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Recommendation for PCB fab?

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  • gohanG gohan

    @tbowmo is there any guide on how to use that program?

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    @gohan
    maybe you can find some more howtos on google, here is one:
    https://hackaday.io/project/19202-small-pcbs-for-panelizing-tutorial/log/59210-panelization-using-gerberpanelizer-on-windows-linux-possible

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      I placed an order with Elecrow just now. $9.70 for ten boards delivered seems like a bargain. I'll make another post once they're delivered so that we'll have a record of how long it takes to receive.

      I'll try the panelizing approach with dirtypcb's sometime soon. It sounds like a fantastic deal also.

      Thanks everybody for your suggestions!

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        I placed an order with Elecrow just now. $9.70 for ten boards delivered seems like a bargain. I'll make another post once they're delivered so that we'll have a record of how long it takes to receive.

        I'll try the panelizing approach with dirtypcb's sometime soon. It sounds like a fantastic deal also.

        Thanks everybody for your suggestions!

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        @NeverDie said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

        I'll try the panelizing approach with dirtypcb's sometime soon. It sounds like a fantastic deal also.

        Let us know if you need any help with it!

        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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        • NeverDieN NeverDie

          I placed an order with Elecrow just now. $9.70 for ten boards delivered seems like a bargain. I'll make another post once they're delivered so that we'll have a record of how long it takes to receive.

          I'll try the panelizing approach with dirtypcb's sometime soon. It sounds like a fantastic deal also.

          Thanks everybody for your suggestions!

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          @NeverDie said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

          I placed an order with Elecrow just now. $9.70 for ten boards delivered seems like a bargain. I'll make another post once they're delivered so that we'll have a record of how long it takes to receive.

          I'll try the panelizing approach with dirtypcb's sometime soon. It sounds like a fantastic deal also.

          Thanks everybody for your suggestions!

          I received the Elecrow boards today. Wow, just 17 days from order until receipt. 10 boards for $9.70 total, including shipping. Much cheaper than OSH-PARK, and only a few days extra. :)

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          • NeverDieN NeverDie

            @NeverDie said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

            I placed an order with Elecrow just now. $9.70 for ten boards delivered seems like a bargain. I'll make another post once they're delivered so that we'll have a record of how long it takes to receive.

            I'll try the panelizing approach with dirtypcb's sometime soon. It sounds like a fantastic deal also.

            Thanks everybody for your suggestions!

            I received the Elecrow boards today. Wow, just 17 days from order until receipt. 10 boards for $9.70 total, including shipping. Much cheaper than OSH-PARK, and only a few days extra. :)

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            @NeverDie how much are the boards and the shipping costs?

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            • gohanG gohan

              @NeverDie how much are the boards and the shipping costs?

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              @gohan Third sentence immediately above.

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                Very pleased with my Elecrow order as well. This is the first pcb I designed since the 1980's when you taped up the art work by hand :-)

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                  #29

                  One visible difference though is that the elecrow pads are silvery in color, whereas the OSH Park pads are brass/gold in color:
                  0_1503693971469_elecrow.jpg
                  Does it matter?

                  Also, the OSH Park boards have the annoying mouse bites, whereas the Elecrow are nice smooth edges.

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                    The default surface finish at Elecrow is HASL. ENIG is goldie colour but more expensive. There are a few others as well.
                    Good explanation of differences: http://www.epectec.com/articles/pcb-surface-finish-advantages-and-disadvantages.html
                    OSH might be using OSP / Entek coating.

                    IMHO it is an appearance thing for us hobbyists. As long as it is not bare copper it should be ok.

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      @gohan Third sentence immediately above.

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                      @NeverDie I actually meant the costs split

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                        US4.90 for 10 boards (100x50) on special, US4.85 shipping to Canada.

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                          Today I received another order from Elecrow. This time it took 18 days to receive from the date of order. However, they did send me 12 boards instead of 10, so that's nice. :)

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                          • NeverDieN NeverDie

                            Today I received another order from Elecrow. This time it took 18 days to receive from the date of order. However, they did send me 12 boards instead of 10, so that's nice. :)

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                            @NeverDie said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

                            Today I received another order from Elecrow. This time it took 18 days to receive from the date of order. However, they did send me 12 boards instead of 10, so that's nice. :)

                            That is still pretty quick if you selected the cheap shipping option !

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                            • Nca78N Nca78

                              @NeverDie said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

                              Today I received another order from Elecrow. This time it took 18 days to receive from the date of order. However, they did send me 12 boards instead of 10, so that's nice. :)

                              That is still pretty quick if you selected the cheap shipping option !

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                              @Nca78 said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

                              That is still pretty quick if you selected the cheap shipping option !

                              Yup, it was this board here: https://www.openhardware.io/view/472/Ebyte-nRF52832-Prototyping-Board

                              Shipped using the cheapest shipping option.

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                              • Nca78N Nca78

                                @NeverDie said in Recommendation for PCB fab?:

                                Today I received another order from Elecrow. This time it took 18 days to receive from the date of order. However, they did send me 12 boards instead of 10, so that's nice. :)

                                That is still pretty quick if you selected the cheap shipping option !

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                                @Nca78

                                Elecrow is a good fab imho and yes they are very generous - I received too my boards today and instead of 5pcs I received 11pcs !!!. And this is not the first time they deliver more than requested. The price - 5$ for boards and 3.5$ shipping(standard mail) - 8.5$ in total. And yes they are the cheapest and pretty good quality pcbs - I'm very pleased about their services so far. They beat all the Chinese fabs including shipping so far(and the quality is pretty good - at least for what I need my pcbs for it's well beyond my expectations).

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                                  At the moment I'm getting a PCB fabricated by pcbway (my fist time using them). They give tracking info which (allegedly) shows exactly where your PCB is in the manufacturing process. For example, here's the status of my board at this very moment:

                                  MI (Manufacture Instruction)	 	 11/13/2017 10:04:37 AM
                                  Cut Lamination	 	 11/13/2017 11:41:12 AM
                                  Drill	 	 11/13/2017 11:44:05 AM
                                  Plated Through Hole	 	 
                                  Circuit	 	 
                                  Etching	 	 
                                  AOI	 	 
                                  Solder Mask	 	 
                                  Silkscreen	 	 
                                  Surface Treatment	 	 
                                  Double Drilling	 	 
                                  Routing	 	 
                                  Testing	 	 
                                  Package	 	 
                                  Delivery Ready	
                                  

                                  i.e. the first drilling is finished, and the next step for it is the thru-hole plating. They update the status once every 5 minutes.

                                  The other interesting thing is that they have a chat window, so you can chat with them anytime about your order. I asked them a question at about 4am China time, and within about a minute or two I got an answer.

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                                    I designed and fabricated my light switch boards at EasyEDA. the board quality was excellent, and they were fast.

                                    Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                                    Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                                      In case anyone is interested, here's a record of how much time each step in the fabrication took:

                                      MI (Manufacture Instruction)	 	 11/13/2017 10:04:37 AM
                                      Cut Lamination	 	 11/13/2017 11:41:12 AM
                                      Drill	 	 11/13/2017 11:44:05 AM
                                      Plated Through Hole	 	 11/13/2017 3:12:32 PM
                                      Circuit	 	 11/13/2017 4:07:36 PM
                                      Etching	 	 11/13/2017 6:03:07 PM
                                      AOI	 	 11/13/2017 7:33:56 PM
                                      Solder Mask	 	 11/13/2017 7:34:02 PM
                                      Silkscreen	 	 11/13/2017 9:20:59 PM
                                      Surface Treatment	 	 11/13/2017 10:36:35 PM
                                      Double Drilling	 	 11/14/2017 12:48:23 AM
                                      Routing	 	 11/14/2017 4:23:57 AM
                                      Testing	 	 11/14/2017 4:50:50 AM
                                      Package	 	 11/14/2017 7:56:46 AM
                                      

                                      I had thought that maybe they could fabricate and ship on the same day, but apparently fabrication takes too long for that.

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                                        I've started a second order through PCBway, and it appears that they start fabrication on a batch each day around 10 or 11am China time. If you get your order in and it passes their review before then, then most likely they'll start fabricating it that day. Otherwise, it appears that the order rolls over to the next day.

                                        One nice feature is that you can keep adding new items to the order even after fabrication has started on some of them. In this case, the shipping cost on all the items is combined and the shipping deadline for the entire order is governed by the last item ordered.

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                                          FWIW, I received this micro-USB test board from PCBway today:
                                          0_1511409150412_slotted.jpg
                                          As you can plainly see, it appears they had no difficulty fabricating the plated slots. In fact, they didn't even flag it as a possible issue.

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