Electronic shelf labels (ESLs) are now used in many stores and available at very reasonable prices (5-10$ / unit) . These all seem to use ultra-low power eink display modules that only consume power when the content of the display is being changed.

E.g.: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Wireless-transmission-zero-power-electronic-shelf_60256379521.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.M2nZGP

In stark contrast, I still don't see any affordable e-ink modules available for Arduino projects. The 2.9" Adafruit module is 39$ which sounds ridiculous when you consider that a cheapo $10 ESL module contains more components and is still only quarter of the price.

Hopefully, one day ESL manufacturers will start selling their display modules standalone as well.

Until that happens: Has anyone seen a hack for any of the ESL modules so that one could use the display or the whole ESL as part of an Arduino / mysensors project?

This would give us access to affordable, ultra-low power display modules.

Hi All,

Being hit by various problems with noname nRF24 radio modules, I have decided that I try to find a more trustworthy source for my radios.

Ebyte (cdebyte) seems to:

• produce relatively affordable modules
• uses original Nordic chips
• has official store on Ebay and Aliexpress
• has a proper English website with product pages, specs and manuals
• Mysensors forums also seems to be positive around their products (from the limited number of forum entries found around their nrf24 products)

However, they have a fair amount of module types and I am unsure which one can be used for what roles in a Mysensors project (so I speculate here and I await your opinion and experience).

Range at 250 kbps data rate, prices from the official ebay/aliexpress store:

E01-ML01S
0.1 km range, PCB antenna, 0dBm, 1 mW power, non-shielded
through hole/SMD
$3.89 / 1pcs
$1.08 / 10pcs
role: node with short distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01D (red)
0.1 km range, PCB antenna, 0dBm, 1 mW power, non-shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$3.31
role: node with short distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01IPX
0.2 km range, IPEX antenna connector, 0dBm, 1 mW power, non-shielded
through hole/SMD
$3.89
role: node with short distance to gateway/repeater
notes: can have external antenna but still, 0dBm

E01-ML01DP4
1.8 km range, PCB antenna, 20dBm, 100 mW power, non-shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$3.69
role: node with long(er) distance to gateway/repeater

E01-2G4M13S
0.8 km range
PCB antenna, 13dBm, 20mW max power, advertised as PA+LNA, shielded
through-hole/SMD
$4.50
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01SP2
1.8 km range
both PCB antenna and IPEX antenna connector, 20dBm, 100mW max power, PA+LNA, non-shielded
through-hole/SMD
$3.9 / 1pcs
$1.97 / 10pcs
role: node with long(er) distance to gateway/repeater
role: gateway/repeater

E01-ML01SP4
2 km range
IPEX antenna connector, 20dBm, 100mW max power, shielded
through-hole/SMD
$3.89 / 1pcs
$1.97 / 10pcs
role: gateway/repeater
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01DP5
2.5 km range
SMA-k antenna connector, 20 dBm, 100mW max power, shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$3.89
role: gateway/repeater
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

E01-2G4M27D
5 km range
SMA-k antenna connector, 27 dBm, 500mW max power shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$5.89
role: gateway/repeater
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

If you have any experience with the above modules in any role in your network, please let me/us know.

@Igor-Antolić @mfalkvidd

Great answers, thank you both.

Thanks, I will try it out.

Thanks for the link.

Still not cheap (1.44" for $12) but at least not outrageous like the Adafruit.

It works, many thanks.

I used a 4K7 resistor as pull-up and it seems to be enough.

@bjacobse
Couldn't agree more.
This might just be the problem I face.

I have managed to upload with a home made programmer (my Uno as an AVR ISP) and test the behaviour without the bootloader.

It seems to be very fast now even in the setup(), so I think this solves the problem for me perfectly. I guess it is now below 500ms, maybe even less.

Many thanks for the help.

@rozpruwacz

Actually, I considered that as the fallback solution but I do not want to increase complexity if there is a robust, simple solution.

@Nca78 I am planning to use a couple of repeater nodes to connect far-placed nodes to the gateway (on 250kbps).
Do you think nrf24 is bad for this?

@monte
Thanks, good to know.
I am considering the E01-ML01SP2 (the little brother) as a workhorse since it is relatively cheap, has both PCB and external antenna and can do 100mW. I would mostly try to use it without the external antenna and would populate the IPEX only in problematic cases.

Hi All,

Being hit by various problems with noname nRF24 radio modules, I have decided that I try to find a more trustworthy source for my radios.

Ebyte (cdebyte) seems to:

• produce relatively affordable modules
• uses original Nordic chips
• has official store on Ebay and Aliexpress
• has a proper English website with product pages, specs and manuals
• Mysensors forums also seems to be positive around their products (from the limited number of forum entries found around their nrf24 products)

However, they have a fair amount of module types and I am unsure which one can be used for what roles in a Mysensors project (so I speculate here and I await your opinion and experience).

Range at 250 kbps data rate, prices from the official ebay/aliexpress store:

E01-ML01S
0.1 km range, PCB antenna, 0dBm, 1 mW power, non-shielded
through hole/SMD
$3.89 / 1pcs
$1.08 / 10pcs
role: node with short distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01D (red)
0.1 km range, PCB antenna, 0dBm, 1 mW power, non-shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$3.31
role: node with short distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01IPX
0.2 km range, IPEX antenna connector, 0dBm, 1 mW power, non-shielded
through hole/SMD
$3.89
role: node with short distance to gateway/repeater
notes: can have external antenna but still, 0dBm

E01-ML01DP4
1.8 km range, PCB antenna, 20dBm, 100 mW power, non-shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$3.69
role: node with long(er) distance to gateway/repeater

E01-2G4M13S
0.8 km range
PCB antenna, 13dBm, 20mW max power, advertised as PA+LNA, shielded
through-hole/SMD
$4.50
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01SP2
1.8 km range
both PCB antenna and IPEX antenna connector, 20dBm, 100mW max power, PA+LNA, non-shielded
through-hole/SMD
$3.9 / 1pcs
$1.97 / 10pcs
role: node with long(er) distance to gateway/repeater
role: gateway/repeater

E01-ML01SP4
2 km range
IPEX antenna connector, 20dBm, 100mW max power, shielded
through-hole/SMD
$3.89 / 1pcs
$1.97 / 10pcs
role: gateway/repeater
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

E01-ML01DP5
2.5 km range
SMA-k antenna connector, 20 dBm, 100mW max power, shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$3.89
role: gateway/repeater
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

E01-2G4M27D
5 km range
SMA-k antenna connector, 27 dBm, 500mW max power shielded
soldered pins/DIP
$5.89
role: gateway/repeater
role: node with long distance to gateway/repeater

If you have any experience with the above modules in any role in your network, please let me/us know.

@tomwor2
Hit Tomwor

I haven't got anywhere with this projec yet.

According to the local distributor, it is almost sure that this old model has no Modbus support (newer models do).

So signal analisis is the only way to go forward.

I have got my hands on a USB signal analyzer by now but lacking the free time to do anything with it.

@user2684
Thanks for your answer.

I will check out other boards and experiment with disabling debug.

What is the smallest / weakest Arduino model recommended for NodeManager?

I am using Arduino Nano V3-s but I get code-size errors at sketch uploading after activating 3 sensor types (Relay, Light-LDR and Dallas Temp) + some features (Debugging, Configuration, Receive, Conditional Report) with NodeManager 1.7.

Are Arduino Nano and Pro Mini recommended/supported by NodeManager?

In addition to the others, I would like to activate Eeprom, Ota_Configuration and Hooking features.

@gohan
Thanks, I am thinking of buying a logic analyzer even if not needed for this particular task.

@dbemowsk
Thanks, I will investigate the protocol further. Based on Thucar's comment it seems that it actually has an integration protocol only the Hungarian distributor was not aware of it.

@thucar
Thanks, this is very promising.
I will look into the OpenHAB modbus integration and the Villavent docs you linked.

Hi Everyone,

I would like to integrate a SystemAir Villavent VM 400 EV house ventilation unit into my OpenHAB / MySensors based home automation system (to intelligently control the strength of the air-flow for the rooms based on air-quality sensor data).

This model has no integration to any automation system (according to the local distributor) but has a wired remote control panel so I assume it is possible to decipher the commands sent on the wire between the control panel and the ventilation unit (looks like simple telephone cable).

How can I read / debug the commands ?

How can I build an Arduino + sketch to also send a command on the cable ?

Any help / pointers is appreciated !
Andras

@rozpruwacz

Actually, I considered that as the fallback solution but I do not want to increase complexity if there is a robust, simple solution.

I have managed to upload with a home made programmer (my Uno as an AVR ISP) and test the behaviour without the bootloader.

It seems to be very fast now even in the setup(), so I think this solves the problem for me perfectly. I guess it is now below 500ms, maybe even less.

Many thanks for the help.