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    Toyman
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    #1458

    Guys, help me understand: when do I need to enable DC-DC?
    My breakout board consists of Ebyte module and a couple of buttons. Battery is CR2450 directly connected to the module.
    Do I need DC-DC?

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      Guys, help me understand: when do I need to enable DC-DC?
      My breakout board consists of Ebyte module and a couple of buttons. Battery is CR2450 directly connected to the module.
      Do I need DC-DC?

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      NeverDie
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      #1459

      @toyman With DC-DC, it uses roughly half the current during Tx and Rx. Seems like a no brainer to me, but you don't literally "need" to have it. I'm not aware of any downsides to it.

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        @toyman With DC-DC, it uses roughly half the current during Tx and Rx. Seems like a no brainer to me, but you don't literally "need" to have it. I'm not aware of any downsides to it.

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        Toyman
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        @neverdie thx. What is needed hardware-wise? Two inductors between dc and dec4? Like in your breakout board?

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          @neverdie thx. What is needed hardware-wise? Two inductors between dc and dec4? Like in your breakout board?

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          NeverDie
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          #1461

          @toyman Correct. You can review the schematic for this project: https://www.openhardware.io/view/472/Ebyte-nRF52832-Prototyping-Board

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            korttoma
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            #1462

            I guess this is why I cant get LPCOMP to work on the device.

            Eight input options (AIN0 to AIN7)
            

            I would have to use the analog inputs because pin 28 is just a general purpose I/O pin.

            0_1521609771691_nrf51822-beacon-schematic.png

            0_1521609830464_nrf51822-beacon-schematic2.png

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              Toyman
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              #1463

              ebyte module is currently on sale at roughly $2.5
              Total bargain!

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                I guess this is why I cant get LPCOMP to work on the device.

                Eight input options (AIN0 to AIN7)
                

                I would have to use the analog inputs because pin 28 is just a general purpose I/O pin.

                0_1521609771691_nrf51822-beacon-schematic.png

                0_1521609830464_nrf51822-beacon-schematic2.png

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                Nca78
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                #1464

                @korttoma using MySensors NRF5 boards you should be able to assign one AINx pin to physical pin 28.
                The index you need to put in the code is the AIN index not the pin number.

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                • Nca78N Nca78

                  @korttoma using MySensors NRF5 boards you should be able to assign one AINx pin to physical pin 28.
                  The index you need to put in the code is the AIN index not the pin number.

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                  korttoma
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                  #1465

                  @nca78 sorry but I cannot figure out how to do this. Should I do it in the MyBoardNRF5.cpp, MyBoardNRF5.h or in the sketch?

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                  • korttomaK korttoma

                    @nca78 sorry but I cannot figure out how to do this. Should I do it in the MyBoardNRF5.cpp, MyBoardNRF5.h or in the sketch?

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                    Nca78
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                    wrote on last edited by Nca78
                    #1466

                    @korttoma sorry I said stupid things as I'm a beginner too, you can't reassign analog inputs and LPCOMP to different pins on NRF5 chips.

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                    • Nca78N Nca78

                      @korttoma sorry I said stupid things as I'm a beginner too, you can't reassign analog inputs and LPCOMP to different pins on NRF5 chips.

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                      korttoma
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                      @nca78 it is ok, I think I will have to set up a test system with a different device with witch I can measure current consumption, attach serial logging and then try to fiddle with the code. I'm flying in the dark with this bluetooth beacon device since I cannot access any pins.

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                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                        @toyman Correct. You can review the schematic for this project: https://www.openhardware.io/view/472/Ebyte-nRF52832-Prototyping-Board

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                        Toyman
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                        #1468

                        @neverdie thx. Why don't you have a capacitor between DEC4 to GND? I can see only 2 inductors, while Nordic power guidelines prescribe an LC filter between DCC and DEC, ie inductors and a capacitor. nrf52dk also has it.

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                        • T Toyman

                          @neverdie thx. Why don't you have a capacitor between DEC4 to GND? I can see only 2 inductors, while Nordic power guidelines prescribe an LC filter between DCC and DEC, ie inductors and a capacitor. nrf52dk also has it.

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                          NeverDie
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                          #1469

                          @toyman I guess I made an error then. Thanks for pointing that out. In general, I haven't gotten much feedback on the PCB's that I've posted, so any feedback is always appreciated. :)

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                          • NeverDieN NeverDie

                            @toyman I guess I made an error then. Thanks for pointing that out. In general, I haven't gotten much feedback on the PCB's that I've posted, so any feedback is always appreciated. :)

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                            Omemanti
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                            #1470

                            @neverdie Question is, did the DC/DC still work without the cap?

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                              @neverdie Question is, did the DC/DC still work without the cap?

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                              NeverDie
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                              wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                              #1471

                              @omemanti said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              @neverdie Question is, did the DC/DC still work without the cap?

                              I believe it did. If you look at: https://www.openhardware.io/view/471/Ebyte-nRF52832-Small-Breakout-Board
                              which has the inductors soldered on, I believe that is the one that I tested. Enough time has passed though that I can't be 100% sure now. I made a number of different variations, and I didn't post all of them.

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                                @omemanti said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                @neverdie Question is, did the DC/DC still work without the cap?

                                I believe it did. If you look at: https://www.openhardware.io/view/471/Ebyte-nRF52832-Small-Breakout-Board
                                which has the inductors soldered on, I believe that is the one that I tested. Enough time has passed though that I can't be 100% sure now. I made a number of different variations, and I didn't post all of them.

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                                #1472

                                @neverdie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                nough time has passed though that I can't be 100% sure now. I made a number of different variations, and I didn't post all of them

                                I used your schematic for a PCB I ordered yesterday :), did saw the post about the cap until it was too late :(
                                part of the game!

                                Edit: according to your post https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6961/nrf5-bluetooth-action/797 it did work

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                                • Nca78N Nca78

                                  @korttoma have you tried the code @NeverDie put together using the LPCOMP ? With a QFAAH0 (which I believe is the same version than QFABC0, but with 256K flash) he went down to something like 4µA.
                                  From the document you link, anomaly 70, it will be necessary to add an extra wait of 36us after that line, it's strange that @NeverDie never had any problem with it. Or maybe I misunderstand the document :)

                                  void activateLpComp() {
                                  ...
                                    while (!(NRF_LPCOMP->EVENTS_READY)) {}  //wait until ready
                                  ...
                                  }
                                  

                                  Test code from @NeverDie using LPCOMP is here:
                                  https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/6961/nrf5-bluetooth-action/1307

                                  I will try it on my board (using a module with QFAAH0) tomorrow, if power consumption is as low as expected I'll try on the beacon board.

                                  [Edit] Just checked quickly my "beacon" board and it's using a QFAAH1 chip (made in 2017), so the test might not be relevant...

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                                  Nca78
                                  Hardware Contributor
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                                  @nca78 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                  I will try it on my board (using a module with QFAAH0) tomorrow, if power consumption is as low as expected I'll try on the beacon board.

                                  @NeverDie I have tried the sketch nearly unchanged (only changed to lines because I use pin P0.01 so AIN2) and my current consumption is a bit over 30uA, do you have any idea of what I should check ? (I tried with both versions 0.1 and 0.3 of MySensors NRF5 boards).
                                  At the moment my board only has a led and a DRV5032FB (<<1uA) in addition to the nrf51 module.

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                                    Toyman
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                                    Just to close the loop on DC-DC:

                                    http://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.nordic.infocenter.nrf52832.ps.v1.1%2Fpower.html&anchor=concept

                                    Figure 2

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                                    • Nca78N Nca78

                                      @nca78 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                      I will try it on my board (using a module with QFAAH0) tomorrow, if power consumption is as low as expected I'll try on the beacon board.

                                      @NeverDie I have tried the sketch nearly unchanged (only changed to lines because I use pin P0.01 so AIN2) and my current consumption is a bit over 30uA, do you have any idea of what I should check ? (I tried with both versions 0.1 and 0.3 of MySensors NRF5 boards).
                                      At the moment my board only has a led and a DRV5032FB (<<1uA) in addition to the nrf51 module.

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                                      NeverDie
                                      Hero Member
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                                      @nca78 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                      do you have any idea of what I should check ?

                                      Have you tried disabling serial?

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                                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                        @nca78 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        do you have any idea of what I should check ?

                                        Have you tried disabling serial?

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                                        Nca78
                                        Hardware Contributor
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                                        @neverdie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                        Have you tried disabling serial?

                                        Your code does it.

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                                          NeverDie
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                                          #1477

                                          Unsure then.

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