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  • NeverDieN Offline
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    NeverDie
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    wrote on last edited by
    #241

    I found these copper clad boards that seem to be made out of bakelite (?) rather than fiberglass. So, hopefully not the same level of toxic dust concern as with FR4's.

    I double sided taped the non-copper side:
    0_1514073784631_bakelite1.jpg
    and soldered a ground wire on the copper clad side:
    0_1514073810947_bakelite2.jpg

    Now I'm ready for autoleveling and then my first PCB etch.

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    • NeverDieN Offline
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      wrote on last edited by
      #242

      Here are the results of the autoleveling:
      0_1514079156036_autoleveling.png
      For some reason it's hard to read some of the numbers.

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      • NeverDieN NeverDie

        Here are the results of the autoleveling:
        0_1514079156036_autoleveling.png
        For some reason it's hard to read some of the numbers.

        dbemowskD Offline
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        wrote on last edited by
        #243

        @neverdie It looks like everything in the top right corner is above the level bed surface. which puts it above the grid that is shown. Looks like the bed is tilted.

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        • dbemowskD dbemowsk

          @neverdie It looks like everything in the top right corner is above the level bed surface. which puts it above the grid that is shown. Looks like the bed is tilted.

          NeverDieN Offline
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          NeverDie
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          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
          #244

          @dbemowsk Fortunately the auto-leveling should render it a moot issue.

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          • NeverDieN Offline
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            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
            #245

            LOL, except that unfortunately it did not:
            0_1514080543041_etching1.jpg

            OK, my bad. I hadn't sent the auto-leveled g-code to the workspace (I had thought this would be done automatically, but no), so this picture shows what would happen without auto-leveling.

            I've made the change and am now re-running the job with the auto-leveled g-code.

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            • NeverDieN NeverDie

              LOL, except that unfortunately it did not:
              0_1514080543041_etching1.jpg

              OK, my bad. I hadn't sent the auto-leveled g-code to the workspace (I had thought this would be done automatically, but no), so this picture shows what would happen without auto-leveling.

              I've made the change and am now re-running the job with the auto-leveled g-code.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #246

              @neverdie Looks about on par with your final matrix, only it is following the grid and not the auto leveling values.

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                #247

                So, I re-ran the job over the same area with the g-code modified by auto-leveling, and this time I got a better result:
                0_1514083159570_etching2.jpg

                So, now I'll try it on a fresh area of the PCB, after doing a new auto-leveling.

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                • NeverDieN Offline
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                  NeverDie
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                  wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                  #248

                  Judging from the looks of the photo directly above though, it looks like quite a bit of copper wasn't removed where it needed to be. I'm guessing I will need to:

                  1. etch to a deeper depth; and/or,
                  2. use a finer mesh for auto-leveling; and/or
                  3. ???
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                  • E Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #249

                    Etch 0.1mm. The groove between tracks also helps with soldering. I currently use 0.1mm and even 0.15 when in a hurry.

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                    • NeverDieN NeverDie

                      So, I re-ran the job over the same area with the g-code modified by auto-leveling, and this time I got a better result:
                      0_1514083159570_etching2.jpg

                      So, now I'll try it on a fresh area of the PCB, after doing a new auto-leveling.

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                      #250

                      @neverdie
                      The last photo looks like the tip is missing from the cutter?

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                      • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                        @neverdie
                        The last photo looks like the tip is missing from the cutter?

                        NeverDieN Offline
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                        NeverDie
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                        #251

                        @rmtucker Good catch! Here it is in contrast to a new one:
                        0_1514124264773_broken.jpg

                        I'll replace it with the new one.

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                        • NeverDieN NeverDie

                          @rmtucker Good catch! Here it is in contrast to a new one:
                          0_1514124264773_broken.jpg

                          I'll replace it with the new one.

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                          #252

                          @neverdie
                          Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.
                          It is so easy to smash the front of an engraving cutter when using this method for autolevelling as the machine takes a little time to stop after touching the pcb.
                          Just my advice anyway:relaxed:

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                            @neverdie
                            Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.
                            It is so easy to smash the front of an engraving cutter when using this method for autolevelling as the machine takes a little time to stop after touching the pcb.
                            Just my advice anyway:relaxed:

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                            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                            #253

                            @rmtucker said in CNC PCB milling:

                            Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.

                            What's a "duff cutter"? Did you mean "dull cutter"?

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                            • NeverDieN NeverDie

                              @rmtucker said in CNC PCB milling:

                              Just for future reference i would use a duff cutter for autolevelling then change to a good cutter to cut the job after resetting the z0.

                              What's a "duff cutter"? Did you mean "dull cutter"?

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                              @neverdie
                              Yes sorry a used one:wink:

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                              • rmtuckerR rmtucker

                                @neverdie
                                Yes sorry a used one:wink:

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                                #255

                                @rmtucker Thanks! Makes sense to me. I'll do it that way.

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                                  #256

                                  Argh. I ran the job, and the first cut went great. All subsequent cuts though didn't penetrate the surface:
                                  0_1514131937250_etch2.jpg
                                  Afterward, when I checked the zero on z, I found that it was off by 0.049. That explains it, since the cut-depth was 0.05.

                                  I'll re-zero and try running the same job again.

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #257

                                    That made a much better result:
                                    0_1514134150665_etch3.jpg
                                    It corresponds to this as the actual PCB:
                                    0_1514134183073_pcb3.jpg

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                                      wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                      #258

                                      However, what's telling is that it obliterated the traces on either side of a 6 mil separation:
                                      0_1514134391307_etch4.jpg
                                      This is how it should look instead:
                                      0_1514135454019_jumper.png
                                      0_1514134628617_pcb4.jpg

                                      So, what happened?

                                      My current hypothesis: the first cutting sheared 0.049mm off the tip of the blade, making it wider than it should be. Then, after re-zeroing, the wider blade cut too wide as it cut the traces for the solder jumper.

                                      Is that reasonable, or is there a better hypothesis?

                                      If it's true, then what do I do about it? Perhaps use a higher quality bit than the freebie that came with the kit?

                                      Actually, I'm not even sure what the dimensions were on the freebie. It wasn't labeled. Perhaps it was too wide to begin with.

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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #259

                                        Well, to explore this more, I think I'll create a test board consisting purely of a few solder jumpers. That way I can put the focus directly on the 6 mil issue and won't be wasting time on etching that's unrelated to that.

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                                          wrote on last edited by NeverDie
                                          #260

                                          Doing just a single solder jumper, with the same bit, and autoleveling every 1mm, the result is:
                                          0_1514143618998_etch5.jpg
                                          which is pretty close, actually. Looks like maybe the bit is a little too wide, or else there's runout which is making it appear wider than it actually is.

                                          I'll try it with a fresh bit next and see if it improves.

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