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    a-lurker
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    There was some conversation about mounting the radio near metal parts - such as over the ground plane of the nearby motherboard. This was a good point. Nearby metal work can distort the radiation pattern (eg some directions becoming completely shielded from the radio ) and/or detuning the aerial resulting in lower overall radiated power.

    This large PDF discusses this aspect of PCB design (for their device) starting on page 21:

    http://www.rfduino.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RFD22301.Data_.Sheet_.11.24.13_11.38PM.pdf

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      therik
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      Nice find, this seems to suggest that it is optimal to have the radio hang off the edge of the shield/pcb with nothing under and limited components to the sides. This is the configuration I was think of implementing anyway.

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        My new pcb's. Smallest for room light, to fit behind wall switch. Second(left) is for kitchen - 3 ds18b20(kitchen temp, fridge temp, and freezer temp), motion sensor, 1602 display, and 2 contact switches for fridge door. Last is for nokia 5110 display, and motion sensor. I can display anything i want on this node. 20140815_195808.jpg

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        • jendrushJ jendrush

          My new pcb's. Smallest for room light, to fit behind wall switch. Second(left) is for kitchen - 3 ds18b20(kitchen temp, fridge temp, and freezer temp), motion sensor, 1602 display, and 2 contact switches for fridge door. Last is for nokia 5110 display, and motion sensor. I can display anything i want on this node. 20140815_195808.jpg

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          marceltrapman
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          @jendrush said:

          My new pcb's.

          I noticed that you do top and bottom layer also on connectors.
          How do you solder that?

          I have read a lot about creating your own pcb's and all seem to suggest to use via's...

          Fulltime Servoy Developer
          Parttime Moderator MySensors board

          I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
          I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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            @jendrush said:

            My new pcb's.

            I noticed that you do top and bottom layer also on connectors.
            How do you solder that?

            I have read a lot about creating your own pcb's and all seem to suggest to use via's...

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            jendrush
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            #7

            @marceltrapman said:

            I noticed that you do top and bottom layer also on connectors.
            How do you solder that?

            I have read a lot about creating your own pcb's and all seem to suggest to use via's...

            I am using VIA too. Only this board for 5110 display have soldering points on both sides becouse display is connected on the one side, rest on the other. Normally all soldering points have to be on one side.

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            • jendrushJ jendrush

              I do not remember who started this topic. But this time i will start. Those are my photos from custom PCB production https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ec4ap8dgci1oe0p/AAD3YIqS_JqKMiUFu9TAfF5Ca . This is my second PCB, first was made 12 years ago for school project. I've made few mistakes, but next board will be much much better.

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              ferpando
              Hero Member
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              #8

              Here is my first attemp at it.
              I just started with eagle, so maybe there is room for improvement.
              This is for a dimmer node, with some connector for motion detector and light sensor.
              It has an onboard 7805 regulator and a mosfet to PWM the leds.

              mynode.png

              Comments are welcome

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              • ferpandoF ferpando

                Here is my first attemp at it.
                I just started with eagle, so maybe there is room for improvement.
                This is for a dimmer node, with some connector for motion detector and light sensor.
                It has an onboard 7805 regulator and a mosfet to PWM the leds.

                mynode.png

                Comments are welcome

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                jendrush
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                @ferpando Your's PCB looks more pro than mine:) But designing pcb for home etching is little harder becouse there is no easy way to make double sided soldering points, so every soldering point must be at one side of pcb.

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                • ferpandoF ferpando

                  Here is my first attemp at it.
                  I just started with eagle, so maybe there is room for improvement.
                  This is for a dimmer node, with some connector for motion detector and light sensor.
                  It has an onboard 7805 regulator and a mosfet to PWM the leds.

                  mynode.png

                  Comments are welcome

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                  Damme
                  Code Contributor
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                  @ferpando I would run reset to one of your unused pins at the radio and you have a custom ISP connector.

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                  • jendrushJ jendrush

                    @ferpando Your's PCB looks more pro than mine:) But designing pcb for home etching is little harder becouse there is no easy way to make double sided soldering points, so every soldering point must be at one side of pcb.

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                    ferpando
                    Hero Member
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                    #11

                    @jendrush
                    I don't think soldering on both sides would be a problem.
                    You just need to have a little more room.
                    I'll post pictures of the finished board.

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                    • DammeD Damme

                      @ferpando I would run reset to one of your unused pins at the radio and you have a custom ISP connector.

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                      ferpando
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                      @Damme
                      Yes that would be nice to have :-)
                      I'll implement it on the next iteration

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                        Vodden
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                        @ferpando

                        Did you ever produce the board that you have pictured above for the dimmable LED's?

                        Did it work?

                        I would be interested in getting 7-10 of these for 12V LED cable lighting applications that I currently have in my home that cannot be supported by conventional Z-Wave dimmers due to the lights being fed from a 120VAC to 12VDC converter. I have made one on a prototype PCB but it is still slightly large for the enclosure and the one you pictured appears that it would fit tidily in the enclosures.

                        Thx

                        Vodden

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                          @ferpando

                          Did you ever produce the board that you have pictured above for the dimmable LED's?

                          Did it work?

                          I would be interested in getting 7-10 of these for 12V LED cable lighting applications that I currently have in my home that cannot be supported by conventional Z-Wave dimmers due to the lights being fed from a 120VAC to 12VDC converter. I have made one on a prototype PCB but it is still slightly large for the enclosure and the one you pictured appears that it would fit tidily in the enclosures.

                          Thx

                          Vodden

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                          Mrlynx
                          Hardware Contributor
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                          @Vodden how large is your enclosure?
                          I am working on a daughterboard for my mys1.1 with 4 channels of pwm and current measuring on each channel.
                          each board is 50x50 mm stacked on top of each other.

                          http://www.sa2avr.se

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                            @Vodden how large is your enclosure?
                            I am working on a daughterboard for my mys1.1 with 4 channels of pwm and current measuring on each channel.
                            each board is 50x50 mm stacked on top of each other.

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                            Vodden
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                            @Mrlynx

                            I'm unsure if this solution would work or not. What I am working with is an IKEA Termosfar enclosure. There is very limited room inside and I think that the solution you have proposed wouldn't likely fit.

                            The prototype board is VERY tight mostly due to the thickness with the pin header installed. The outside dimensions are also critical, with the smallest possible prototype board just barely able to fit. I think the pictured PCB would work perfectly and I have all the parts to build it.

                            @rosskinard was working on a version of these boards as well but had some issues with the pinout, but I have not heard of any progress on it or if they are available. I was hoping that these ones were available so I could get these lights on dimmers.

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                              ferpando
                              Hero Member
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                              Hello,

                              I've been really busy with work and havn't had the time to do some proper testing.
                              I did assemble a home made board and hope to do some tests soon.
                              Here's how it looks like:

                              IMG_7931.JPG IMG_7930.JPG IMG_7929.JPG

                              I'll keep you posted

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                                Vodden
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                                @ferpando
                                @rosskinard

                                Has anyone made any headway on this project?

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