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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    NeverDie
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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #154

    @andrew
    Since I probably have only one shot at this, how hot should I heat up the ER11 before trying to fit it onto the frozen spindle? Should it be burning hot, or is luke-warm enough?

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    • NeverDieN NeverDie

      @andrew
      Since I probably have only one shot at this, how hot should I heat up the ER11 before trying to fit it onto the frozen spindle? Should it be burning hot, or is luke-warm enough?

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      #155

      @neverdie unfortunately, as I mentioned, I don't have ER11 (yet), and I just read articles and vendor suggestions on the installation method, so I cannot provide experience based suggestions to that. as far as I remember nor concrete temperature was mentioned, so I would say you should not "overheat" it.

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      • andrewA andrew

        @neverdie unfortunately, as I mentioned, I don't have ER11 (yet), and I just read articles and vendor suggestions on the installation method, so I cannot provide experience based suggestions to that. as far as I remember nor concrete temperature was mentioned, so I would say you should not "overheat" it.

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        NeverDie
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        wrote on last edited by NeverDie
        #156

        @andrew said in CNC PCB milling:

        @neverdie unfortunately, as I mentioned, I don't have ER11 (yet), and I just read articles and vendor suggestions on the installation method, so I cannot provide experience based suggestions to that. as far as I remember nor concrete temperature was mentioned, so I would say you should not "overheat" it.

        I slipped it on, no problem at all. After freezing the motor overnight, what I did was heat the ER11 with my wife's crafting hot air gun. I held it with an insulated glove as I warmed it up. When it started to become uncomfortable to hold with even the insulated glove, I slipped it on without any resistance.

        Hopefully this info will help you when you receive yours.

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        • NeverDieN NeverDie

          @andrew said in CNC PCB milling:

          @neverdie unfortunately, as I mentioned, I don't have ER11 (yet), and I just read articles and vendor suggestions on the installation method, so I cannot provide experience based suggestions to that. as far as I remember nor concrete temperature was mentioned, so I would say you should not "overheat" it.

          I slipped it on, no problem at all. After freezing the motor overnight, what I did was heat the ER11 with my wife's crafting hot air gun. I held it with an insulated glove as I warmed it up. When it started to become uncomfortable to hold with even the insulated glove, I slipped it on without any resistance.

          Hopefully this info will help you when you receive yours.

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          wrote on last edited by
          #157

          @neverdie :) nice, so your wife saved the project :)))
          be patient and do not power the spindle for couple of hours, while it is cold, as it could be wet inside which could cause shorts and other issues.

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          • NeverDieN Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #158

            I seem to be finished with the mechanical assembly:
            0_1513629200578_mechanicals_done.jpg
            However, these washers came with the kit, and I'm not sure what they're for:
            0_1513629228821_washers.jpg
            Anyone know? Are they for mounting the woodpecker board to the frame?

            Next I need to do the firmware upgrade and then wire things up.

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            • NeverDieN NeverDie

              I seem to be finished with the mechanical assembly:
              0_1513629200578_mechanicals_done.jpg
              However, these washers came with the kit, and I'm not sure what they're for:
              0_1513629228821_washers.jpg
              Anyone know? Are they for mounting the woodpecker board to the frame?

              Next I need to do the firmware upgrade and then wire things up.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #159

              @neverdie yes, it is for "isolating" the pcb from the frame.

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              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                @andrew said in CNC PCB milling:

                @neverdie unfortunately, as I mentioned, I don't have ER11 (yet), and I just read articles and vendor suggestions on the installation method, so I cannot provide experience based suggestions to that. as far as I remember nor concrete temperature was mentioned, so I would say you should not "overheat" it.

                I slipped it on, no problem at all. After freezing the motor overnight, what I did was heat the ER11 with my wife's crafting hot air gun. I held it with an insulated glove as I warmed it up. When it started to become uncomfortable to hold with even the insulated glove, I slipped it on without any resistance.

                Hopefully this info will help you when you receive yours.

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                wrote on last edited by
                #160

                @neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

                ER11

                FYI - Was reading on another forum where the user was going to replace the ER11 with a larger version so he could use 8mm bits (fairly standard metric size for wood routing bits, but incredibly strong)...
                Somebody pointed out to the guy that there are collets available for the ER11 specifically for 8mm shafted toolbits...
                https://www.sorotec.de/shop/Spannzange-ER-11---8-00mm-DIN-6499B-4008E-Klasse-II.html

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                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                  I seem to be finished with the mechanical assembly:
                  0_1513629200578_mechanicals_done.jpg
                  However, these washers came with the kit, and I'm not sure what they're for:
                  0_1513629228821_washers.jpg
                  Anyone know? Are they for mounting the woodpecker board to the frame?

                  Next I need to do the firmware upgrade and then wire things up.

                  rmtuckerR Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #161

                  @neverdie
                  You have gone quiet:relaxed:
                  Must be beavering away cutting pcb's?

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #162

                    Carved this on my home made cnc router recently.
                    Bit off topic but good fun.
                    It is about 2ft diameter and 8" thick(old millstone)
                    0_1513689287536_aa2a84b0-71ec-4d46-9c2d-f2241aa2827a-image.png

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                    • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                      Carved this on my home made cnc router recently.
                      Bit off topic but good fun.
                      It is about 2ft diameter and 8" thick(old millstone)
                      0_1513689287536_aa2a84b0-71ec-4d46-9c2d-f2241aa2827a-image.png

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                      #163

                      @rmtucker
                      And this for our lass
                      0_1513689365865_382c70bc-e450-4cc8-89c9-f0cc3bd45522-image.png

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                      • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                        @neverdie
                        You have gone quiet:relaxed:
                        Must be beavering away cutting pcb's?

                        NeverDieN Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #164

                        @rmtucker said in CNC PCB milling:

                        @neverdie
                        You have gone quiet:relaxed:
                        Must be beavering away cutting pcb's?

                        No, I've simply misplaced my Dragon AVR programmer for the firmware upgrade, so I need to hunt it down.

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                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                          #165

                          Anyway, once I do get the firmware upgraded and it wired up, what's the best way to start testing it? Do I need to learn GRBL as execuval seems to imply, or are there some simple tests I can run? I imagine some kind of calibration would be the need step, but I haven't read that far ahead because there's nothing to read (well, haven't googled it out yet either).

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                          • NeverDieN NeverDie

                            Anyway, once I do get the firmware upgraded and it wired up, what's the best way to start testing it? Do I need to learn GRBL as execuval seems to imply, or are there some simple tests I can run? I imagine some kind of calibration would be the need step, but I haven't read that far ahead because there's nothing to read (well, haven't googled it out yet either).

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                            #166

                            @neverdie
                            Stick some g-code in and press cycle start:grin:

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                            • zboblamontZ zboblamont

                              @neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

                              ER11

                              FYI - Was reading on another forum where the user was going to replace the ER11 with a larger version so he could use 8mm bits (fairly standard metric size for wood routing bits, but incredibly strong)...
                              Somebody pointed out to the guy that there are collets available for the ER11 specifically for 8mm shafted toolbits...
                              https://www.sorotec.de/shop/Spannzange-ER-11---8-00mm-DIN-6499B-4008E-Klasse-II.html

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                              NeverDie
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                              wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                              #167

                              @zboblamont said in CNC PCB milling:

                              was going to replace the ER11 with a larger version

                              Given how it's installed, I don't see how you can get it off. I would assume it's permanent.

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                              • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                @zboblamont said in CNC PCB milling:

                                was going to replace the ER11 with a larger version

                                Given how it's installed, I don't see how you can get it off. I would assume it's permanent.

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #168

                                @neverdie From memory the guy got it off with a hub-puller, and a persuader, but the point I was trying to make was that there is a collet assembly for the ER11which takes 8mm...

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                                • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                  Anyway, once I do get the firmware upgraded and it wired up, what's the best way to start testing it? Do I need to learn GRBL as execuval seems to imply, or are there some simple tests I can run? I imagine some kind of calibration would be the need step, but I haven't read that far ahead because there's nothing to read (well, haven't googled it out yet either).

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                                  #169

                                  @neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

                                  Anyway, once I do get the firmware upgraded and it wired up, what's the best way to start testing it? Do I need to learn GRBL as execuval seems to imply, or are there some simple tests I can run? I imagine some kind of calibration would be the need step, but I haven't read that far ahead because there's nothing to read (well, haven't googled it out yet either).

                                  First watch the video (now I can't get it out of my head :man-bowing: )
                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOk6echpeqQ

                                  Then, after you update to grbl 0.9j go to chilipeppr.com/grbl, download the SPJS, start it and start playing.

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                                    NeverDie
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                                    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                    #170

                                    I hope these heatsinks that came with the kit don't short things out. Seems rather dicey.
                                    0_1513705183502_heatsinks.jpg

                                    In any case, until I can find my Dragon, I'm going to limp along with GRBL 0.9j so I can finish up the build. I'll upgrade later after I find it.

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                                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                      I hope these heatsinks that came with the kit don't short things out. Seems rather dicey.
                                      0_1513705183502_heatsinks.jpg

                                      In any case, until I can find my Dragon, I'm going to limp along with GRBL 0.9j so I can finish up the build. I'll upgrade later after I find it.

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                                      #171

                                      @neverdie the er-11 should be permanent. this spindle is not powerful enough to handle bigger tools and to mill harder materials.

                                      you can start with grbl 0.9j, but it is worth to upgrade to 1.1f.
                                      to the fw upgrade you can use a simple arduino as ISP programmer as well if you do not find your dragon.

                                      with chilipeppr (in case of grbl 0.9j go for http://chilipeppr.com/grbl , for 1.1.f go for http://chilipeppr.com/jpadie) you can quickly run its default logo engraving path for testing / demo purposes.

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                                        #172

                                        Done! Jack was certainly, uh, generous with the length of the wiring. I provisionally tacked it out of the way with the zip ties provided. I'll secure it better after I'm sure it's all working.
                                        0_1513707091383_wiring.jpg

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                                        • NeverDieN NeverDie

                                          Done! Jack was certainly, uh, generous with the length of the wiring. I provisionally tacked it out of the way with the zip ties provided. I'll secure it better after I'm sure it's all working.
                                          0_1513707091383_wiring.jpg

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                                          wrote on last edited by andrew
                                          #173

                                          @neverdie for the cable issue I ordered this cable organizer spiral, although not yet installed it :)

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