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  • hekH hek

    It could be the radio entering some weird state due to power issues (spikes etc). Have to tried some other power source on the sensor and adding a capacitor?

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    RJ_Make
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    @hek said:> It could be the radio entering some weird state due to power issues (spikes etc). Have to tried some other power source on the sensor and adding a capacitor?

    Wouldn't a power cycle or reset (button on the mini pro) correct that? It's almost like the eeprom is getting scrambled.

    RJ_Make

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      last night I upped the cap on the radio to 47uf on one of the sensors, and left the other one alone. This morning the one with the cap was still running, but the other was locked up.

      I power cycled the serial gateway, and it **appears **that the sensor came back up. So I decided to install the 47uf on the locked up sensor.

      Until next time.

      RJ_Make

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      • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

        last night I upped the cap on the radio to 47uf on one of the sensors, and left the other one alone. This morning the one with the cap was still running, but the other was locked up.

        I power cycled the serial gateway, and it **appears **that the sensor came back up. So I decided to install the 47uf on the locked up sensor.

        Until next time.

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        @ServiceXp One major stability change I did was using shorter wire bewteen radio and arduino.

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        • DammeD Damme

          @ServiceXp One major stability change I did was using shorter wire bewteen radio and arduino.

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          @Damme
          Thanks.

          Unfortunately, I can't get any closer in my environment without going to a custom designed pcb. All my wires are soldered and are only 2" max in length. :-)

          RJ_Make

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            Well locked up again. I have confirmed that rebooting the gateway and or the Vera has NO effect. The only fix is to clear the eeprom and start over with the sensor.

            At this point I dont think its the gateway but I am not sure where to go at this point?

            RJ_Make

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              This is very weird...but the wierdest bit to me is that you need to clear the eeprom to get it going again!

              Are you using the example sketches un-modified for these sensors?

              Few ideas:

              1. What about adding some code to void setup to print out all values in the eeprom - to test your idea in them being corrupt?

              2. What about swapping the mini pro's from your working DHT22 sensor and using it for the temp sensor...see if the problem follows....

              3. Change the resistor/add capacitor to the temp sensor in case the output is not ideal from the pro-mini http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-11268.html
                ( i have some ds18b20's on long cables using parasite power and i needed to drop the resistor value for stability)

              4. Change the powersupply AND cable !. Are you using a USB port on your computer??
                Hows it all connected up? ( post a photo )

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              • greglG gregl

                This is very weird...but the wierdest bit to me is that you need to clear the eeprom to get it going again!

                Are you using the example sketches un-modified for these sensors?

                Few ideas:

                1. What about adding some code to void setup to print out all values in the eeprom - to test your idea in them being corrupt?

                2. What about swapping the mini pro's from your working DHT22 sensor and using it for the temp sensor...see if the problem follows....

                3. Change the resistor/add capacitor to the temp sensor in case the output is not ideal from the pro-mini http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-11268.html
                  ( i have some ds18b20's on long cables using parasite power and i needed to drop the resistor value for stability)

                4. Change the powersupply AND cable !. Are you using a USB port on your computer??
                  Hows it all connected up? ( post a photo )

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                @gregl said:> This is very weird...but the wierdest bit to me is that you need to clear the eeprom to get it going again!

                Are you using the example sketches un-modified for these sensors?

                Few ideas:

                1. What about adding some code to void setup to print out all values in the eeprom - to test your idea in them being corrupt?

                2. What about swapping the mini pro's from your working DHT22 sensor and using it for the temp sensor...see if the problem follows....

                3. Change the resistor/add capacitor to the temp sensor in case the output is not ideal from the pro-mini http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-11268.html
                  ( i have some ds18b20's on long cables using parasite power and i needed to drop the resistor value for stability)

                4. Change the powersupply AND cable !. Are you using a USB port on your computer??
                  Hows it all connected up? ( post a photo )

                Yes, using the default sketch, with only a hard coded C to F conversion change.

                1. Not sure how to do that??
                2. I should be able to do that.
                3. How do I determine the appropriate size resistor and or cap? The wire length on one sensor is the standard DS18B20 length, The other sensor has been lengthened slightly to pass under a freezer door gasket. (Pic Below)
                4. These are battery powered sensors, and until the MySensors step up regulator is release I think it's my only option.

                The flat section is a SATA cable, very well spiced in.

                20140904_072228_Android.jpg

                20140904_072241_Android.jpg

                The only difference in this sensor build compared to the other is I started using screw in connector blocks for the sensor connection. (and of course the SATA cable splice.)
                20140904_072324_Android.jpg

                RJ_Make

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                  Thinking out loud.... In both area's I have z-wave extenders in close proximity of the sensors. Hmmmmm

                  RJ_Make

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                  • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

                    Thinking out loud.... In both area's I have z-wave extenders in close proximity of the sensors. Hmmmmm

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                    @ServiceXp Now when you sayit... I had a wireless mouse that lowerd my reception. A cheap brand, I did't like it and everytime a sensor transmitted the mouse got laggy.

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                    • greglG gregl

                      This is very weird...but the wierdest bit to me is that you need to clear the eeprom to get it going again!

                      Are you using the example sketches un-modified for these sensors?

                      Few ideas:

                      1. What about adding some code to void setup to print out all values in the eeprom - to test your idea in them being corrupt?

                      2. What about swapping the mini pro's from your working DHT22 sensor and using it for the temp sensor...see if the problem follows....

                      3. Change the resistor/add capacitor to the temp sensor in case the output is not ideal from the pro-mini http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-11268.html
                        ( i have some ds18b20's on long cables using parasite power and i needed to drop the resistor value for stability)

                      4. Change the powersupply AND cable !. Are you using a USB port on your computer??
                        Hows it all connected up? ( post a photo )

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                      #19

                      @gregl said:> This is very weird...but the wierdest bit to me is that you need to clear the eeprom to get it going again!

                      Are you using the example sketches un-modified for these sensors?

                      Few ideas:

                      1. What about adding some code to void setup to print out all values in the eeprom - to test your idea in them being corrupt?

                      2. What about swapping the mini pro's from your working DHT22 sensor and using it for the temp sensor...see if the problem follows....

                      3. Change the resistor/add capacitor to the temp sensor in case the output is not ideal from the pro-mini http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-11268.html
                        ( i have some ds18b20's on long cables using parasite power and i needed to drop the resistor value for stability)

                      4. Change the powersupply AND cable !. Are you using a USB port on your computer??
                        Hows it all connected up? ( post a photo )

                      Still dealing with this...

                      1. Built up a completely new freezer sensor, connected it, and it locked up 8hrs later. My EH40 project with the DS18B20 is also locking up. This is driving me crazy..

                      2. I added a cap (.22uF) to my EH40, but it still locked up.

                      I've removed all near by z-wave devices, so I now know that is not causing it..

                      RJ_Make

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                        Let me ask you guys this.. Is it 'OK' to power the mini pro via the VCC terminal on the side? This is how I've been powering all my sensors...
                        Should I be using the RAW pin?

                        I've been powering the DS18B20 directly from the stepped up 3.3v output of the module (not the mini pro)

                        RJ_Make

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                        • RJ_MakeR RJ_Make

                          Let me ask you guys this.. Is it 'OK' to power the mini pro via the VCC terminal on the side? This is how I've been powering all my sensors...
                          Should I be using the RAW pin?

                          I've been powering the DS18B20 directly from the stepped up 3.3v output of the module (not the mini pro)

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                          #21

                          @ServiceXp
                          If you are feeding 3.3v to the VCC pin it should be ok but if you are in fact feeding 3.3v to the RAW pin it might not be enough (Input Voltage 3.35 -12 V (3.3V model))

                          http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardProMini

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                            #22

                            Locked up again this morning @ 7:37am with a temp of -0.1. So a .47uF cap isn't the answer.... I think my last option before giving up on this is to remove the stepup regulator.

                            Any other idea's?

                            RJ_Make

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                              @ServiceXp
                              Could you try running a sketch which just uses the dallas temp lib eg: there is is an example called "Single" with the DallasTemperature lib. RUn it for 24hrs and see if it survives.

                              Likewise... in your existing sketch...stop reading the temps ( but leave everything connected) and just send a value every say 30sec to Vera .... and leave for 24hrs or so...see if that survives.

                              Also have you tried a different PIN for the onewire sensor?

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                                @ServiceXp
                                Could you try running a sketch which just uses the dallas temp lib eg: there is is an example called "Single" with the DallasTemperature lib. RUn it for 24hrs and see if it survives.

                                Likewise... in your existing sketch...stop reading the temps ( but leave everything connected) and just send a value every say 30sec to Vera .... and leave for 24hrs or so...see if that survives.

                                Also have you tried a different PIN for the onewire sensor?

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                                @gregl said:> @ServiceXp

                                Could you try running a sketch which just uses the dallas temp lib eg: there is is an example called "Single" with the DallasTemperature lib. RUn it for 24hrs and see if it survives.

                                Likewise... in your existing sketch...stop reading the temps ( but leave everything connected) and just send a value every say 30sec to Vera .... and leave for 24hrs or so...see if that survives.

                                Also have you tried a different PIN for the onewire sensor?

                                1. and 2) ---- will do and report back.

                                Do you think the wire it self could be a/the problem. Since much of the sensor line is also subject to low temps, maybe it's breaking down some how... (Although I'm using 3 different DS18B20 sensors) just talking out loud..... ;-) ....

                                1. I have not, but I can add that to the 'things to try' list..

                                Thanks for you help @gregl

                                RJ_Make

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                                  @ServiceXp

                                  My PCBs are winging their way to you (sorry, got forgot to send them for a week or two). They may solve your problem. Let me know when you get them.

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                                    @ServiceXp

                                    My PCBs are winging their way to you (sorry, got forgot to send them for a week or two). They may solve your problem. Let me know when you get them.

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                                    @Bandra Thank you Sir. I'll report back.

                                    RJ_Make

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                                      @ServiceXp
                                      Could you try running a sketch which just uses the dallas temp lib eg: there is is an example called "Single" with the DallasTemperature lib. RUn it for 24hrs and see if it survives.

                                      Likewise... in your existing sketch...stop reading the temps ( but leave everything connected) and just send a value every say 30sec to Vera .... and leave for 24hrs or so...see if that survives.

                                      Also have you tried a different PIN for the onewire sensor?

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                                      @gregl
                                      Only sending this, every 30 sec

                                      gw.send(msgTEMP.setSensor(i).set(777, 1));
                                      

                                      and this is what I'm getting in return.. Not sure what the fails are about?

                                      2014-09-11_7-23-39.png

                                      RJ_Make

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                                        The section of code

                                        	void sendTemperatureToController(){
                                        		//Start time for Temperature readings
                                        		TemperatureTimeing = millis ();
                                        		
                                        		// Fetch temperatures from Dallas sensors
                                        		//sensors.requestTemperatures();
                                        		
                                        		// Read temperatures and send them to controller
                                        		for (int i=0; i<numSensors && i<MAX_ATTACHED_DS18B20; i++) {
                                        			// Fetch and round temperature to one decimal
                                        			//float temperature = static_cast<float>(static_cast<int>((sensors.getTempFByIndex(i)) * 10.)) / 10.;
                                        			//float temperature = static_cast<float>(static_cast<int>((gw.getConfig().isMetric?sensors.getTempCByIndex(i):sensors.getTempFByIndex(i)) * 10.)) / 10.;
                                        			// Only send data if temperature has changed and no error
                                        			
                                        			//if (lastTemperature[i] != temperature && temperature != -127.00) {
                                        				//// Send in the new temperature
                                        				//gw.send(msgTEMP.setSensor(i).set(temperature,1));
                                        				//lastTemperature[i]=temperature;
                                        			//}
                                        			gw.send(msgTEMP.setSensor(i).set(777, 1));
                                        		}
                                        
                                        	}
                                        

                                        RJ_Make

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                                          Ok,
                                          The sensor has has been running for ~24 hrs and has not locked up. So the problem is either in the code (which I doubt because I think others would be seeing this problem) or the actual DS18B20's. Maybe a bad run of them?

                                          I think I'm going to let it run a while longer like this, just to make sure.

                                          RJ_Make

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