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My MYSX Multisensors board

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    flopp
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    #6

    thanks for sharing, it looks really nice.
    3 years on one AA, in real life if that will be 2 years i am more than happy:smiley:

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      scalz
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      #7

      @HenryWhite : lol :smiley: cool. I hope you will enjoy. just for curiosity, which design are you tempted to build?

      @tbowmo : that is exactly why I posted some preview, to get feedbacks like that. thx :)
      So good to know.
      Yes there are pullups for radio and eeprom. we can see on top view, the first row bottom right corner.
      The dotted cutoff plane, I need to check you are right, ugly, I need to lower width.
      For ground plane near nrf antenna, totally right, I am thinking 1) rearrange a little near the ws2812, but better like you said 2) shift antenna pad. I will look at this.
      Other thing I will try tonight, is making passives 0805 and keep 0603 for booster part. But I am not sure for 0805 if there will be enough room. I say this because I prefer to handle 0805, but I want enough space between passives this time.

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        carlierd
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        Your project is not yet on openhardware.io !! What are you doing ?? ;)

        Très belle carte en tout cas ! J'ai hate de voir comment ça fonctionne.

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          #9

          @carlierd: merci :)

          Last night, I made some change from previous feedback ;)

          • 2 versions :
          1. my preferred stepup version (not friendly because of the tiny stepup like I said)
          2. a buck version. But an interesting one, and of course it is better to use with lithium than classic lipo&co (sefldischarge...)... But in case, some people would be disappointed by inaccessibility of the stepup rev, I have done this new one. For 3 or 4 primary AA/AAA cells, or other setup... Before, when I was seeing lot of cells in a device, I was thinking "what a battery eater!!". But now I am thinking different, it can be justified in case the device is low power ;) So it is an alternative, why not.
          • 0805 passives on two version (but for the stepup passives, I keep 0603 around it, shorter routes)

          So which buck I choosed?? I could have choosed some dfn from TI or Linear...there are some great. But dfn is not easy for everyone ! So I found, a not yet released (new) ic, and I am waiting samples from a local distributor.

          It's XC9265:

          • lot of variant
          • 2 to 6V vin
          • the 2.9V Vout samples I am waiting for is rated 0.7uA in active mode.
          • 90% efficiecny at 10-15uA light load
          • and not the least, SOT25 package.

          Wow, another crazy nugget! Hum..I think manufacturers should reward me, am I good at advertising ??? ahaha :laughing: And for the fun, preview of the buck rev with 0805 passives.
          0_1453982280528_2016-01-28_12-40-20.png
          does it look better now @tbowmo ? your feedbacks are always appreciated :)

          And free of charge :laughing: Sorry...it just makes me laugh :)
          Here an eval board I have designed for this buck.
          0_1453982647238_2016-01-28_12-39-51.png
          As you can see on it, there still are :

          • 2x ferrite on Vout and Gnd
          • as this buck is only one Vout. I added one mosfet to have a second enable/disable Vout2 . So we have Vmain always active(0.8u Iq), and a switchable Vsub.
            Size of this eval board : 12x16mm
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            shabba
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            Would be so great if these could be bought assembled :-)

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              @scalz

              That's much better :)

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                scalz
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                wrote on last edited by scalz
                #12

                @tbowmo: thx. So I am happy.
                I will post schematic soon, need to clean my notes! it's rather simple.

                @shabba: thx. I am thinking about it...I don't know for the moment the easier/cheaper way for me and you. China or homemade batch..and there is a fablab near my home, which is able to handle mini batch...
                And it is chinese new year so I can't get a quote. I need to do the BOM now to evaluate. But I have tried to keep things cheap vs perf vs quality..It's 2layer (so cheaper, maybe for emi it would be better 4layer, but I will see), radio should not be included in price (we can choose which one so), atmel or passives are cheap, not too much ic. I am much more worried about sensors soldering china price...But I will see, it's planned.

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                  Denke
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                  #13

                  Really great project. Thanks for giving me ideas and inspiration. This was my next step to go for after my thermostat and dimmer project

                  RaspberryPi-Openhab

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                    Denke
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                    #14

                    For the box
                    Is the battery kept away from the antenna part of the design. My question is is the board longer than an AA battery including battery "connectors"

                    RaspberryPi-Openhab

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                      scalz
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                      wrote on last edited by scalz
                      #15

                      @Denke: thx, I like your board too :) yes, I thought about it ;) you can see it on the first pics. Antenna is just above the OSH silskcreen

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                        Denke
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                        #16

                        If you have space issues i think you should go for 0402 size, its not that hard to solder if you have a magnifing lamp, a good soldering iron, a tweezers and some thin soldering iron :)

                        RaspberryPi-Openhab

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                          scalz
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                          #17

                          Yep I have already all these tools ;)
                          I have already soldered 0402, for sensebender for instance :) I ordered 3 boards at oshpark, couldn't wait! It works well.
                          But when I can, I prefer 0805, or 0603 min. My way to share. 0402, not everyone will try, nor 805 I know..! And I prefer to minimize mistake source , less small things, less error possibilities at prototyping. I could have choosed atmel vqfn too!
                          I like when I see someone sharing 0603/0805 files. When I see something 0402 and really need it, I make it 0805/0603 ;)
                          For this board I think 0603 min is ok. For the moment it's 0805, I will try to add a little bit more clearance before ordering it.
                          It could be a little bit smaller with 0402, but not much, there are antenna area, and battery connector, components on top... And between a 6 or 6.5cm pcb...hum is it really useful, I am far away of coincell size so! And I don't want to put radio on bottom, between the pcb and battery holder. it would add more thickness.

                          Sensebender is a very special case, a challenge. It is the ultra mini sensor board. but no batt holder. Add it and a box, it's not the same size. There are minimal

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                            Dylantje
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                            looks great....Is there a sketch, and a how to?

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                              skatun
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                              Any update on this one? Chinese new year is over now...

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