routes sensor readings from a mysensors network to an MQTT broker, and routes actuator values from a MQTT broker back to the mysensors nodes.
Powerful rules can be created easily, like subscribe to a light sensor and a motion sensor and publish a light-switch-on when it is dark and motion is detected.
It might sound complex, but in reality is quite simple, super lightweight (runs easy peasy on RPI, see mosquito.org) and very scalable (brokers can be publish/subscribe to other brokers).
Only thing I still need is some UI to manually control sensors/actuators and edit rules ;-)
@Yveaux openHAB has binding for MQTT and it has GUI (html5 and mobile app).
https://github.com/openhab/openhab/wiki/MQTT-Binding
https://github.com/cdjackson/HABmin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEa-R0VZ-c -
@Yveaux openHAB has binding for MQTT and it has GUI (html5 and mobile app).
https://github.com/openhab/openhab/wiki/MQTT-Binding
https://github.com/cdjackson/HABmin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEa-R0VZ-c -
I have a little experience with it. I have it installed and running on a virtual machine. So far only sonos and xbmc binding started. Which works fine. Will add ZWave and rfxcom as soon as I get the time.
Learning threshold is a bit high at beginning but once you got the hang of it, it feels really smooth and you have full control. Im migrating from ver lite. -
Those that did try openHAB (and felt it was slow), what version of java did you use? Did changing versions make any difference?
I see that they recommend a very aggressive memory split also, leaving nothing for the GPU on the RPi. That is obviously impossible for those of us that also run the camera module.
Edit: Perhaps someone would be daring enough to try openHAB 2.0 if and when it works:
http://kaikreuzer.blogspot.com/2014/06/openhab-20-and-eclipse-smarthome.html
Includes HABmin, and ...A second major design goal of openHAB 2.x is the optimization for embedded platforms. Although openHAB 1.x works on a Raspberry Pi, it sometimes feels a bit sluggish at startup or with huge installations - this is due to the fact that openHAB had never been specifically optimized for embedded systems and thus uses libraries such as Xtext, which are not meant to be used in constrained environments. In consequence, we will try to provide a minimal openHAB runtime that will work with alternatives or strategies such as pre-compilation etc.
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Maybe I'll leave the topic a bit, because I don't use raspberry myself but a linux server for my 'brain' so I don't have any problem with 'slowness'.
I tried out openhab and actually likes it now, it is a bit ass to start up the configuration but then you learn it you'll easy put in new stuff. I might do a tutorial later on..But right now I'm looking at the communication between mysensors and openhab and yes I know there is one script written but I was thinking of making a new gateway software for the arduino.
using mqtt protocol that is supported in openhab, and has a arduino library http://knolleary.net/arduino-client-for-mqtt/ ( https://github.com/knolleary/pubsubclient )an alternative to mqtt is to write something completely new using tcp binding or so, but I think its inventing the wheel all over again.
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Maybe I'll leave the topic a bit, because I don't use raspberry myself but a linux server for my 'brain' so I don't have any problem with 'slowness'.
I tried out openhab and actually likes it now, it is a bit ass to start up the configuration but then you learn it you'll easy put in new stuff. I might do a tutorial later on..But right now I'm looking at the communication between mysensors and openhab and yes I know there is one script written but I was thinking of making a new gateway software for the arduino.
using mqtt protocol that is supported in openhab, and has a arduino library http://knolleary.net/arduino-client-for-mqtt/ ( https://github.com/knolleary/pubsubclient )an alternative to mqtt is to write something completely new using tcp binding or so, but I think its inventing the wheel all over again.
@Damme I use a standard Ethernet gateway for mysensors and convert the mysensors messages using a quite simple Perl script running on my server (also not using RPI, so who cares about performance ;-) ).
This script automatically publishes and subscribes to the mosquito MQTT broker, also running on the server. Works quite well!http://yveaux.blogspot.nl
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@Damme I use a standard Ethernet gateway for mysensors and convert the mysensors messages using a quite simple Perl script running on my server (also not using RPI, so who cares about performance ;-) ).
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@Yveaux do you want to share? I am still waiting for my ethernet sheild so I cant do much programming there yet but would be fun to try out the mqtt protocol.. :)
@Damme Ok, take a look at https://github.com/Yveaux/MySensors_MQTTGateway
No documentation or getting started yet, no time :-1: Sorry...http://yveaux.blogspot.nl
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@Damme Ok, take a look at https://github.com/Yveaux/MySensors_MQTTGateway
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@hek Thanks! But I really need to start on my blog to document all the stuff I do... I'm afraid it isn't really self-documentary...
@Yveaux I made it work but with lots of changes, first I use serial and not ethernet on the arduino, and then I didnt find the AnyEvent::MQTT, I use Net:MQTT instead. So basically its not much left of your original script, but it was just for testing MQTT a bit.
I think it would direcly in arduino..
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@Damme Ok, take a look at https://github.com/Yveaux/MySensors_MQTTGateway
No documentation or getting started yet, no time :-1: Sorry...@Yveaux I have the classic one : https://github.com/empierre/domoticz?files=1
but since you're perling I can contribute... and maybe add/create the imperihome rest intetface on top... but You'll have to overcome some isdues related to the absence of UI
z-wave - Vera -> Domoticz
rfx - Domoticz <- MyDomoAtHome <- Imperihome
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@Yveaux I have the classic one : https://github.com/empierre/domoticz?files=1
but since you're perling I can contribute... and maybe add/create the imperihome rest intetface on top... but You'll have to overcome some isdues related to the absence of UI
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@epierre I'm afraid I don't get you...
So you're on domoticz, and you already have a gateway to mysensors?
Why do you want to switch to MQTT then?
