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  • rollercontainerR Offline
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    #375

    I only come down to 12µA with one reed switch, 1MOhm pullup, 1Mhz bootloader and the binarySwitchSleepSketch. Measured with two different multimeters. This is nearly ten times higher than in the first posting. Changing all internal pullups to LOW doesn't change anything.

    Is there a way to optimize the power consumption or is it "good enough" ?

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    • rollercontainerR rollercontainer

      I only come down to 12µA with one reed switch, 1MOhm pullup, 1Mhz bootloader and the binarySwitchSleepSketch. Measured with two different multimeters. This is nearly ten times higher than in the first posting. Changing all internal pullups to LOW doesn't change anything.

      Is there a way to optimize the power consumption or is it "good enough" ?

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      AWI
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      #376

      @rollercontainer For sub 8uA consumption you need to go to "deep sleep" where the internal timers of the processor are disabled. Only wake up on interrupt. sleep( interrupt1, FALLING, 0);

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      • rollercontainerR rollercontainer

        I only come down to 12µA with one reed switch, 1MOhm pullup, 1Mhz bootloader and the binarySwitchSleepSketch. Measured with two different multimeters. This is nearly ten times higher than in the first posting. Changing all internal pullups to LOW doesn't change anything.

        Is there a way to optimize the power consumption or is it "good enough" ?

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        sundberg84
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        wrote on last edited by sundberg84
        #377

        @rollercontainer - I just build a slimnode and 13uA is without anything connected what i can reach as well.
        For comparison i aim below 100uA when i do this with pro mini and they last around a year with 2xAA so my guess is 13uA is good enough.

        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        • AWIA AWI

          @rollercontainer For sub 8uA consumption you need to go to "deep sleep" where the internal timers of the processor are disabled. Only wake up on interrupt. sleep( interrupt1, FALLING, 0);

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          #378

          @sundberg84: Thanks, so I will stick to my 12µA :-)

          @AWI: I am using sleep with Interrupt as in this example:

          sleep(PRIMARY_BUTTON_PIN-2, CHANGE, SECONDARY_BUTTON_PIN-2, CHANGE, 0);
          

          https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/blob/development/examples/BinarySwitchSleepSensor/BinarySwitchSleepSensor.ino#L120

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          • rollercontainerR rollercontainer

            @sundberg84: Thanks, so I will stick to my 12µA :-)

            @AWI: I am using sleep with Interrupt as in this example:

            sleep(PRIMARY_BUTTON_PIN-2, CHANGE, SECONDARY_BUTTON_PIN-2, CHANGE, 0);
            

            https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/blob/development/examples/BinarySwitchSleepSensor/BinarySwitchSleepSensor.ino#L120

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            @rollercontainer Your sleep looks good. Did you remove this piece of code?

            // Activate internal pull-ups
            	digitalWrite(PRIMARY_BUTTON_PIN, HIGH);
            	digitalWrite(SECONDARY_BUTTON_PIN, HIGH);
            

            Take a look at this thread for a < 1 uA consumption...

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              #380

              Since a few months I am very interested in Mysensors and this PCB. I have ordered the PCB and components to build some sensors as for a home security system. For experimental purpose I build one on a breadboard and that is working fine.
              A few days ago I started to solder the components on the PCB. The firs one is working fine, but the next sensors have an issue with the transceiver. After 3 boards failing I soldered one without the transceiver. Then I tested it by holding the transceiver at the board and it was working fine. After soldering the transceiver again a not working board.

              I tested one board by pressing another transceiver on top of the soldered one and I saw some communication in MYSController. The ATMega is still working on the breadboard. The PCB and Breadboard are powered by the same batterypack.

              Before soldering I tested all the transceivers with my breadboard and they are working fine. I am also using an anti-static bracelet.

              What am I doing wrong??
              0_1486492736615_1.jpg

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                #381

                Have you desoldered one radio to see if it's back alive again? What's your distance to Gateway? Maybe some filtering or antenna effect by your fingers and breadboard? What if you leave a working radio on the breadboard then just connect it with wires to PCB?

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                • m26872M m26872

                  Have you desoldered one radio to see if it's back alive again? What's your distance to Gateway? Maybe some filtering or antenna effect by your fingers and breadboard? What if you leave a working radio on the breadboard then just connect it with wires to PCB?

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                  @m26872
                  Distance is about 50cm. They are both on my desk. If testing then I do not tough the sensor. Just when trien pressing a radio an a non function radio.
                  I tried to de-solder the radio but did not succeed. Cut the pins, removed them and soldered wires to it. Connected to a new radio. Strange part is that the on very irregular basis message are received in MYSController. Also with a radio which is functioning well on the breadboard

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                    @m26872
                    Distance is about 50cm. They are both on my desk. If testing then I do not tough the sensor. Just when trien pressing a radio an a non function radio.
                    I tried to de-solder the radio but did not succeed. Cut the pins, removed them and soldered wires to it. Connected to a new radio. Strange part is that the on very irregular basis message are received in MYSController. Also with a radio which is functioning well on the breadboard

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                    @aneco - 50cm is a big problem for me! Its to close and the node - gw is having a hard time communicating for some reason. I wish I didnt set my gw up in the workplace where i build because every time im testing some node I have to go to the next room. Maybe you could try this?

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      @m26872 - I made this (but with the big motiondec, because my small ones didnt work so well due to clone/copy). Thanks for PCB, instructions and tutorials. Great work!

                      Node is running at 13uA without motiondetector attached and 90-95uA with the motion dec attached. Im happy with that and ill see how long the batteries last. When my small motion dec arrive I can just switch over.

                      0_1486553881423_1.jpg

                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                        @aneco - 50cm is a big problem for me! Its to close and the node - gw is having a hard time communicating for some reason. I wish I didnt set my gw up in the workplace where i build because every time im testing some node I have to go to the next room. Maybe you could try this?

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                        @sundberg84
                        The node on the breadboard is on the same desk and same distance to gateway. The same for my first sensor. And both are working well. Only issue with 4 sensors a soldered afterwords.

                        Just remember now that I used for the first sensor other solder. But do not think that this is causing the issue or .....

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                          Hello i wonder how you do then you put sensors outside mine stop work after a few hours i guess its becouse its cold here and maybe humitiy? then i take them inside for while it start working again. i think i need a waterprofe case or something

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                            Well, batteries and components have working temperatures so it depends how cold it gets over there

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                              Its one in the garage it is never below 0- C this one was alive the longest the other one was dead in 2-3days and maybe as coldest it was 10- C. I'm starting to think it's something wrong with the gateway

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                                If you reset either node or gateway, does it go back to work or what?

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                                  No it doesn't only sometimes

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                                    If it was the gateway you should stop receiving data from other sensors too, right?

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                                      @rollercontainer Your sleep looks good. Did you remove this piece of code?

                                      // Activate internal pull-ups
                                      	digitalWrite(PRIMARY_BUTTON_PIN, HIGH);
                                      	digitalWrite(SECONDARY_BUTTON_PIN, HIGH);
                                      

                                      Take a look at this thread for a < 1 uA consumption...

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                                      #392

                                      @AWI said in My Slim 2AA Battery Node:

                                      @rollercontainer Your sleep looks good. Did you remove this piece of code?

                                      // Activate internal pull-ups
                                      	digitalWrite(PRIMARY_BUTTON_PIN, HIGH);
                                      	digitalWrite(SECONDARY_BUTTON_PIN, HIGH);
                                      

                                      Take a look at this thread for a < 1 uA consumption...

                                      Hmm, I noticed, that I have to disable the internal pullups. But instead of removing the lines, I set them to LOW. I will test it without the lines and come back. Thank you @AWI.

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                                        #393

                                        Ok, just want to give you an update:

                                        I have 3 sensors running in the moment, initially I planned to run a lot more, but I still have problems with freezing of the sensors. The Sensors ran 2 months now until they were not coummunicating anymore, 1 is still working. I restarted 1 of the freezed sensors and it just came back up and works fine again, I leave the other one "freezed" just to see if it would come up again...

                                        It´s sad that they are not very reliable but I don´t get what makes them freeze after working quiet good for such a long time (they are reporting every 15 minutes 24/7 and whenever a window is opened/closed).

                                        I don´t think it´s a temp thing, also power should be no problem, batteries are still about 80 % loaded...

                                        still learning...

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                                          Maybe there is something like a counter (variable++) which causes a overflow after two month?

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