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  • axillentA Offline
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    based on this concept I make a text based console which is actually Super Application, application one is 3 wire physical interface with manchester encoding, application 2 is UART console connected to VT220 terminal. Super Application bridges to networks together. By adding Broadcast with accept to All messages broadcast I allow Bridge to pass all the messages between two networks

    // --- bridge application
    typedef Application::Bridge<msg_type, w3p_appl, uart_appl>						bridge_appl;
    
    
    //------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    // Variables
    //------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    //------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    // Main
    //------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    int main()
    {
    
      mcu::Init();
    
      ep_id::SetDefault(Message::ID(THIS_NET_SEGMENT_ID));
      ep_key::Set();
    
      bridge_appl::Init();
    
      timer::Start();
      led2.Set();
    
      mcu::InterruptEnable();
    
      uart_transl::SetID(ep_id::Get());
      uart_transl::Print("\n\n\x1b[31m--- Console v1.0 started\x1b[30m");
    
      while(1) {
    
    	bridge_appl::Loop();
        mcu::InterruptWait();
    
      }
    
    }
    

    All is plug & play. Etc. it requires NO modification of basic library to create this console. A typical session bellow:
    0_1509803641402_2017-11-04_16-48-43.png

    sense and drive

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    • axillentA Offline
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      axillent
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      #6

      Not that important. But there is no stick to Arduino. It is multiplatform based thing-set. Atmel + STM8 + STM32 are supported. ESP is comming

      sense and drive

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      • gohanG Offline
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        #7

        If you can find a way to make a "router" between different mysensors networks, you could make many people happy 😁

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        • gohanG gohan

          If you can find a way to make a "router" between different mysensors networks, you could make many people happy 😁

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          #8

          @gohan Wouldn't that be handled in the bridges that he has shown in this image?
          0_1509815372555_upload-c8029759-6a17-4ce1-b04d-3f48014cbd36

          Maybe I am thinking of this wrong, but I would think of it in the sense of a MySensors gateway being the bridge or router that would translate the communication from the local computer network to the different types of devices. Instead of connecting that gateway to a controller like Vera, Domoticz or OpenHAB, it would connect to the IP network. It is basically converting the data from one transmission media such as nRF24L01 or RFM69, over to ethernet.

          Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
          Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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            #9

            you could use bridges but you would need to have unique IDs throughout all the networks if you want nodes to talk to each other across networks, if I understood right.

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            • gohanG gohan

              you could use bridges but you would need to have unique IDs throughout all the networks if you want nodes to talk to each other across networks, if I understood right.

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              @gohan Wouldn't you need that anyway? How else would you address a node?

              Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
              Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                #11

                yes, to address devices across different network segments you need a global ID
                but there is a trick... Please see the first picture. It is a layer called Translator.
                it is possible to translate non-global ID to global and back and this will allow to create a bridge

                sense and drive

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                • axillentA axillent

                  yes, to address devices across different network segments you need a global ID
                  but there is a trick... Please see the first picture. It is a layer called Translator.
                  it is possible to translate non-global ID to global and back and this will allow to create a bridge

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                  #12

                  @axillent Isn't that in a sense a broad definition of what a bridge does? Translating information between two different types of networks.

                  Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                  Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                  • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                    @axillent Isn't that in a sense a broad definition of what a bridge does? Translating information between two different types of networks.

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                    #13

                    @dbemowsk each layer does it's job
                    bridge just creates a bridge
                    will it do a translation between depends on translation layer
                    translation job can be about translation of address or translation of data form or even both
                    all this depends on the goal but brings wide flexibility

                    sense and drive

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                      #14

                      some more details about addressing

                      0_1536409602976_7a19d573-f5ea-45c6-9a10-1ce2bba4bd14-изображение.png

                      global adress is 16 bit number. 12 most significant bits are defining network segment number while 4 less significant bits are providing nodeID

                      section 0xFE00-0xFEFF is reserved for local broadcasting, 0xFF00-0xFFFF - for global broadcasts. Etc. 256 broadcasts of each type

                      segments and differenciation between local and global broadcasts are needed for efficient support of bridging and routing.

                      bridging is a simplified version of routing. bridging is connecting network segments on different physycal inrterfaces while routing can assume to bypass many physical interfaces between (routing throuth).
                      one of the bridge example is a link between wired interface and MQTT.
                      one of the routing example is a link between 2 wired interfaces across public Internet

                      each network segment can have 15 nodes. nodeID = 0 is a special local segment broadcast addressing all devices in segment.

                      each physical interface can have several segments, etc. there is no limitation to have 15 nodes on physical interface. you just add as many segments to interface as you need to have devices

                      sense and drive

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                        #15

                        Is encryption built in?

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                          Zeph
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                          #16

                          What is W3P? Is this some sort of CANBUS?

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                            #17

                            I think your addressing concept do not respect hardware - microcontrollers and radio modules we are using.
                            Some hardware ( RFM69, serial in 9bit mode, etc. ) can filter incoming messages itself and do not disturb controller when
                            receive different address then node own ID or broadcast.
                            For example with RFM69 you can store node ID and broadcast address in radiomodule and it will receive only messages with this specific addresses.
                            But your address schema uses 4 lower bits for node ID ( 0-16 ) and lower 8 bits in all combination for broadcast too.
                            Your node must receive all 16 bits to distinguish - if it is node addressed message or broadcast call.
                            So you cannot use addressing features of our hardware.
                            I think, better is divide 16 bits to 8 bit node ID and 8 bits network ID.
                            Network filtering and routing then make gateway and distribute messages to connected nodes or other networks.

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                            • Z Zeph

                              What is W3P? Is this some sort of CANBUS?

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                              #18

                              @zeph yes and no. it is very very simple hardware, similar to LocoNet. allows to transfer a few kbit/sec on single wire (w3p - 3 wire VCC + Signal + GND) using 1 npn transistor + 4 resistors at absolute minimum

                              sense and drive

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                              • K kimot

                                I think your addressing concept do not respect hardware - microcontrollers and radio modules we are using.
                                Some hardware ( RFM69, serial in 9bit mode, etc. ) can filter incoming messages itself and do not disturb controller when
                                receive different address then node own ID or broadcast.
                                For example with RFM69 you can store node ID and broadcast address in radiomodule and it will receive only messages with this specific addresses.
                                But your address schema uses 4 lower bits for node ID ( 0-16 ) and lower 8 bits in all combination for broadcast too.
                                Your node must receive all 16 bits to distinguish - if it is node addressed message or broadcast call.
                                So you cannot use addressing features of our hardware.
                                I think, better is divide 16 bits to 8 bit node ID and 8 bits network ID.
                                Network filtering and routing then make gateway and distribute messages to connected nodes or other networks.

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                                #19

                                @kimot the main idea of all my project is to manage network abstraction layer regardless hardware
                                only translation + driver layers are hardware related, but them allow to transfer logical layer data throuth any physical hardware
                                my 16bit addressing could be translated to addresses used by your hardware to keep handle communication based on hardware advantages.

                                I just launched a network with translation throuth Ethernet/TCP with application server running on orangepi
                                Working pretty well. On logical level it is always 16bit addressing with broadcasting support.
                                developing device you should not take care how message will reach another device
                                this is handled while developing appropriate translations/drivers on bridge side.

                                bridge - a device connecting 2 or more different physycal layers.

                                it is also allows to crate a building blocks.
                                For example I'm running ESP8266 with TCP interface to network on one side and UART&JSON interface on other side
                                attaching MCU to ESP by UART a can connect any kind of network to my network

                                sense and drive

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                                  just to illustrate how translation is working
                                  you do not need direct logic match between abstract layer and the layer of used interface

                                  here is how translation is working between my network and MQTT broker:

                                  0_1541172446514_91ed42fc-c745-43ba-a897-c7cca1244feb-изображение.png

                                  bellow is initialization of 2 different nodes attached to 2 different interfaces, one to TCP/IP network, other to MQTT broker
                                  it is a code from linux application server

                                  //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  // Nodes
                                  //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  // --- inet
                                  typedef Smartlets::Common::RouteTableFile									RouteTable;
                                  typedef STAVRP::Linux::TCPDrv<0>											TCPDrv;
                                  typedef Smartlets::Interface::Translator::INet<Message, TCPDrv, RouteTable>	TranslINet;
                                  typedef Smartlets::Interface::P2P<Message, TranslINet, 16, 16>			InterfaceINet;
                                  typedef Smartlets::Node::NodeBasic<Message, InterfaceINet, ApplInet>		NodeINet;
                                  
                                  // --- mqtt
                                  typedef Smartlets::Interface::Translator::Mqtt<Message>				TranslMqtt;
                                  typedef Smartlets::Interface::P2P<Message, TranslMqtt, 16, 16>			InterfaceMqtt;
                                  typedef Smartlets::Node::NodeBasic<Message, InterfaceMqtt, ApplMqtt>		NodeMqtt;
                                  

                                  Inside Translator:Mqtt the following is used for example inside TX method (sending message):

                                  	static bool TX(const Message& msg) {
                                  
                                  		char key[128];
                                  
                                  		if( msg.header.tx.IsBroadcast() )
                                  			sprintf(key, "/%s/bc/o/%d/%d/%d/%d", data.swi_domain.c_str(), msg.header.tx.GetBroadcastID(), msg.header.rx.GetNetSegment(), msg.header.rx.GetNetDevID(), msg.header.type.type);
                                  		else
                                  			sprintf(key, "/%s/m/o/%d/%d/%d/%d/%d", data.swi_domain.c_str(), msg.header.tx.GetNetSegment(), msg.header.tx.GetNetDevID(), msg.header.rx.GetNetSegment(), msg.header.rx.GetNetDevID(), msg.header.type.type);
                                  
                                  		std::string	payload = json_ext::FromMessage(msg);
                                  		data.drv.TXPut(STAVRP::Linux::MqttEntry(key, payload));
                                  
                                  		return true;
                                  	}```
                                  
                                  and this is how it is finally bridged between:
                                  
                                  
                                  while(1) {
                                  
                                  	//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  	// loop inet
                                  	//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  	if( NodeINet::Loop() ) {
                                  
                                  		Message msg = NodeINet::RX();
                                  
                                  		Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::DEBUG << "inet-> tx=" << msg.header.tx.id;
                                  
                                  		NodeINet::CommitRX(false);
                                  
                                  		// --- routing
                                  		if( NodeINet::TX(msg) ) {
                                  			Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::DEBUG << "inet->inet TX OK";
                                  			// delayed queue
                                  		} else {
                                  			Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::ERROR << "inet->inet TX failed";
                                  		}
                                  
                                  		if( NodeMqtt::TX(msg) ) {
                                  			Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::DEBUG << "inet->mqtt TX OK";
                                  		} else {
                                  			Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::ERROR << "inet->mqtt TX failed";
                                  		}
                                  
                                  	}
                                  
                                  	//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  	// loop mqtt
                                  	//---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  	if( NodeMqtt::Loop() ) {
                                  
                                  		Message msg = NodeMqtt::RX();
                                  
                                  		Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::DEBUG << "mqtt-> tx=" << msg.header.tx.id;
                                  
                                  		NodeMqtt::CommitRX(false);
                                  
                                  		if( NodeINet::TX(msg) ) Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::DEBUG << "mqtt->inet TX OK";
                                  		else Logger::root() << log4cpp::Priority::ERROR << "mqtt->inet TX failed";
                                  
                                  	}
                                  
                                  	sleep(1);
                                  
                                  }```
                                  

                                  sense and drive

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                                    wrote on last edited by axillent
                                    #21

                                    made a few steps forward

                                    launched ESP8266 node & bridge and STM32 bridge and TCP/IP router based on linux (orangepi)
                                    bellow is my working example
                                    list of supported platforms:

                                    • STM8S/IAR
                                    • STM32F0/Keil - draft
                                    • ATMEL/Atmel studio - draft
                                    • Arduino ESP8266
                                    • Arduino STM32
                                    • Linux/g++

                                    i;m working on 2 libs. first is to handle platform dependant things. second is platform independant smart devices network
                                    regardless platform and regardless communication hardware the framework allows to transfer messages using RX/TX notation with 16 bit global addressing.
                                    Addressing is organized as 4096 segments where 4094 are 15 node segments each and 2 segments are for broadcadsting

                                    framework allows to connect potentially absolutelly different communication hardware
                                    currently i'm running:

                                    • simple one wire (1 wire signal + 2 wire power) network
                                    • wifi based nodes
                                    • twisted pair connected ethernet devices

                                    bridge between different types of network is organized on TCP/IP application server running currently on linux
                                    etc. potentially allows to connect network segments regardless physicall location, only internet connection is required

                                    why i'm doing this? mostly for fan but also to implement 2 principles:

                                    • application layer to be independant from hardware and transport. message format is universal and is the same regardless platform and communication hardware. Addressing is also universal. Application should not take care about intermediate specific, this is handled by other components
                                    • avoid a central unit. each device can communicate with each device. the only central component is application server. but is is very simple, robust and reliable. failover is supported

                                    My example:
                                    0_1542366195599_swi_network_example1.png

                                    sense and drive

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                                      for esp8266 i made an universal bridge application
                                      it can be used for both:

                                      • single node, esp8266 is running a final application. on the photo above my thermostats to measure room temperature, report it and to send ON/OFF commands to heaters

                                      • bridge. can be used to connect other type networks wirelessly to application server. UART is used for this + json translation. currently this is implemented to connect heating controllers located on each floor

                                      0_1542367097091_swi.png

                                      main and failover servers can be configured
                                      also each node is configured to handle from one to a few network segments. this allows simple routing from application server back to node
                                      esp8266 is using ArduinoOTA and zero hardcording.
                                      after fresh programming esp creates AP and smartphone can be used to preconfigure a node
                                      any updates are keeping configuration except major updates there stored structure can be affected

                                      application server is also support MQTT translation
                                      etc. it looks like a routing between my network and MQTT server
                                      RX/TX adresing are mapped to MQTT topic while message is translated into JSON:
                                      0_1542367488414_b02f627d-a80b-4837-9c39-335bcb337667-изображение.png

                                      sense and drive

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                                        #23

                                        also from last
                                        byteorder handling is build in
                                        library allows to choose any order
                                        I select bigendian because this is natural to my major MCU - STM8
                                        on little endian platforms (like STM32, ESP8266 and ARM64) data is automatically translated

                                        sense and drive

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                                          just published my libraries
                                          anyonw is welsome on review and comments https://github.com/axillent :

                                          • list item stavrp C++ multiplafrom suport library, platforms are at different level of support

                                          • list item smartletsp C++ smart devices network

                                          • list item swilib and integration of above two libraries with arduino framework

                                          sense and drive

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