atmega328p small (SMD) alternative with more memory?

[Anticimex]

@neverdie I know, but it is still a detail worth mentioning. It is not a drop in replacement unless you happen to sit on compatible debuggers or programmers already. And even then, I am unsure if the arduino IDE can be used to program a suitable bootloader in a user friendly way.
That said, I agree that nrf52 is the future. Closely followed by SAMD.

[NeverDie]

There doesn't exist a drop in replacement.

[Anticimex]

@neverdie a SenseBender mk2 based on samd would be a drop in replacement for SenseBender.

[alexsh1]

@anticimex it would be good, right Thomas @tbowmo? :)))
Given my experience, I'd rather go for SAMD - at least I do not have to start from zero.

[alexsh1]

Are there any similar size wise alternatives to SenseBender mk2 (SAMD), which are available right now?

[alexsh1]

@NeverDie Check out this one nRF52. Its not cheap though

https://www.tindie.com/products/onehorse/nrf52-add-on-for-butterfly-and-teensy/?pt=ac_prod_search

[alexsh1]

Alternatively, this is a good size for a node - https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13664

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1 said in atmega328p small (SMD) alternative with more memory?:

@NeverDie Check out this one nRF52. Its not cheap though

https://www.tindie.com/products/onehorse/nrf52-add-on-for-butterfly-and-teensy/?pt=ac_prod_search

Yes, I would agree that's interesting. He uses it as a BLE device, albeit purely as a UART channel, which so far isn't something that we've managed to do here with the nRF52. @GertSanders might want to take notice, as he has been doing something similar for logging purposes, but with a different bluetooth.

[NeverDie]

@anticimex said in atmega328p small (SMD) alternative with more memory?:

SenseBender mk2

If that's how you define drop-in replacement, I'll concede the point.

Actually, I suppose if you had a fast enough ARM, it could emulate an atmega328p (well, at least its software behavior), and thereby indirectly offer up additional memory. I actually own a board which, IIRC, does that, and it can run code even faster than the atmega328. Just don't expect low power performance out of it.

[Anticimex]

@neverdie I perhaps misread the thread title... I did not interpret the quest as something that should be binary identical to atmega328p.

[NeverDie]

@anticimex Yeah, the title was ambiguous. Looking back, your interpretation is probably closer than mine as to what he meant though.

[alexsh1]

@anticimex you are absolutely correct. It does not have to be binary identical to atmega328p. However, size wise, it has to be small enough.

For now atmega1284p is a direct replacement for atmega328p as code is almost identical. I do not need much more processing power just memory. However, I did struggle to find a very small footprint.

[tbowmo]

@alexsh1

Hmm.. perhaps I should pick up on the SenseBender MK2 again.. I lost focus as I had a lot of other projects running at the same time..

If I remember right, it had problems in it's bootup sequence when I left it alone last..

[NeverDie]

In terms of BOM cost, it would be cheaper to add a second atmega328p (or even multiple) than to use a 1284. Maybe worth considering if memory of just one is insufficient.

[tbowmo]

@NeverDie

You will then waste memory with "intercom" between the devices. As they have to speak together in some way..

[alexsh1]

@neverdie Did you see any small devices with two atmega328p?
Unfortunately, atmega1284p is more pricey (Moteino Mega is $15.95 on sale right now) and size wise it is much larger than atmega328p-au projects.

[NeverDie]

@alexsh1 said in atmega328p small (SMD) alternative with more memory?:

Unfortunately, atmega1284p is more pricey (Moteino Mega is $15.95 on sale right now) and size wise it is much larger than atmega328p-au projects.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say.

[NeverDie]

On the other hand, if you go with the cheapest source, the 1284p is not too bad. Here's the cheapest I could find:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ATMEGA1284P-AU-ATMEGA1284P-ATMEGA1284-TQFP44/32864539405.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.2efd4b5asFo5Vr&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_5722912_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10341_10548_5722612_10698_10545_10697_10696_5722812_10084_10083_10618_5722712_10307_5711215_10059_10534_308_100031_10103_441_10624_10623_10622_5711315_10621_5723012_10620_5722512,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=2d7e9a21-bc2a-4ce1-bfa8-6246a79e84df-0&algo_pvid=2d7e9a21-bc2a-4ce1-bfa8-6246a79e84df&priceBeautifyAB=0

[alexsh1]

@neverdie said in atmega328p small (SMD) alternative with more memory?:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ATMEGA1284P-AU-ATMEGA1284P-ATMEGA1284-TQFP44/32864539405.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.2efd4b5asFo5Vr&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_5722912_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10341_10548_5722612_10698_10545_10697_10696_5722812_10084_10083_10618_5722712_10307_5711215_10059_10534_308_100031_10103_441_10624_10623_10622_5711315_10621_5723012_10620_5722512,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=2d7e9a21-bc2a-4ce1-bfa8-6246a79e84df-0&algo_pvid=2d7e9a21-bc2a-4ce1-bfa8-6246a79e84df&priceBeautifyAB=0

I paid around £3.5 (about $5) and thought it was the cheapest. WOW!

[alexsh1]

My new toy (atmega1284p) - Mightyduino
However, I have to think about connecting radio as this is just a bare board.
Size wise it is quite small