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  • tbowmoT Offline
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    tbowmo
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    wrote on last edited by
    #361

    @nivoc

    Have you tried to "bake" your sensebenders, in case they have been exposed to high humidity for a longer time?

    They are, as far as I know, produced in a part of China, which are known to have very high humidity. (been traveling there a lot some years ago)

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      wrote on last edited by Heinz
      #362

      @nivoc
      I can confirm your results: I am running two different sensors in the same room next to each other. The sensebender is always above the dht-22. Right now it is
      52% to 47.8% rel. humidity, while the temperature is 17.8 to 17.9 (which is nearly equal).

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      • nivocN Offline
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        #363

        @tbowmo No I haven't baked yet. I will try that but not in the next two weeks. But I will report back.

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          #364

          But I tested tonight with distilled water - so should be exactly 100%. And again (I didn't know that thats possible) I got 104 and 107% so slightly above (still increasing). Thats great b/c that means all values are about 7-8% too high.
          At 33% the reading was about 40%
          At 75% the reading was about 83%
          At 100% the reading was about 106%

          So reading minus 8% gives a pretty accurate result. In the next few days i will test 3 more sensbender.

          Distilled Water (100% expected):
          upload-c0364fcd-876d-4701-a3ec-b0c55efc04a6

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          • bjacobseB Offline
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            wrote on last edited by bjacobse
            #365

            Read the spec for the humidity sensor used in the sensebender (Si7021 integrated humidity / temperature sensor.)
            Precision Relative Humidity Sensor: ± 3% RH (max), 0–80% RH
            To my reading this is actually 6% wrong reading to one of the sides - so when you are measuring yours to be 8% off, is caused that you are using the device outside of humidity range 100% and max is 80%

            Link to spec:
            https://www.silabs.com/Support Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si7021-A20.pdf

            What I want you to know, if your device is reading within 6 % of the value - it's still reading correct. and when you compare ex DHT22 that device also have some reading variation error. Do not expect to get 100% perfect value for 2 devices...

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            • nivocN Offline
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              wrote on last edited by nivoc
              #366

              @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

              Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

              And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

              Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

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              • nivocN nivoc

                @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

                Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

                And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

                Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

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                #367

                @nivoc said:

                @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

                Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

                And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

                Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

                I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
                i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

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                • M mvader

                  @nivoc said:

                  @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

                  Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

                  And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

                  Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

                  I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
                  i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #368

                  @mvader
                  Spec is: High Accuracy Temperature Sensor ±0.4 °C (max), –10 to 85 °C
                  So the temp accuracy is quite good

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                  • nivocN nivoc

                    @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

                    Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

                    And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

                    Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #369

                    @nivoc
                    Yes you are right, +-3 from your humidity solution on 33%, then the reading could be in the interval 33-3=30% or up to 33+3=36% and should not show 40%

                    did you get same false readings from other sensebender humidity sensors?

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                    • bjacobseB bjacobse

                      @nivoc
                      Yes you are right, +-3 from your humidity solution on 33%, then the reading could be in the interval 33-3=30% or up to 33+3=36% and should not show 40%

                      did you get same false readings from other sensebender humidity sensors?

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #370

                      @bjacobse Yes I have 3 sensbener running from 2 different orders. All 3 are very near by each other. So at 33% they all read something near to 40%.

                      I have 4 more sensbenders to build. However I continue to test tonight with a Boveda-Pack that claims to bring the hum in a containter to exactly 69%. I did 4 test's so far and also used different technics. So i get more and more confident.

                      But the very good thing is - it looks every reproducible. So the value may be off but reproducable accurate off by about 8%. When I completed my test it will be very easy to correct it within the software.

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                      • M mvader

                        @nivoc said:

                        @bjacobse Yes and no :-)

                        Yes 100% is outside of the spec.

                        And no. 33% with Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate is inside the spec and I get 40% instead of 33-34%.

                        Max off should be 3% above or? Means 37% - but fair enough. Should be ok for household use.

                        I hope the Temp measurements are not off by that much.
                        i don't need .00001 accuracy or anything. but i feel a big difference between 70 and 72 in my house.

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #371

                        @mvader I haven't made any very accurate temp testings. But the readings are exactly the same than other non-sensbender devices in my home. I started researching the humidity b/c I had different readings between different devices.

                        Temp looks fine to me.

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                          #372

                          What is the current consumption of the Sensebender during sleep and active modes?

                          Thanks,
                          Tony

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #373

                            @tcontrada

                            there are some measurements in the old design thread here http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/510/minimal-design-thoughts

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                              #374

                              Hi. What case you all using for the sensebender ?Any good idea.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @filipq

                                  Where did you find that box?

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                                    #377

                                    @tbowmo

                                    Got it from http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/57932-evatron-pp42m-case-sensor-ivory-71x71x27mm.html.
                                    Not the cheapest, but definitely worth the money as it is very good quality. There are other colours available (white and black) https://www.jprelec.co.uk/store.asp/c=552/Gas-Sensor-Case

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                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      @tbowmo: I have some of these too, it's nice box. i got these from tme. cheaper :)
                                      http://www.tme.eu/fr/details/box-sens-white/boitiers-dappar-dalarme-et-de-capt/supertronic/

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                                        #379

                                        Hello @tbowmo

                                        Doesn't the atmega328 has only 2 pins which are D2 and D3 from external interrupts ?
                                        I am wondering why do we waste the usage of D2 since the IRQ pin is not used in the library ?

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                                        • ahmedadelhosniA ahmedadelhosni

                                          Hello @tbowmo

                                          Doesn't the atmega328 has only 2 pins which are D2 and D3 from external interrupts ?
                                          I am wondering why do we waste the usage of D2 since the IRQ pin is not used in the library ?

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                                          @ahmedadelhosni because it is not in use by the library <yet>. Would be a shame if the library some day gets updated with support for a radio that can enter low power sleep and still wake when needed.

                                          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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