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[security] Introducing signing support to MySensors

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  • daulagariD Offline
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    daulagari
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    #40

    @rvendrame:

    • The ZWave paper you point to describes a problem implementation, not the protocol itself it seems to me:

    The root cause of this issue was lack of state validation
    in the key exchange protocol handler programmed in the Z-
    Wave door lock firmware.

    • Yes, if you lose your normal key anybody that knows to which lock it belongs can break in.
    • But, if your key has no information on to which lock it belongs to the risk is small, the same is true for a remote.
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      jkandasa
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      #41

      @Anticimex Thanks a lot! Its a great work.
      Does signature feature supports for node to node communication (I mean without gateway)?

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        @Anticimex Thanks a lot! Its a great work.
        Does signature feature supports for node to node communication (I mean without gateway)?

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        Anticimex
        Contest Winner
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        #42

        @jkandasa thanks. Yes it does. But then you (as sketch developer) is responsible for sending the internal I_REQUEST_SIGNING message to inform the other node of your nodes signing requirements. The library manages this automatically for the node2gateway (and gateway2node) but not for node2node messages since the library "does not know" anything about that.

        Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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          C.r.a.z.y.
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          #43

          @hek do you have any plan to use this logic in new version api?
          @Anticimex awesome work!

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          • C C.r.a.z.y.

            @hek do you have any plan to use this logic in new version api?
            @Anticimex awesome work!

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            hek
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            wrote on last edited by
            #44

            @C.r.a.z.y.

            Yes, this will be part of 1.5 release.

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              Anticimex
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              #45

              Thanks guys! Glad to see that it's appreciated :)
              I am now working on strengthening the nonces and implementing whitelisting. I hope to be able to finish it in time for the 1.5 release.
              Voluntary testers are desired!
              I will update the first post also with more instructions on how to handle whitelisting and also update it so it reflects the more recent changes on the development branch with respect to configuration as soon has I have finished the hacking.

              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                Anticimex
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                wrote on last edited by
                #46

                UPDATE: Thread topic post updated with a lot of stuff. Whitelisting is now "in" and explained. Various updates to the text to make a few things more clear and some code examples added to show how this ties into the updates on development branch when it comes to construction of the library class and how signing comes into play.

                Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                  phil83
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                  #47

                  @Anticimex This really is great work!
                  I have one question regarding ATSHA204A: do you know where to buy ATSHA204A-STUCZ-T? I couldn't find any supplier in Europe and even on Aliexpress, I could onlyfind the ATSHA204 in SOT23-3.

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                    #48

                    @phil83

                    mouser.com got it in stock, they will deliver to europe as well :)

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                      phil83
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                      #49

                      @tbowmo Thanks for the info. I found mouser this morning as well but they charge me 20€ for shipping :-(.

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                        @phil83

                        You just need to make an order big enough, then they drop the handling charge :-)

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                          Any other Europeans interested in getting some chips from mouser? I could redistribute from Germany via letter. ;-)

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                            #52

                            hello, i'm making some mysensors board that I'll present you a bit later and I've add a place for the Atsha204 sot23-3.

                            I can't find it in Europe still and I would like to know if is it possible ton connect it on pin A6 instead of pin A3. I would like to keep the A0 to A5 for the user and use A6 for Atsha204 and A7 for Atcha204 floating point. Can anyone test it for me please?

                            Thank's verry much!

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                              hello, i'm making some mysensors board that I'll present you a bit later and I've add a place for the Atsha204 sot23-3.

                              I can't find it in Europe still and I would like to know if is it possible ton connect it on pin A6 instead of pin A3. I would like to keep the A0 to A5 for the user and use A6 for Atsha204 and A7 for Atcha204 floating point. Can anyone test it for me please?

                              Thank's verry much!

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                              Anticimex
                              Contest Winner
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #53

                              @Tibus No, you cant. A6 and A7 are analog-only pins. Also, make sure you order ATSHA204A. Not ATSHA204. ATSHA uses no "floating point". Just single wire digital interface.

                              Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                #54

                                Ok, So I've to connect it on A3 (default value in mysensor?) and let the A7 floating? The A6 is not used so? (other question : I can't use digitalWrite on A6 pin?)

                                Thank's verry much for the details on ATSHA204A instead of ATSHA204. The ATSHA204A is in SOT23-3 too? so the A7 is only use inside the Atmega library?

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                                  Ok, So I've to connect it on A3 (default value in mysensor?) and let the A7 floating? The A6 is not used so? (other question : I can't use digitalWrite on A6 pin?)

                                  Thank's verry much for the details on ATSHA204A instead of ATSHA204. The ATSHA204A is in SOT23-3 too? so the A7 is only use inside the Atmega library?

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                                  Anticimex
                                  Contest Winner
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                                  #55

                                  @Tibus A6 and A7 are analog input pins. You can use them as such but not as digital I/O.
                                  ATSHA204A is identical but more feature-rich compared to ATSHA204. One added feature is a SHA256 which is required for MySensors use. ATSHA204 is discontinued by Atmel. You can connect the ATSHA to any digital I/O pin you like but you will have to patch the config if you pick anything not called "A3".

                                  Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                    #56

                                    Ok, thank's! I've already change every A6 pin connection to A3. Can the user use A3 for analogic even if ATSHA204 is connected on it? or do I have to remove the A3 pin available for the user?

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                                      Ok, thank's! I've already change every A6 pin connection to A3. Can the user use A3 for analogic even if ATSHA204 is connected on it? or do I have to remove the A3 pin available for the user?

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                                      Anticimex
                                      Contest Winner
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #57

                                      @Tibus You have to check the datasheet of ATSHA204A to see how it handles the datapin when not in use. I would recommend you have any analog cirquitry on dedicated pins though and keep one reserved for the ATSHA.

                                      Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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                                      • AnticimexA Anticimex

                                        @Tibus You have to check the datasheet of ATSHA204A to see how it handles the datapin when not in use. I would recommend you have any analog cirquitry on dedicated pins though and keep one reserved for the ATSHA.

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                                        hek
                                        Admin
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #58

                                        @Anticimex

                                        The "analog" pins can actually be used as digital IO pins.

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                                        • hekH hek

                                          @Anticimex

                                          The "analog" pins can actually be used as digital IO pins.

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                                          Anticimex
                                          Contest Winner
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #59

                                          @hek Not A6 and A7. They are pure analog.

                                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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