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💬 Carte Fil Pilote MySensors NRF24L01

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    napo7
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    I saw that the HW version is more powerfull so I went to it. I use 868mhz, i think it's a bit less polluted than 433.

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      napo7
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      @Fabien, j'ai fait quelques recherches, et je suis tombé sur çe messages sur un blog :
      http://www.looic.com/2016/02/pilotage-de-radiateurs-electriques-par-domoticz-le-materiel/

      En resumé, un module ZWave existe pour gérer le fil pilote. Comme le ZWave n'est par contre pas prévu, lui, pour ce protocole, ils ont faire reconnaitre le module comme un variateur de lumière.
      Ainsi, les ordres varient de 0 à 100% par tranche de 10%, la dernière tranche allant de 50 à 100%, par ordre de "puissance" du chauffage : arret, hors gel, eco (qui est souvent égal à confort -3°), confort -2°, confort -3°, confort
      Ingénieux ;)

      Ensuite, il "suffit" dans domoticz de gérer des programmations journalière/hebdo afin d'envoyer aux heures voulues, et aux chauffages voulus, les ordres de variation qui vont bien (0%, 10%, 20%, etc....)

      Voila une solution qui me plait !

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        bbarriere
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        #11

        Hi,

        Concerning Sketch for this board ( i have designed a similar board) 2 switchs on/off is discovered for 2 MOC 3041.
        Next i am using a virtual variator switch that run a lua script driving the 2 switchs.

        Next upgrade, managed the confort -1 and confort -2 orders

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        • N napo7

          @Fabien, j'ai fait quelques recherches, et je suis tombé sur çe messages sur un blog :
          http://www.looic.com/2016/02/pilotage-de-radiateurs-electriques-par-domoticz-le-materiel/

          En resumé, un module ZWave existe pour gérer le fil pilote. Comme le ZWave n'est par contre pas prévu, lui, pour ce protocole, ils ont faire reconnaitre le module comme un variateur de lumière.
          Ainsi, les ordres varient de 0 à 100% par tranche de 10%, la dernière tranche allant de 50 à 100%, par ordre de "puissance" du chauffage : arret, hors gel, eco (qui est souvent égal à confort -3°), confort -2°, confort -3°, confort
          Ingénieux ;)

          Ensuite, il "suffit" dans domoticz de gérer des programmations journalière/hebdo afin d'envoyer aux heures voulues, et aux chauffages voulus, les ordres de variation qui vont bien (0%, 10%, 20%, etc....)

          Voila une solution qui me plait !

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          Fabien
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          @napo7 said in 💬 Carte Fil Pilote MySensors NRF24L01:

          @Fabien, j'ai fait quelques recherches, et je suis tombé sur çe messages sur un blog :
          http://www.looic.com/2016/02/pilotage-de-radiateurs-electriques-par-domoticz-le-materiel/

          En resumé, un module ZWave existe pour gérer le fil pilote. Comme le ZWave n'est par contre pas prévu, lui, pour ce protocole, ils ont faire reconnaitre le module comme un variateur de lumière.
          Ainsi, les ordres varient de 0 à 100% par tranche de 10%, la dernière tranche allant de 50 à 100%, par ordre de "puissance" du chauffage : arret, hors gel, eco (qui est souvent égal à confort -3°), confort -2°, confort -3°, confort
          Ingénieux ;)

          Ensuite, il "suffit" dans domoticz de gérer des programmations journalière/hebdo afin d'envoyer aux heures voulues, et aux chauffages voulus, les ordres de variation qui vont bien (0%, 10%, 20%, etc....)

          Voila une solution qui me plait !

          Cette solution pourrait être discutable mais par soucis de compatibilité avec les widgets des controlleurs, je vais utiliser la même chose.

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            hek
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            Please guys, keep it in english.

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              napo7
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              wrote on last edited by napo7
              #14

              @bbarriere, this solution is the one I was using with my previous home automation software.
              It is Ok, but not really transparent for most softwares...
              I prefer the ZWAVE Qubino solution which I find more beautiful : The heater is seen as a variable light, when you choose a variation value (between 0 and 100%) , it is associated with an order... Neat and clever :)

              @hek, I understand that the forum is English, but since this solution is purely for french appliances, I though we could discuss in french :)

              @Fabien said in 💬 Carte Fil Pilote MySensors NRF24L01:

              Cette solution pourrait être discutable mais par soucis de compatibilité avec les widgets des controlleurs, je vais utiliser la mê

              Cependant, peut etre que certains controleurs supportent des appareils "radiateurs" de type variable ?

              However, perhaps some controlers do support heater devices of "variable" kind ?

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                @hek ok but it could be useful to have localized sub-forum if community is big enough (French, Deutsh, Spanish ...) with some moderators. Sometimes I don't answer because it takes me more time in english.

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                  Bonjour LemarinelNet,

                  As-tu une idée de boitier ?

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                    napo7
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                    #17

                    Salut,

                    Non, je n'ai pas d'idée de boitier .
                    Mon projet initial était de cacher ce montage dans la cloison, donc inaccessible à l'utilisateur normal.

                    Ca ne serait pas très compliqué ni couteux d'imprimer un petit boitier via une imprimante 3D!

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                      scalz
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                      Hey guys!

                      If you can try to keep things in English, that would be great!
                      for Mysensors creator at least :) and the rules paragraph 6 https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/610/forum-user-guidelines
                      And also because that looks messy..

                      I know there are no sub language forums and i don't know if there will be, but don't show that French are english lazy! No shame lol
                      I'm french too ;) Imho i prefer english, because it's more universal for sharing.

                      I'm not big fan of translating foreign language i don't know..so if there would be sub german etc.. i would never read it, no time to spend with google translate. So i could miss nice stuff, or little nice tips in comments. Plus trickier moderation i can imagine.

                      I hope you understand. For the moment it's like this, who knows in future.

                      Translation in french..

                      I'm joking :)

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                        Nca78
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                        I'm French too and I completely agree with scalz.
                        Language-specific subforums would just restrict everyone's access to useful information.

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                          roondar
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                          @LemarinelNet
                          Do you have a 3D Printer ? Can you design a box ?

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                            napo7
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                            Yes I have ;)

                            I can also designa box, I should do one ! It's not serious to put a circuit with live voltage without protection !

                            I'll try to design a box as soon I'll can.

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                              Hi napo7,
                              First off all congratulation for all the work you did so far and the sharing! I'd be glad to discuss with you directly (I'm French too ;-))

                              I'm also in the process of designing such kind of board.
                              I thought of using a standard Legrand derivation box (sorry for the awkward translation but I mean "boite de derivation" in plain French). This kind of box are dedicated to this kind of purpose, hide live wire that would be exposed otherwise.
                              I guess 3D printing is not a bad idea in essence but it's not secure; in my opinion it would melt too easily in case of electrical disorder on the 220V parts.

                              Other question: Why are you moving from nrf to RFM69?

                              Congrats again dude, you rule!

                              Cheers,
                              Marc

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                                marc
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                                Please disregard my question about you moving from nrf > RFM69, I load the oldest post and got my answer.

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                                  napo7
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                                  Yes, you're probably right ! The ABS used in printing starts to melt at about 185°. I don't know for Legrand boxes !

                                  I don't know how we could manage to exchange our mail addresses ? No PM system on mysensors forum !?

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                                    Yes, you're probably right ! The ABS used in printing starts to melt at about 185°. I don't know for Legrand boxes !

                                    I don't know how we could manage to exchange our mail addresses ? No PM system on mysensors forum !?

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                                    tonnerre33
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                                    @napo7 You can use the chat for speak with marc ;)
                                    For legrand boxes, if you apply 650°C during x secondes, the box will not burn or participate in the spread of a fire ;)
                                    more informations at http://www.leblogdubatiment.com/22/09/2014/actualites-batiment-securite-incendie-quelle-est-la-norme-de-resistance-au-feu-des-luminaires/organismes-du-batiment/#.WJOElH--WUk

                                    We need to look the temperature of the Auto-ignition and not the melt temperature for each material.

                                    With PLA it's 388°C and around 500°C for ABS technologie

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                                      @napo7

                                      I'll follow up your project

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                                        napo7
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                                        PCBs are out of factory.
                                        I should receive them in 2-3 weeks.

                                        Stay in touch ;)

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                                          Hi guys

                                          Any news on that subject ?

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