nRF5 action!
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Even if you're not using the regulator and the CP2102 usb-serial converter there are some leakage currents which are caused by the output stages of those IC's. For example the output stage of the voltage regulator can draw some even if it's not powered. The CP2102 can draw also through the TXD1/RXD1/SUSPEND1 LEDs and the associated GPIO pins P0.11, P0.09, etc.
So to prove and test that the above it's true you need to:
- Desolder the RT9193-33 or at least its output pin(Vout pin 5)
- Desolder R6, R7, R10
This is what I can conclude by looking at that schematic. Any other opinions?
@mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
Any other opinions?
Yes. If it really matters that much, RMTucker should buy or make a uCurrent Gold. Otherwise, he'll find hmself chasing phantoms. I have a Fluke 87V, and I don't trust it to do these types of measurements (I've tried, and the results are just wrong when compared to a uCurrent Gold). I would trust a crappy multimeter even less. Been there and tried that already.
Just my two cents.
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@mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
Any other opinions?
Yes. If it really matters that much, RMTucker should buy or make a uCurrent Gold. Otherwise, he'll find hmself chasing phantoms. I have a Fluke 87V, and I don't trust it to do these types of measurements (I've tried, and the results are just wrong when compared to a uCurrent Gold). I would trust a crappy multimeter even less. Been there and tried that already.
Just my two cents.
BTW, uCurrent Gold is open source. I have an original, but you can buy clones. For instance, LowPowerLab sells a clone. You might get it faster than ordering from Australia.... unless you live in Australia. Dave Jones did a video for me once, and so I thought he deserved the profit instead of somebody else. :)
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@mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
Any other opinions?
Yes. If it really matters that much, RMTucker should buy or make a uCurrent Gold. Otherwise, he'll find hmself chasing phantoms. I have a Fluke 87V, and I don't trust it to do these types of measurements (I've tried, and the results are just wrong when compared to a uCurrent Gold). I would trust a crappy multimeter even less. Been there and tried that already.
Just my two cents.
@NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
@mtiutiu said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
Any other opinions?
Yes. If it really matters that much, RMTucker should buy or make a uCurrent Gold. Otherwise, he'll find hmself chasing phantoms. I have a Fluke 87V, and I don't trust it to do these types of measurements (I've tried, and the results are just wrong when compared to a uCurrent Gold). I would trust a crappy multimeter even less. Been there and tried that already.
Just my two cents.
It just depends on the burden voltage, no ? It's proportional to current in the circuit so in sleep mode when measuring around 10 uA it should be negligible.
Anyway I measure when powered with 3.3V so I'm sure what I measure is higher than what I will get in reality when circuit is powered with a 3V battery. -
For measuring small currents I'm using Texas Instruments EnergyTrace piece of technology and it works pretty well. You just need one of their development boards with energytrace special microcontroller embedded which is very cheap. More infos here: http://43oh.com/2015/09/how-to-measure-an-energia-applications-power-usage-with-energytrace/
It can be used to measure other boards power usage also - you just need to take of some jumpers and plug in your external board.
It gives you real time energy measurements and with plotting too(and battery life estimation is displayed real time too). No need to worry about burden voltage and other external factors which affect the measurements.
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For measuring small currents I'm using Texas Instruments EnergyTrace piece of technology and it works pretty well. You just need one of their development boards with energytrace special microcontroller embedded which is very cheap. More infos here: http://43oh.com/2015/09/how-to-measure-an-energia-applications-power-usage-with-energytrace/
It can be used to measure other boards power usage also - you just need to take of some jumpers and plug in your external board.
It gives you real time energy measurements and with plotting too(and battery life estimation is displayed real time too). No need to worry about burden voltage and other external factors which affect the measurements.
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@mtiutiu
I think maybe the nRF52 DK also has some energy measurement capability, but I haven't looked into it. -
Looks like I was wrong earlier about the voltage reference being Vcc when doing an analog read on a pin. Instead, it seems to be a fixed reference. In any case, I'm getting better results with an expression like this, which is independent of Vcc:
millivolts = (analogRead(PIN)*3000/4095)
What are others here doing in this case?
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Looks like I was wrong earlier about the voltage reference being Vcc when doing an analog read on a pin. Instead, it seems to be a fixed reference. In any case, I'm getting better results with an expression like this, which is independent of Vcc:
millivolts = (analogRead(PIN)*3000/4095)
What are others here doing in this case?
@NeverDie
As mentioned earlier by someone the nrf52 is preset to 0.6v internal ref and a 1/5 divider so 0 - 3v is the max input so your calculation is correct.
The nrf51 is different because the ref can be set to a few different settings but the default is vdd. -
I don't think sendSignalStrength function is implemented yet, but you should be able to get this info with:
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@Toyman
it has been explained above in the topic ;)
you have to follow -
I don't think sendSignalStrength function is implemented yet, but you should be able to get this info with:
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@Toyman
it has been explained above in the topic ;)
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Regarding the PCB/KiCad comments.
I was trying out KiCad and copied the NRF52832 DC/DC schematic from the datasheet.It might be of help for someone.
https://github.com/Omemanti/KiCAD/tree/master/NRF52832PS. been at KiCad for a couple of hours, been used to Eagle, so please double check.
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@NeverDie
As mentioned earlier by someone the nrf52 is preset to 0.6v internal ref and a 1/5 divider so 0 - 3v is the max input so your calculation is correct.
The nrf51 is different because the ref can be set to a few different settings but the default is vdd.@rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:
@NeverDie
As mentioned earlier by someone the nrf52 is preset to 0.6v internal ref and a 1/5 divider so 0 - 3v is the max input so your calculation is correct.
The nrf51 is different because the ref can be set to a few different settings but the default is vdd.I've lately found that I seem to get a more accurate measurement if I multiply by 3131 instead of 3000. Just an empirical result with no real theory behind it.
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What's going to be the best way to reduce the sleep current and Tx current on the nRF52? Since I'm feeding off a supercap for power, it's noticeably worse (by an order of magnitude) on the same task than the atmega328p+rfm69 combo. I've already increased the datarate to 2mbps, and it's inherently lower Tx current should give it a natural advantage.
I guess I'll try reducing Tx power and see if that makes much of a dent....
I suppose reducing 3 separate packets to one single packet, and maybe turning off ACK requests might also help. Then, maybe all of the LONG_WAIT's can be eliminated. Is the radio still awake even if the CPU is sleeping during a "wait" period? If so, that might be a large chunk of the wasted power.
I wonder if the mysensors mesh networking (which I don't intend to use) might be getting in the way, and possibly keeping it awake longer than it otherwise would be? Can I disable the mysensors meshnetworking just to be sure?
Sorry for the shotgun blast of questions, but I'm trying to get a sense of what will yield the highest payoff.
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Since I'll be reducing Tx power in an attempt to reduce current consumption, I'll be using a scanner program to try to find empty channels. The only one I know of is: https://github.com/nRF24/RF24/tree/master/examples/scanner
for the nRF24L01, but it seems to work well enough if you let it run awhile. Anyone else using one that they like?
