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  • m26872M Offline
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    m26872
    Hardware Contributor
    wrote on last edited by
    #86

    First Slim Node board donation from the DirtyPCB board share now sent. $12 to MySensors.org. Thanks to everyone that have ordered.

    Later credit draw will be in probably linger a bit. DirtyPCB seems to be somewhat of a non-profit community with manual attendance to all share credits. I almost got banned in my attempts to get a reply from them. In order to show my appreciation for their great service, I plan to only request further credits in quantities of 50. If the board not's been shared in a year a so, of course I'll make an exception.

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    • hekH Offline
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      hek
      Admin
      wrote on last edited by
      #87

      @m26872
      Thanks for the kind donation to the MySensors project. We'll use it to develop new fun things for the community!

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      • AWIA Offline
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        AWI
        Hero Member
        wrote on last edited by
        #88

        I was out of radio's, only a few "smd" types left which I mounted on the board with some patchwork ;-)

        upload-9bcfc8fe-4f7f-48ba-90dc-31443ed62f89

        Now even more space left in the (small) housing.

        upload-6b158358-0c6f-4983-89d4-16a13f9a87e9

        upload-b3b5aa3b-3e76-4690-a05c-49df931a6df7

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        • dakkyD Offline
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          dakky
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          #89

          Could u show a screen for the lockbits too? I have never set them before and need some guidance :D thanks

          Dakky

          Controller: Raspberry Pi 2 :: Openhab2 :: with @TimO MySensors Binding
          Gateway: Arduino MEGA 2560 R3 :: W5100 :: Ethernet GW

          Software: MySensors 2.0development

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          • dakkyD dakky

            Could u show a screen for the lockbits too? I have never set them before and need some guidance :D thanks

            Dakky

            m26872M Offline
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            m26872
            Hardware Contributor
            wrote on last edited by
            #90

            @dakky Done.

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            • Cliff KarlssonC Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #91

              Is this what you used to burn the bootloader?

              USB-programmer-AVRISP-mkII-mk2-clone-ATMEL-AVR-New

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              • m26872M Offline
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                m26872
                Hardware Contributor
                wrote on last edited by
                #92

                I use this. Maybe not so expensive when I bought it 15 months ago, but still. I remember I was mad after I'd failed a lot with avrdude and cheaper tools (uno).

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                • M Offline
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                  martkrui
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #93

                  Just received my boards from DirtyPCB :smile:
                  Enough for 10x3=30 sensors... :scream: The boards look nice. I think I can even skip the R&C's if I use the internal VCC measuring method but I'll have to scan the thread for that.

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                  • M martkrui

                    Just received my boards from DirtyPCB :smile:
                    Enough for 10x3=30 sensors... :scream: The boards look nice. I think I can even skip the R&C's if I use the internal VCC measuring method but I'll have to scan the thread for that.

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                    m26872
                    Hardware Contributor
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                    #94

                    @martkrui R1 and C2 are mandatory if you intend to use the 6 pin FTDI port (I think you do). C3 (ARef - Gnd) is primarily for when you use Adc external ref, but (if I remember correct) it stabilizes the Adc in general. C1 (Vcc - Gnd) is just the "near chip supply input capacitor" and could probably be left out if there are some other caps near the nRF.

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                    • dakkyD dakky

                      Could u show a screen for the lockbits too? I have never set them before and need some guidance :D thanks

                      Dakky

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #95

                      @dakky said:

                      Could u show a screen for the lockbits too? I have never set them before and need some guidance :D thanks

                      Dakky

                      I use ubuntu, and a tiny USB, so after I have flashed my arduino board, I run this avrdude command, that will run until battery is low

                      avrdude -c usbtiny -p m328p -U efuse:w:0x07:m
                      

                      I have bought usbtiny from this guy:
                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/USBtinyISP-V4-AVR-ISP-Programmer-Reliable-Plastic-Enclosure-/330824700564?hash=item4d06b05294

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                      • m26872M m26872

                        @ahmedadelhosni
                        I think it's a good idea! And an easy mod, but it's not on priority list atm. Someone else would get a quick start from my already published kicad-files.

                        The thought behind present design is that I didn't want anything to cover the antenna in any direction, but I doubt it would matter much in this suggested case. It'll be worse when it comes to the hight. Look at the photos. The nRF becomes too high for my enclosures if I use a socket, and the 328p with its socket is too high to fit under a nRF without its socket. The solution would be to remove the 328p socket and move the R and Cs to bottom side or somewhere else. And without a 328p socket, the 3x2 AVR ISP pins would become more important to keep. Otherwise the board could have been trimmed even more.

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                        wrote on last edited by ahmedadelhosni
                        #96

                        @m26872 Hi again. Just a small update regarding rotating the nrf.

                        I decided that in my designs I'll need the straight and rotated version, thus I'll design a small board to map the pin outputs like the image below. It will be above the ICSP pins but I really don't care about re flashing.

                        I'll order the board as soon as I finish pcb layout of some other boards and ship all at once.

                        Thanks.

                        upload-dbcd859c-7c4c-4e46-959c-e83314602bcd

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                        • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                          @m26872 Hi again. Just a small update regarding rotating the nrf.

                          I decided that in my designs I'll need the straight and rotated version, thus I'll design a small board to map the pin outputs like the image below. It will be above the ICSP pins but I really don't care about re flashing.

                          I'll order the board as soon as I finish pcb layout of some other boards and ship all at once.

                          Thanks.

                          upload-dbcd859c-7c4c-4e46-959c-e83314602bcd

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                          m26872
                          Hardware Contributor
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #97

                          @ahmedadelhosni You know that the nRF pins are not centered? That means if you rotate it like this it will no longer be straight above the "slim node motherboard".
                          What height do you expect it to be?

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                            dakky
                            wrote on last edited by dakky
                            #98

                            Another "noobish" question:
                            When using this bootloader, one cycle takes 8 seconds? What happens, if for example, a switch is pressed between? does this sensor detect this?

                            Controller: Raspberry Pi 2 :: Openhab2 :: with @TimO MySensors Binding
                            Gateway: Arduino MEGA 2560 R3 :: W5100 :: Ethernet GW

                            Software: MySensors 2.0development

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                            • dakkyD dakky

                              Another "noobish" question:
                              When using this bootloader, one cycle takes 8 seconds? What happens, if for example, a switch is pressed between? does this sensor detect this?

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                              m26872
                              Hardware Contributor
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #99

                              @dakky Plz correct me... but I guess you're talking about the Avr sleep cycles? I don't know what that's got to do with the bootloader or this thread. I think it's related to interrupt, timers, mysensors and arduino lowpower library. The sleep cycles shouldn't be something to worry about if you're using the "sleep" function as in MySensors API.

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                              • m26872M m26872

                                @dakky Plz correct me... but I guess you're talking about the Avr sleep cycles? I don't know what that's got to do with the bootloader or this thread. I think it's related to interrupt, timers, mysensors and arduino lowpower library. The sleep cycles shouldn't be something to worry about if you're using the "sleep" function as in MySensors API.

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                                dakky
                                wrote on last edited by dakky
                                #100

                                @m26872 hmm you're right. maybe this is a too generic question to be discussed here. pardon me.

                                Controller: Raspberry Pi 2 :: Openhab2 :: with @TimO MySensors Binding
                                Gateway: Arduino MEGA 2560 R3 :: W5100 :: Ethernet GW

                                Software: MySensors 2.0development

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                                  martkrui
                                  wrote on last edited by martkrui
                                  #101

                                  I had a bit of an issue getting things going as I've never played with the fuses before. Maybe this can save someone else some time. If I'm doing something silly here please correct me. :sweat_smile:

                                  [DISCLAIMER] this worked for me. Use at own risk[DISCLAIMER]

                                  Executed these commands from the subfolder \hardware\tools\avr\bin of my local arduino IDE.
                                  Connected the board ICSP using an USBASP with the latest firmware. Change the "-c usbasp" part if you connect using something else.

                                  Flash bootloader

                                  avrdude -C ../etc/avrdude.conf -c usbasp -B5 -p ATmega328P -U flash:w:..\..\..\arduino\avr\bootloaders\atmega\atmega328_1a.hex
                                  

                                  Set fuses

                                  avrdude -C ../etc/avrdude.conf -c usbasp -B5 -p ATmega328P -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0xDE:m -U efuse:w:0x07:m -U lock:w:0x2F:m
                                  
                                  

                                  I think the B5 was crucial as it slows things down a bit. The bootloader (atmega328_1a.hex) is the one mentioned in the first post. I also added the part in the boards.txt of the arduino IDE.

                                  Now I can connect the board to the FTDI and upload and run sketches without issues.

                                  On to the next step :smiley: :+1:

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                                    dakky
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #102

                                    I am not so really skilled in transferring a wiring diagram to "real live". Is this the correct implementation for battery measuring?

                                    upload-8e188148-e6c0-44ef-9b8c-a01fe9cd1c3a

                                    Controller: Raspberry Pi 2 :: Openhab2 :: with @TimO MySensors Binding
                                    Gateway: Arduino MEGA 2560 R3 :: W5100 :: Ethernet GW

                                    Software: MySensors 2.0development

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                                    • dakkyD dakky

                                      I am not so really skilled in transferring a wiring diagram to "real live". Is this the correct implementation for battery measuring?

                                      upload-8e188148-e6c0-44ef-9b8c-a01fe9cd1c3a

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                                      m26872
                                      Hardware Contributor
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #103

                                      @dakky First, the "normal" battery monitoring to this node is to use the internal method by, if you like, using the vcc library. Measuring Vcc with external voltage divider makes not a lot of sense. The external voltage divider is useful when measuring e.g. raw battery voltage to some voltage regulator.
                                      Second, I think you've switched A0 and Gnd in your drawing.

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                                        dakky
                                        wrote on last edited by dakky
                                        #104

                                        hurm did i switch them?
                                        Concerning the method: hmm ok. I just thought, that the one recommenced in the build section of mysensors should be the "correct" one.

                                        EDIT: Hrhr @Yveaux vcc lib is cute :D workd out of the box ;) thx

                                        Controller: Raspberry Pi 2 :: Openhab2 :: with @TimO MySensors Binding
                                        Gateway: Arduino MEGA 2560 R3 :: W5100 :: Ethernet GW

                                        Software: MySensors 2.0development

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                                          arnoldg
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                                          #105

                                          Is there some one who have lying around several boards, who can share them with me.
                                          i'm from the netherlands, and for now i only need 5 to 6 boards, not 30 :)

                                          so i hope i could take over a couple from someone.

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