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  • NeverDieN NeverDie

    @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

    @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

    @rmtucker
    How are you measuring how long it's sleeping?

    Just using hwMillis() before and after sleep and subtracting one from the other.
    It was just reading + 250ms until @d00616 commited some changes a few hours ago.

    I thought so. The point being: doesn't millis stop when you're deep sleeping? Well, at least on an Arduino it does. Not sure what it does on the nRF5.

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    wrote on last edited by rmtucker
    #755

    @NeverDie
    No the nrf5 has a rtc.(Real time Counter)
    It can even keep time while sleeping.(just found this out myself!).
    That is a great leap forward on the arduino.

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    • rmtuckerR rmtucker

      @NeverDie
      No the nrf5 has a rtc.(Real time Counter)
      It can even keep time while sleeping.(just found this out myself!).
      That is a great leap forward on the arduino.

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      #756

      Try it just print the time out then put it to sleep for a minute then print the time out again.

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      • rmtuckerR rmtucker

        Try it just print the time out then put it to sleep for a minute then print the time out again.

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        #757

        The problem must be this line but i don't speak nrf5.:frowning:

        			// (1000/32768)<<12 == 125
        			MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);```
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        • rmtuckerR rmtucker

          The problem must be this line but i don't speak nrf5.:frowning:

          			// (1000/32768)<<12 == 125
          			MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);```
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          wrote on last edited by rmtucker
          #758

          The only other thing it could be is the deletion of this line in the commit.

          
          nrf5_rtc_event_triggered = false 
          
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          • d00616D d00616

            @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

            Thanks! I just now ordered one of your boards so that in the future we can share a common platform for comparing numbers.

            Ok. I have measured my Ebyte with the same sketch and in the µA range of my VC165 multimeter. Sleep current is 9.9µA with two ports in INPUT_PULLUP and one Port in OUTPUT_H0H1 mode. (b.t.w. this module costs actually 3,82€)

            @scalz said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

            in that case, you need to set it as a floating input i think, like it's generally at reset.
            In datasheet, section 20 (p111), is explained how works the GPIO. You have a Bit for disconnecting it. See the PIN_CNF[n] registers. For instance, p.140, you can see how it looks for the P0.10, and the Bit 1.
            This should do the job..

            Should I add a DISCONNECTED mode to hwPinMode()?

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            @d00616

            MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);

            Should be:-

            MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max(((ms << 12) / 125), 2));

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            • rmtuckerR rmtucker

              @d00616

              MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);

              Should be:-

              MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max(((ms << 12) / 125), 2));

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              wrote on last edited by
              #760

              @d00616

              Just checked and it now returns 10002 for a sleep(10000).
              Much better after the above alteration.

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                #761

                Epilog: I made the changes so that just prior to taking a measurement the sense pin is hwPinMode'd to an input pin, and then immediately after the measurement I disconnect it. Seems to be working, and without the usurious power drain I was experiencing previously. :)

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                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                  Epilog: I made the changes so that just prior to taking a measurement the sense pin is hwPinMode'd to an input pin, and then immediately after the measurement I disconnect it. Seems to be working, and without the usurious power drain I was experiencing previously. :)

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                  @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                  Epilog: I made the changes so that just prior to taking a measurement the sense pin is hwPinMode'd to an input pin, and then immediately after the measurement I disconnect it. Seems to be working, and without the usurious power drain I was experiencing previously. :)

                  Good news
                  So what is the current usage now when sleeping?

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                  • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                    @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                    Epilog: I made the changes so that just prior to taking a measurement the sense pin is hwPinMode'd to an input pin, and then immediately after the measurement I disconnect it. Seems to be working, and without the usurious power drain I was experiencing previously. :)

                    Good news
                    So what is the current usage now when sleeping?

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                    @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                    @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                    Epilog: I made the changes so that just prior to taking a measurement the sense pin is hwPinMode'd to an input pin, and then immediately after the measurement I disconnect it. Seems to be working, and without the usurious power drain I was experiencing previously. :)

                    Good news
                    So what is the current usage now when sleeping?

                    About 6ua on this particular Ebyte nRF52832. I'm pretty sure it would be higher on my other Ebyte nRF52832, though I haven't measured it again. Haven't tested any additional ones as of yet.

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                    • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                      @d00616

                      MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);

                      Should be:-

                      MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max(((ms << 12) / 125), 2));

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                      @rmtucker very nice work, thanks for locating the problem.

                      It occurs because 12/125 will be evaluated before the bit shift. http://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/operator_precedence for details.

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                      • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                        @d00616

                        MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);

                        Should be:-

                        MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max(((ms << 12) / 125), 2));

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                        @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                        MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max((ms<<12 / 125), 2);
                        Should be:-
                        MY_HW_RTC->CC[0] = max(((ms << 12) / 125), 2));

                        Thank you. This was the result of merging some commits. I haven't seen I reversed that change. I had tested the code before merging some commits into one.

                        Actually I check the result of sleep(511999) and sleep(512001). When it's finished I fix that in MySensors.

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                        • scalzS scalz

                          for unused pins, it should be floating, not pullup. set the pin register you need to 0x02.
                          Something like that
                          NRF_GPIO->PIN_CNF[ulPin] = 0x02;
                          that will put pin in same state like it's on reset. Everything disabled/default, floating, with disconnect bit set.
                          (see datasheet gpio).

                          @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                          Should I add a DISCONNECTED mode to hwPinMode()?

                          make sense to have it for input too.. i agree :simple_smile:

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                          @scalz said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                          @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                          Should I add a DISCONNECTED mode to hwPinMode()?

                          make sense to have it for input too.. i agree

                          What's the best name for this mode? DISCONNECTED or INPUT_DISCONNECTED. I prefer the first variant.

                          I have to play a little bit with the port modes. Maybe it saves some current when the serial port pins are put into the disconnected mode while sleeping.

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                            @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                            Actually I check the result of sleep(511999) and sleep(512001). When it's finished I fix that in MySensors.

                            Is fixed in development branch.
                            https://github.com/mysensors/MySensors/pull/917

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                            • d00616D d00616

                              @scalz said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              Should I add a DISCONNECTED mode to hwPinMode()?

                              make sense to have it for input too.. i agree

                              What's the best name for this mode? DISCONNECTED or INPUT_DISCONNECTED. I prefer the first variant.

                              I have to play a little bit with the port modes. Maybe it saves some current when the serial port pins are put into the disconnected mode while sleeping.

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                              @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              @scalz said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              @d00616 said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                              Should I add a DISCONNECTED mode to hwPinMode()?

                              make sense to have it for input too.. i agree

                              What's the best name for this mode? DISCONNECTED or INPUT_DISCONNECTED. I prefer the first variant.

                              I have to play a little bit with the port modes. Maybe it saves some current when the serial port pins are put into the disconnected mode while sleeping.

                              agree too for the first one should be enough :simple_smile:
                              yes, for lower power consumption, better disconnect pins which are not needed.
                              it's the same for a simple 328p though (setting the right pin states).

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                                As a follow-up to rmtucker's line of inquiry, what is currently the shortest deep sleep that's supported? Is it one millisecond, or something else?

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                                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                  As a follow-up to rmtucker's line of inquiry, what is currently the shortest deep sleep that's supported? Is it one millisecond, or something else?

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                                  #770

                                  @NeverDie
                                  Theoretically it is 2 clock ticks at 32768khz so 0.000061035secs i think.
                                  But how long it takes to go into sleep mode and come out of sleep mode i am not sure.
                                  But of course the sleep function only allows millis.

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                                  • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                    As a follow-up to rmtucker's line of inquiry, what is currently the shortest deep sleep that's supported? Is it one millisecond, or something else?

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                                    @NeverDie said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                    As a follow-up to rmtucker's line of inquiry, what is currently the shortest deep sleep that's supported? Is it one millisecond, or something else?

                                    Why do you need this type of short sleeps?

                                    Sleep is for battery powered devices. A device that wakes up more than 1000 times in the second might be hard to drive with a battery.

                                    @rmtucker said in nRF5 Bluetooth action!:

                                    @NeverDie
                                    Theoretically it is 2 clock ticks at 32768khz so 0.000061035secs i think.

                                    This is correct.

                                    But how long it takes to go into sleep mode and come out of sleep mode i am not sure.

                                    It's simple to evaluate with micros() before and after a sleep().

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                                      wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                      #772

                                      I haven't yet upgraded to the current version, so maybe this is moot (?), but the following code in a loop:

                                        digitalWrite(TEST_PIN,HIGH);
                                        sleep(100); // Sleeps for 100ms
                                        digitalWrite(TEST_PIN,LOW);
                                        sleep(100); // Sleeps for 100ms 
                                      

                                      holds the TEST_PIN first HIGH for 250ms and then LOW for 250ms. That means 150ms of sleep overhead, which seems like a lot.

                                      I measured the length of time the TEST_PIN is HIGH or LOW using an oscilloscope. Ran it on an Ebyte nRF52832.

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                                      • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                        I haven't yet upgraded to the current version, so maybe this is moot (?), but the following code in a loop:

                                          digitalWrite(TEST_PIN,HIGH);
                                          sleep(100); // Sleeps for 100ms
                                          digitalWrite(TEST_PIN,LOW);
                                          sleep(100); // Sleeps for 100ms 
                                        

                                        holds the TEST_PIN first HIGH for 250ms and then LOW for 250ms. That means 150ms of sleep overhead, which seems like a lot.

                                        I measured the length of time the TEST_PIN is HIGH or LOW using an oscilloscope. Ran it on an Ebyte nRF52832.

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                                        Nevermind. I just now upgraded to the current versions, and it seems to be fixed.

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                                          #774

                                          So, with the current libraries and an Ebyte nRF52832 that's using its external crystal oscillator, I'm now measuring the sleep overhead as being 260us. I expect that may be even less if using the internal 32768Hz resonator.

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