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💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors

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    BastienVH
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    #32

    I have a 3.3v arduino.
    At the moment it's powered the FTDI232 connected to my computer.
    I will transfer to battery once I'm done.
    Do you mean the "BAT" / "REG"?
    I haven't soldered that. I'm guessing that's necessary?

    Also, while I have you hear ;-) , if I want to use the battery measuring, do I have to add the 0.1uF capacitor?
    What advantage does it provide?

    Thanks for your help!

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      sundberg84
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      wrote on last edited by sundberg84
      #33

      If you use the FTDI connector, make sure its the 3.3v and connect it to Gnd/Pwr on the PCB and not Arduino FDTI connector.
      You could just exclude those pins and connect a battery directly and use that as power and the FDTI as programmer/serial debug only

      Bat or Reg is nessecary!
      See this picture for battery use: https://www.openhardware.io/view/4/EasyNewbie-PCB-for-MySensors
      https://www.openhardware.io/uploads/568ed84b60aa3f8965fbf095/image/3.jpg
      All components in the image is needed (except battery measurment).
      If you dont want to use booster you need to bypass that one with a wire/jumper (or set the jumper on REG instead of BAT but that kills the logic).

      The battery doesnt "need" the 0,1uF but see here:https://www.mysensors.org/build/battery
      "The tap point could be bypassed with a 0.1 uF capacitor to keep the noise level low, at this otherwise high impedance point. "

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      • sundberg84S sundberg84

        If you use the FTDI connector, make sure its the 3.3v and connect it to Gnd/Pwr on the PCB and not Arduino FDTI connector.
        You could just exclude those pins and connect a battery directly and use that as power and the FDTI as programmer/serial debug only

        Bat or Reg is nessecary!
        See this picture for battery use: https://www.openhardware.io/view/4/EasyNewbie-PCB-for-MySensors
        https://www.openhardware.io/uploads/568ed84b60aa3f8965fbf095/image/3.jpg
        All components in the image is needed (except battery measurment).
        If you dont want to use booster you need to bypass that one with a wire/jumper (or set the jumper on REG instead of BAT but that kills the logic).

        The battery doesnt "need" the 0,1uF but see here:https://www.mysensors.org/build/battery
        "The tap point could be bypassed with a 0.1 uF capacitor to keep the noise level low, at this otherwise high impedance point. "

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        BastienVH
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        #34

        @sundberg84
        Thanks for the explanation!
        I think I've got it now.
        Will test and get back with the results when I've gotten my hands on some more solder wire!

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          Anticimex
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          #35

          Hi,
          I see you use CERN OHL but I do not find the required files.
          Where do you store those?
          According to the CERN OHL 1.2 howto, you need to provide the following documentation with your project:
          LICENSE.PDF
          cern_ohl_v_1_2_howto.pdf
          PRODUCT.TXT
          CHANGES.TXT

          Please check the howto closely for how to use the license, or pick another license. If it is not used according to spec, others don't need to follow it either since it is invalid, so you won't be "protected" by it.

          Do you feel secure today? No? Start requiring some signatures and feel better tomorrow ;)

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          • B BastienVH

            @sundberg84
            Thanks for the explanation!
            I think I've got it now.
            Will test and get back with the results when I've gotten my hands on some more solder wire!

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            BastienVH
            wrote on last edited by
            #36

            @BastienVH
            Replying to myself to follow up on my assembly-issues.
            I have been able to get the board to work.
            I don't have my 0.1µF caps yet, so I just put a little blob of solder in the holes so the current could run through.
            Now I've got myself 2 working board. I just have to find a good way to attach my PIR, dallas temp, ... to them.

            Thanks for the work and help!

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              ErrK
              Plugin Developer
              wrote on last edited by
              #37

              I'am now finnish with my first rev7 node.
              It is a Arduino 5V with DHT-22 and a HC-SR501 sensor.
              1_1454528676795_IMG_6223 copy.jpg
              0_1454528676794_IMG_6224 copy.jpg

              Good work @sundberg84 for the PCB

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                sundberg84
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                wrote on last edited by
                #38

                @BastienVH Good to hear - its not essential to have to 0.1uF cap on the voltage retulator, it will work without but its good to keep noice out.
                @ErrK Nice, I see you run through RAW pin and using the internal voltage regulator on the arduino - I have not tested that much, does it work ok?

                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                • sundberg84S sundberg84

                  @BastienVH Good to hear - its not essential to have to 0.1uF cap on the voltage retulator, it will work without but its good to keep noice out.
                  @ErrK Nice, I see you run through RAW pin and using the internal voltage regulator on the arduino - I have not tested that much, does it work ok?

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                  BastienVH
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #39

                  @sundberg84
                  When I get the caps, I'll place them on the board.
                  I did notice alot of noise when I was reading battery state on a breadboard in an earlier build, so I will get that sorted.
                  Only problem is I can't find them locally, so have to get them from China.
                  Will take a while...

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                  • sundberg84S sundberg84

                    @BastienVH Good to hear - its not essential to have to 0.1uF cap on the voltage retulator, it will work without but its good to keep noice out.
                    @ErrK Nice, I see you run through RAW pin and using the internal voltage regulator on the arduino - I have not tested that much, does it work ok?

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                    ErrK
                    Plugin Developer
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #40

                    @sundberg84 yes it's working good. But the problem is that it's eating up the batteries :)
                    It was up for only 15days.

                    I will now test with a arduino that i have removed the led and volt regulator.

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                      sundberg84
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                      #41

                      Sounds good @ErrK - dont forget to power it through REG and not RAW on the PCB and add a jumper on REG since it wont work if you use the same setup as in the images and remove voltage regulator.

                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                        Sounds good @ErrK - dont forget to power it through REG and not RAW on the PCB and add a jumper on REG since it wont work if you use the same setup as in the images and remove voltage regulator.

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                        ErrK
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #42

                        Thank you @sundberg84. I will think of that.

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                          Barna
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                          #43

                          Hi,
                          Why have you redesigned from rev7 to rev8?
                          When will the rev8 be tested ?

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                            sundberg84
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #44

                            @Barna - I just wanted to make it smaller, with the radio not sticking out so much.
                            I ordered them a while ago, so if they made it out of china before their new year I think it will be tested soon.

                            Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                            RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                              dark-nico
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                              #45

                              Just received Rev 8 :

                              alt text

                              I'll test it asap :smiley:

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                                sundberg84
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                                wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                                #46

                                Nice. @dark-nico
                                The main concern is the new placement of caps and voltage divider - I hope they fit in between the radio and screw terminal. Should not be a problem - but you know, always nice to see it IRL. Might be good to solder them first before radio, arduino and screw terminal.

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                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                  dark-nico
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                                  #47

                                  Ok, I'll do that.
                                  My main problem is that I haven't received both my booster and my 5->3.3 reg. :disappointed:
                                  So I can test Batt version by bypassing the booster, but it will not tell us if the reg placement is ok.
                                  I'll dig in my "donor harware" if I can find a reg.

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                                    dark-nico
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #48

                                    Looks good!

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                                    and works fine!

                                    Perfect, thanks again :thumbsup:

                                    I'll test the batt version as soon as I receive the boosters.

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                                      sundberg84
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                                      wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                                      #49

                                      @dark-nico - You know its easy to cut the PCB to make it smaller? Using it as 5v you can remove the right battery part:

                                      Either cut with a knife and brake:
                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiC-_g3iNb8

                                      Or sometimes i just use a saw (before components are added) - might not be recommended ;)

                                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                      • sundberg84S sundberg84

                                        @dark-nico - You know its easy to cut the PCB to make it smaller? Using it as 5v you can remove the right battery part:

                                        Either cut with a knife and brake:
                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiC-_g3iNb8

                                        Or sometimes i just use a saw (before components are added) - might not be recommended ;)

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                                        dark-nico
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #50

                                        @sundberg84 - Yes I know that I can cut that part, but I think this one will be my test board with all this option, including the battery parts.
                                        However I'll keep the video method in mind, I was thinking about using a dremel, but, it seems cleaner.

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                                          sundberg84
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                                          wrote on last edited by sundberg84
                                          #51

                                          @dark-nico Ok, have not tested adding both Bat and reg/5v posibilities at the same time. Might be that 5v travels backwards towards the booster... try it out, but as I said, not tested.

                                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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