CNC PCB milling

[NeverDie]

@zboblamont said in CNC PCB milling:

was going to replace the ER11 with a larger version

Given how it's installed, I don't see how you can get it off. I would assume it's permanent.

[zboblamont]

@neverdie From memory the guy got it off with a hub-puller, and a persuader, but the point I was trying to make was that there is a collet assembly for the ER11which takes 8mm...

[executivul]

@neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

Anyway, once I do get the firmware upgraded and it wired up, what's the best way to start testing it? Do I need to learn GRBL as execuval seems to imply, or are there some simple tests I can run? I imagine some kind of calibration would be the need step, but I haven't read that far ahead because there's nothing to read (well, haven't googled it out yet either).

First watch the video (now I can't get it out of my head :man-bowing: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOk6echpeqQ

Then, after you update to grbl 0.9j go to chilipeppr.com/grbl, download the SPJS, start it and start playing.

[NeverDie]

I hope these heatsinks that came with the kit don't short things out. Seems rather dicey.

In any case, until I can find my Dragon, I'm going to limp along with GRBL 0.9j so I can finish up the build. I'll upgrade later after I find it.

[andrew]

@neverdie the er-11 should be permanent. this spindle is not powerful enough to handle bigger tools and to mill harder materials.

you can start with grbl 0.9j, but it is worth to upgrade to 1.1f.
to the fw upgrade you can use a simple arduino as ISP programmer as well if you do not find your dragon.

with chilipeppr (in case of grbl 0.9j go for http://chilipeppr.com/grbl , for 1.1.f go for http://chilipeppr.com/jpadie) you can quickly run its default logo engraving path for testing / demo purposes.

[NeverDie]

Done! Jack was certainly, uh, generous with the length of the wiring. I provisionally tacked it out of the way with the zip ties provided. I'll secure it better after I'm sure it's all working.

[andrew]

@neverdie for the cable issue I ordered this cable organizer spiral, although not yet installed it :)

[NeverDie]

@andrew said in CNC PCB milling:

with chilipeppr (in case of grbl 0.9j go for http://chilipeppr.com/grbl , for 1.1.f go for http://chilipeppr.com/jpadie) you can quickly run its default logo engraving path for testing / demo purposes.

Thanks! That provided exactly what I was looking for. I ran the demo with no etching bit installed, and at first both X and Y seemed to be working, but the adapter coupling eventually loosened on both of them to the point where there was no longer X and Y movement. I've re-tightened tem, and it's working again. I hope it lasts.

Not sure where I should go next from here though.

[andrew]

@neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

@andrew said in CNC PCB milling:

with chilipeppr (in case of grbl 0.9j go for http://chilipeppr.com/grbl , for 1.1.f go for http://chilipeppr.com/jpadie) you can quickly run its default logo engraving path for testing / demo purposes.

Thanks! That provided exactly what I was looking for. I ran the demo with no etching bit installed, and at first both X and Y seemed to be working, but the adapter coupling eventually loosened on both of them to the point where there was no longer X and Y movement. I've re-tightened tem, and it's working again. I hope it lasts.

Not sure where I should go next from here though.

so, as this machine does not have limit switches installed, it is your responsibility to move the gantry to a position, from where you would like to start the job and which provides enough space for each direction movement. usually you have to set a relative zero at the given starting point.

what is next? did you adjusted the stepper drivers? if not, then do it (I shared the link above). this is necessary to be sure, that the steppers will be powered with enough current (so they will be powerful enough for the given speed related movement and to provide enough force) or will not be overdriven.

then, I would say try to engrave the chilipeppr logo to a soft material first, have some experience with the cnc.
then, as I mentioned, discover the flatcam tool and try to create an isolation routing job for a test pcb.
I already mentioned my confirmed settings for the given jobs (edge / hole milling, isolation routing).
you should sacrifice some boards for your experience :)

also, try to find your ideal g code sender tool by trying multiple ones.

[NeverDie]

I don't see any plugs on the woodpecker board that are designated for connecting to a touch plate. So, I guess it's configured using the woodpecker header pins? How is that best set up?

By the way, after re-tightening the set-screws on the adapters used to connect the step-motors to the screw rods, they seem to be holding now and not slipping loose. I take it back, one of them just came loose again. :(

[NeverDie]

@neverdie said in CNC PCB milling:

one of them just came loose again

And now the other one did too. Is anyone using a threadlocker on the set screws to keep this from happening?

I think I'll put on some locktite and let it dry overnight and then see if it still happens tomorrow. I'll start with just the threaded rods.

Anyhow, the good news is that the heat sinks plainly did not short out the GRBL controller boards. I guess the adhesive must act as an electrical insulator.

[NeverDie]

Thinking about it now, an alternative might be to grind one side of the threaded rod flat in the region where it fits into the adapter. That would match the concept of the motor rotor, where that has already been done.

Ideally I would notch it in just the region where the set screw makes contact. I suppose I could do that with a Dremel.

Investigating now, I see that the adapter came loose on the motor rotor also. So, I think locktite will be a must.

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/tds/T_LKR_BLUE_tds.pdf

Looking at the datasheet, it takes 24 hours to cure.

[NeverDie]

Well, humbug! I'm all out. Maybe tomorrow I'll buy the red threadlocker, which is even stronger.

[NeverDie]

@rmtucker Which g-code sender is it that you like best?

[dbemowsk]

@neverdie, or anyone else that can answer this with some logic, just because the topic came up. Why does Loctite red come in a blue container and loctite blue come in a red container?

[Yveaux]

@dbemowsk said in CNC PCB milling:

Why does Loctite red come in a blue container and loctite blue come in a red container?

Made in China?

[NeverDie]

Probably historical reasons.

[dbemowsk]

@yveaux LOL

[NeverDie]

Probably a committee decision. Half liked red, and the other half liked blue. They were deadlocked, and this was their compromise decision. :laughing:

[andrew]

@neverdie for the touch sensing you should use A5 connector from the headers, connecting it to the actual tool (bit), then a gnd (header's bottom row) connecting to the pcb's surface.

for the tool connection I use crocodile clamps.

screws: you did not fasten them enough. at the beginning I also missed some endpoints, but since I put the cnc together, I had no issue with any of my screws.