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  • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

    @axillent said in AC-DC at own:

    EE10-A1

    Congratulations! It can replace the HLK-PM01 that we are using a lot here. Is it possible for you to share the schematics ?

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    @jeremushka for sure

    schematic is standard, simplified version from datasheet
    D8, D11 and R22 are optional, it is to be able to source power from different sources (for example different phases, or from main power and from generator).
    D12 I'm using 11V to have output at about 12.1V

    0_1534774421834_e13974d9-183a-426d-ba50-d2bc32b3a736-изображение.png

    sense and drive

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      Thanks. What is the purpose of the inductor at the output of the circuit? why not to use one also after the bridge rectifier?

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      • axillentA axillent

        Everyone is need some kind of power supply for the project. Some time AC-DC is needed.
        From a few years of hobby I did a following list for myself:

        1. list item isolated AC-DC
          1.1 purchased as adapter
          1.2 purchased in separate box
          1.3 purchased to be put on PCB
        2. nonisolated AC-DC
          2.1 soldered capacitor based
          2.2 soldered switching inductor less
          2.3 soldered switching with inductor

        More or less a coprehensive listm, with proc and cons depending of the project.
        I prefer to solder things, but you see that I put all isolated as purchased. It is all about transformers.
        I'm scared about transformers - you need to properly design it, you need to wire it and build.

        Now I can tell that I do not scared any more)

        But to simplify start I ordered transformers build for the 5/12V output at power up to 3W. It is best sutable for most of my applications.
        0_1531562440011_Фото 09.07.2018, 23 11 04.jpg

        A testing board was created:
        0_1531562243611_acdc2.png

        soldered and tested:
        0_1531562450814_Фото 09.07.2018, 7 25 38.jpg
        0_1531562458616_Фото 10.07.2018, 0 29 43.jpg

        result of test as expected. at 13V output I coould get 3W of power with moderated heating

        schematic is based on LNK364

        By next step I will order PCB for my DIN Rail LEGO project:

        0_1531562601621_acdc.jpg

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        @axillent - Nice to see you here again! Well done :+1:

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          @axillent - Nice to see you here again! Well done :+1:

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          @blacey thanks

          sense and drive

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          • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

            Thanks. What is the purpose of the inductor at the output of the circuit? why not to use one also after the bridge rectifier?

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            @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

            Thanks. What is the purpose of the inductor at the output of the circuit? why not to use one also after the bridge rectifier?

            inductor at output is to reduce riple
            on hight voltage side will be better to put filter but there is no place for it
            inductor as such will not bring too much value

            sense and drive

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            • axillentA axillent

              @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

              Thanks. What is the purpose of the inductor at the output of the circuit? why not to use one also after the bridge rectifier?

              inductor at output is to reduce riple
              on hight voltage side will be better to put filter but there is no place for it
              inductor as such will not bring too much value

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              @axillent thank you. it is clear information :) very nice work

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              • axillentA axillent

                @jeremushka for sure

                schematic is standard, simplified version from datasheet
                D8, D11 and R22 are optional, it is to be able to source power from different sources (for example different phases, or from main power and from generator).
                D12 I'm using 11V to have output at about 12.1V

                0_1534774421834_e13974d9-183a-426d-ba50-d2bc32b3a736-изображение.png

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                @axillent said in AC-DC at own:

                @jeremushka for sure

                schematic is standard, simplified version from datasheet
                D8, D11 and R22 are optional, it is to be able to source power from different sources (for example different phases, or from main power and from generator).
                D12 I'm using 11V to have output at about 12.1V

                0_1534774421834_e13974d9-183a-426d-ba50-d2bc32b3a736-изображение.png

                some questions regarding the schematics:

                1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?
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                • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

                  @axillent said in AC-DC at own:

                  @jeremushka for sure

                  schematic is standard, simplified version from datasheet
                  D8, D11 and R22 are optional, it is to be able to source power from different sources (for example different phases, or from main power and from generator).
                  D12 I'm using 11V to have output at about 12.1V

                  0_1534774421834_e13974d9-183a-426d-ba50-d2bc32b3a736-изображение.png

                  some questions regarding the schematics:

                  1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                  2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?
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                  @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

                  some questions regarding the schematics:

                  1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                  2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?

                  TVS need to be for 120-160V in case you supply 230V AC. You can refer to linkswitch designer for your specific needs.
                  The purpose of this TVS is to be a snubber because of inductive load. Instead of TVS an RC snubber could be used.

                  it is 3Watts supply, 0.5-1A slow fuse is fine

                  sense and drive

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                  • axillentA axillent

                    @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

                    some questions regarding the schematics:

                    1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                    2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?

                    TVS need to be for 120-160V in case you supply 230V AC. You can refer to linkswitch designer for your specific needs.
                    The purpose of this TVS is to be a snubber because of inductive load. Instead of TVS an RC snubber could be used.

                    it is 3Watts supply, 0.5-1A slow fuse is fine

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                    @axillent said in AC-DC at own:

                    @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

                    some questions regarding the schematics:

                    1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                    2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?

                    TVS need to be for 120-160V in case you supply 230V AC. You can refer to linkswitch designer for your specific needs.
                    The purpose of this TVS is to be a snubber because of inductive load. Instead of TVS an RC snubber could be used.

                    it is 3Watts supply, 0.5-1A slow fuse is fine

                    Thanks for the answer. i will play with this LNK component. never used it before. I am curious to know the performances of it.
                    for your design, you have added others functions on your PCB ? such as DC-DC converter ... etc.. ?

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                    • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

                      @axillent said in AC-DC at own:

                      @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

                      some questions regarding the schematics:

                      1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                      2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?

                      TVS need to be for 120-160V in case you supply 230V AC. You can refer to linkswitch designer for your specific needs.
                      The purpose of this TVS is to be a snubber because of inductive load. Instead of TVS an RC snubber could be used.

                      it is 3Watts supply, 0.5-1A slow fuse is fine

                      Thanks for the answer. i will play with this LNK component. never used it before. I am curious to know the performances of it.
                      for your design, you have added others functions on your PCB ? such as DC-DC converter ... etc.. ?

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                      @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

                      Thanks for the answer. i will play with this LNK component. never used it before. I am curious to know the performances of it.
                      for your design, you have added others functions on your PCB ? such as DC-DC converter ... etc.. ?

                      my DIN desing is universal. it is for the set of different devices with common 12V power
                      dc-dc is used to feed MCU from 12V

                      sense and drive

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                        @axillent, i am designing your board on altium designer. However, i am facing difficulties with the footprint of the transformer. Is it possible to share it or your pcb file?

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                        • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

                          @axillent, i am designing your board on altium designer. However, i am facing difficulties with the footprint of the transformer. Is it possible to share it or your pcb file?

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                          @jeremushka I do have this footprint in altium but the library is big. do you know how to export a single element?

                          sense and drive

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                          • axillentA axillent

                            @jeremushka I do have this footprint in altium but the library is big. do you know how to export a single element?

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                            @axillent yes you are right. Same for me.
                            Usually, what i am doing is to create a project library from Schematic. For that, i open the Schematic. Then Design menu => make a schematic library. All the components and footprint of the Schematic will be copied and integrated. If schematic is huge or some components no need to extract, then i remove the one i don't need from the schematic library. At this end, you may have for example only the transformer component and footprint in the schematic library and you can extract this library for dxternal purpose. It is maybe not the best methodology (i don't know) but it works.

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                            • axillentA axillent

                              @jeremushka said in AC-DC at own:

                              some questions regarding the schematics:

                              1. does TVS diode 600W 5V is efficient enough? or absolutely need cut off at 160V such as 600W 160A ?
                              2. for the Fuse, a slow fuse 10A is enough i think, isn't it?

                              TVS need to be for 120-160V in case you supply 230V AC. You can refer to linkswitch designer for your specific needs.
                              The purpose of this TVS is to be a snubber because of inductive load. Instead of TVS an RC snubber could be used.

                              it is 3Watts supply, 0.5-1A slow fuse is fine

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                              what is the TVS diode that you are using?????

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                                Regarding the OP, there's an easier way: if every time you throw out some broken, old, or obsolete gizmo or tool you hold on to just its AC-DC power-supply/charger, pretty soon you'll be up to your eyeballs in power-supplies/chargers and have a lot to choose from when you do a project. With a big enough collection, you'll likely find a match for your project straight away. If not, then in all likelihood all you'll need is just a DC-DC converter, which are cheap (as little as $1 or less for some of them), and there's nothing scary about them.

                                Problem is safely solved for very little time and money. Even better, the AC-DC converter component is probably UL listed, which a purely homespun design won't be.

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                                  @axillent can you post the pcb file of this project????

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