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  • tlpeterT Offline
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    tlpeter
    wrote on last edited by tlpeter
    #90

    I didn't use your board in this case (the weather station) but i will do in the future.
    I did connect the battery to the raw pin and it is working fine.
    Funny, a solar panel with a battery powering the pro mini with DHT22 and BMP180.
    For now i will keep it simple but later on i want a rain gauge and windmeter too.
    Rain sensor is on a different Nano as this needs to be powered all the time.
    It will control my sunscreen later on.

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    • NiklasON Offline
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      #91

      This board looks great! Definitely going to order some.

      Just getting started with MySensors. Waiting for over 20 orders from eBay with stuff. Should be fun!
      Already running Domoticz (Pi 2) with RFXtrx433, 1-wire and z-wave. Going to build a serial gateway for direct connection to the Pi.

      My last name before I married (now divorced) was Sundberg btw. Could have had Sundberg82 as nickname. ;)

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      • NiklasON NiklasO

        This board looks great! Definitely going to order some.

        Just getting started with MySensors. Waiting for over 20 orders from eBay with stuff. Should be fun!
        Already running Domoticz (Pi 2) with RFXtrx433, 1-wire and z-wave. Going to build a serial gateway for direct connection to the Pi.

        My last name before I married (now divorced) was Sundberg btw. Could have had Sundberg82 as nickname. ;)

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        sundberg84
        Hardware Contributor
        wrote on last edited by
        #92

        @NiklasO - Thanks! I hope it will suite you well!
        The wait is a pain, but well worth it in the end. Sounds like got alof going already!

        Hehe, we can create a forum group - "sundberg dreamteam!" ;)

        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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        • Martin TellblomM Offline
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          wrote on last edited by
          #93

          Recived my boards today and I love them, I ordered the white ones and they are looking really great

          Thanks @sundberg84 !

          MySensors MQTT Client Gateway, Openhab, Dashing, Razberry, 1-wire

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          • Martin TellblomM Martin Tellblom

            Recived my boards today and I love them, I ordered the white ones and they are looking really great

            Thanks @sundberg84 !

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            sundberg84
            Hardware Contributor
            wrote on last edited by
            #94

            @Martin-Tellblom - good luck with your projects!

            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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            • sundberg84S sundberg84

              @NiklasO - Thanks! I hope it will suite you well!
              The wait is a pain, but well worth it in the end. Sounds like got alof going already!

              Hehe, we can create a forum group - "sundberg dreamteam!" ;)

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              wrote on last edited by
              #95

              @sundberg84 said:

              @NiklasO - Thanks! I hope it will suite you well!
              The wait is a pain, but well worth it in the end. Sounds like got alof going already!

              Hehe, we can create a forum group - "sundberg dreamteam!" ;)

              hehe yeah, just need to change my last name back to my original one but I don't know if my kids likes that idea. ;)

              Where do you get your x to 3.3v boost converter? Found some on eBay but they are quite expensive if comparing to x to 5v versions.

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              • NiklasON NiklasO

                @sundberg84 said:

                @NiklasO - Thanks! I hope it will suite you well!
                The wait is a pain, but well worth it in the end. Sounds like got alof going already!

                Hehe, we can create a forum group - "sundberg dreamteam!" ;)

                hehe yeah, just need to change my last name back to my original one but I don't know if my kids likes that idea. ;)

                Where do you get your x to 3.3v boost converter? Found some on eBay but they are quite expensive if comparing to x to 5v versions.

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                Hardware Contributor
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                #96

                @NiklasO - they are quite expencive yes, but i order the ones in the mysensors store

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                • ileneken3I Offline
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                  #97

                  Has anyone tried one of these boosters:

                  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-current-2A-DC-DC-SX1308-adjustable-boost-module/32751065114.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_10067_115_10069_113_10017_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10033_10059_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_421_420_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=c5657706-88c2-41fb-bdfe-866e4cffe76a

                  • They are sometimes much cheaper than the 3.3v ones
                  • Since they are adjustable, I would think you could optimize the output voltage for maximum battery.

                  I'm not sure, is there a problem using them with the PCB boards? I imagine the input and output ground would have to be connected together.

                  Thanks!

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                  • ileneken3I ileneken3

                    Has anyone tried one of these boosters:

                    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-current-2A-DC-DC-SX1308-adjustable-boost-module/32751065114.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_10067_115_10069_113_10017_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10033_10059_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_421_420_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=c5657706-88c2-41fb-bdfe-866e4cffe76a

                    • They are sometimes much cheaper than the 3.3v ones
                    • Since they are adjustable, I would think you could optimize the output voltage for maximum battery.

                    I'm not sure, is there a problem using them with the PCB boards? I imagine the input and output ground would have to be connected together.

                    Thanks!

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #98

                    @ileneken3 - sorry never tried them.
                    The footprint looks different from the PCB so you need to connect this with wires to the PCB.

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                    • sundberg84S sundberg84

                      @ileneken3 - sorry never tried them.
                      The footprint looks different from the PCB so you need to connect this with wires to the PCB.

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #99

                      @sundberg84

                      I took a chance and tried these boosters. After adjusting the pot to boost to 3.3V, and using wires to connect, they seem to work the same as the "recommended" ones. I am hoping they produce less noise for the radio - I seem to have trouble with that, even with adding the capacitors. (Maybe my radios are not good).
                      Another experiment - boosting them to just over the 2.8V fuse limit. I would think that would be more energy efficient.

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                      • jumpingJ Offline
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #100

                        @ileneken3 in my experienxe the 3.3v booster gives a lot of problem with radio :-)

                        Raspberrry PI3 - Domoticz
                        ESP8266 GW - MySensors 2.1.1

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                        • jumpingJ jumping

                          @ileneken3 in my experienxe the 3.3v booster gives a lot of problem with radio :-)

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                          sundberg84
                          Hardware Contributor
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #101

                          @jumping - correct, if you can make a node without its better for the radio but its easier to do with a booster, radio and a pre-made Arduino pro mini.

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                          • sundberg84S sundberg84

                            @jumping - correct, if you can make a node without its better for the radio but its easier to do with a booster, radio and a pre-made Arduino pro mini.

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #102

                            hi @sundberg84, if you have some free time you can see my post about a "new" PCB
                            https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/5314/pcbs-for-battery-based-sensor :-)

                            Raspberrry PI3 - Domoticz
                            ESP8266 GW - MySensors 2.1.1

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                            • sundberg84S sundberg84

                              @jumping - correct, if you can make a node without its better for the radio but its easier to do with a booster, radio and a pre-made Arduino pro mini.

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #103

                              @sundberg84

                              It's definitely easier with a booster - but not cheaper or more reliable. (Why does the booster cost more than the Arduino?)

                              Everything is about tradeoff's. When you solve one problem, it can easily introduce another. At first, I ignored the whole booster thing. But after a lot of experiments, I ended up with a pile of 1.35 V batteries. So I tried the booster, and ended up with transmission problems (partially solved by capacitors). So then I tried changing the bootloader (1Mhz, no brown out), and it seems to be OK - but I know there will be other problems. Example: I now need to boost to 3.3V for sensors that require it. Also, are there compatibility problems with mysensors?

                              Even still, thanks for the great board - I've had a lot of fun and learned a lot with it!

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                              • ileneken3I ileneken3

                                @sundberg84

                                It's definitely easier with a booster - but not cheaper or more reliable. (Why does the booster cost more than the Arduino?)

                                Everything is about tradeoff's. When you solve one problem, it can easily introduce another. At first, I ignored the whole booster thing. But after a lot of experiments, I ended up with a pile of 1.35 V batteries. So I tried the booster, and ended up with transmission problems (partially solved by capacitors). So then I tried changing the bootloader (1Mhz, no brown out), and it seems to be OK - but I know there will be other problems. Example: I now need to boost to 3.3V for sensors that require it. Also, are there compatibility problems with mysensors?

                                Even still, thanks for the great board - I've had a lot of fun and learned a lot with it!

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                                wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                                #104

                                @ileneken3 - you are so right, and that is the fun with electronics! There is no right or wrong (more or less)!
                                Newbie/Easy PCB is what it sounds like and my only aim is to make it as easy as possible. Im happy to evaluate it but at the moment booster and a few non compatible sensors is the price i pay.

                                I have probably 15 of these PCB with boosters now, and yes - there are times when the booster makes it unreliable but most of the times it works. I have maybe trashed 5 nodes in all which is fair less amount that I had to trash soldering wires. I have also tried bare atmegas in different shapes and even with them there are problems (not including flashing bootloaders and stuff you dont have to do with EasyPCB).

                                We also needs to remember this is DIY, not factory manufactured which can introduce alof of errors. We learn as we go and I hope EasyPCB can be a great platform for new people like you said. Nice to hear, thank you!

                                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                  #105

                                  Yesterday I have received Rev 9 of Newbie PCB board. I am a newbie and I purchased this board to make building easier. I have soldered a radio and Arduino Pro Mini 3.3 V to it and the radio module with a 47uF cap. The power is supplied using the FTD232 board. Because the radio module is not powered using the 3.3V of arduino I wired this using a separate wire. I also connected a DTH 11 with the resistor on the board (4K7). I used a test sketch to read the DTH 11 and this is working well.

                                  When I load the MySensors sketch I get a radio failure. I have no Idea what this is? Bad wiring, not correct power?? Anyone can help me started?

                                  0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
                                  4 TSM:INIT
                                  4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
                                  12 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
                                  14 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
                                  16 TSM:FAIL:PDT
                                  10018 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT
                                  10020 TSM:INIT
                                  10027 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
                                  10031 TSM:FAIL:CNT=2
                                  10033 TSM:FAIL:PDT```
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                                  • M martim

                                    Yesterday I have received Rev 9 of Newbie PCB board. I am a newbie and I purchased this board to make building easier. I have soldered a radio and Arduino Pro Mini 3.3 V to it and the radio module with a 47uF cap. The power is supplied using the FTD232 board. Because the radio module is not powered using the 3.3V of arduino I wired this using a separate wire. I also connected a DTH 11 with the resistor on the board (4K7). I used a test sketch to read the DTH 11 and this is working well.

                                    When I load the MySensors sketch I get a radio failure. I have no Idea what this is? Bad wiring, not correct power?? Anyone can help me started?

                                    0 MCO:BGN:INIT NODE,CP=RNNNA--,VER=2.1.1
                                    4 TSM:INIT
                                    4 TSF:WUR:MS=0
                                    12 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
                                    14 TSM:FAIL:CNT=1
                                    16 TSM:FAIL:PDT
                                    10018 TSM:FAIL:RE-INIT
                                    10020 TSM:INIT
                                    10027 !TSM:INIT:TSP FAIL
                                    10031 TSM:FAIL:CNT=2
                                    10033 TSM:FAIL:PDT```
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                                    wrote on last edited by Nca78
                                    #106

                                    @martim said in Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                                    Because the radio module is not powered using the 3.3V of arduino I wired this using a separate wire.

                                    Can you show a picture of your setup and give more explanation on this sentence ? This part about connection of the radio smells fishy ;)
                                    It seems the radio cannot be initialized, so I suppose the power supplied to it is not correct, but I'm not sure of what you did.

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                                      #107

                                      This is the front part. The connected cable goes to the FTD232 which also is currently the power supply.

                                      0_1486835929737_IMG_3545.JPG !

                                      The red wire on the back plane connects the plus from arduino to the plus for the radio (soldered on the + of cap)
                                      0_1486835943373_IMG_3546.JPG !

                                      Try to zoom in.
                                      0_1486835954003_zoomed.png

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                                      • M martim

                                        This is the front part. The connected cable goes to the FTD232 which also is currently the power supply.

                                        0_1486835929737_IMG_3545.JPG !

                                        The red wire on the back plane connects the plus from arduino to the plus for the radio (soldered on the + of cap)
                                        0_1486835943373_IMG_3546.JPG !

                                        Try to zoom in.
                                        0_1486835954003_zoomed.png

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                                        wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                                        #108

                                        @martim - read the insctructions again.
                                        If you are using the board with a 3.3v arduino and battery you need to connect the BAT jumper and use a booster.

                                        If you are using a 3.3 arduino with a regulated power you can add a jumper/wire over the booster and connect the BAT jumper.

                                        Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                        MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                        RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                        • sundberg84S sundberg84

                                          @martim - read the insctructions again.
                                          If you are using the board with a 3.3v arduino and battery you need to connect the BAT jumper and use a booster.

                                          If you are using a 3.3 arduino with a regulated power you can add a jumper/wire over the booster and connect the BAT jumper.

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                                          @sundberg84
                                          Ok, Thanks I will try the second suggestion. (my booster is still not delivered and hard to get at the moment :()

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