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  • OitzuO Offline
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    Oitzu
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    #11

    @Koresh and now with pa/lna! So we finally have an working pa/lna module. :P

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      The break down cost of the board and components is less than USD $5 ( aliexpress component prices mostly) . Can someone share some PCBA service which can also do components sourcing ? with reasonable pricing of course. I would order some 20 - 30 units and may be others could join to make price cheaper.

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        Ready2use devices would be great to buy. With a good price i would order ~10pieces...

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          @yury

          Expect to pay +$300 as a startup fee for a production run (paid every time a batch is started, for setting SMD machine up etc.). Add to that component costs, and probably 1-2$ per unit for labor (for testing etc.)

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            yury
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            re: pay +$300 as a startup fee

            no no nooo . Hope to find it cheaper. I think they can do it manually @ $1 per board or so. plus some quality control.

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              @yury

              Manually mounted, as in hand soldered? 1$ per board? I think that is a very optimistic price!

              I've looked through old emails from various smd assembly houses.. I got one that states setup fee for around 140$ (per batch), and then 4-5$ per unit.. add to that stencil price 60$ (Can be used for multiple batches). and don't forget the BOM price as well..

              I know that they are spitting out cheap arduino nano's for 1-2$.. but they are probably not quality checked, just smd assembly, bagged and shipped.. (and they probably make 5000 - 50.000 units per batch)

              I think that people need to be realistic on what they can get, at what prices..

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                also, check this blogpost out..

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                • tbowmoT tbowmo

                  @yury

                  Manually mounted, as in hand soldered? 1$ per board? I think that is a very optimistic price!

                  I've looked through old emails from various smd assembly houses.. I got one that states setup fee for around 140$ (per batch), and then 4-5$ per unit.. add to that stencil price 60$ (Can be used for multiple batches). and don't forget the BOM price as well..

                  I know that they are spitting out cheap arduino nano's for 1-2$.. but they are probably not quality checked, just smd assembly, bagged and shipped.. (and they probably make 5000 - 50.000 units per batch)

                  I think that people need to be realistic on what they can get, at what prices..

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                  @tbowmo
                  Thanks for information. But you are painting a bleak pictiure, I think.

                  @tbowmo said:

                  add to that stencil price 60$ (Can be used for multiple batches)

                  No. Size(widthxlength) Useful area(width×length) Price Weight/pc
                  1 37.0cm×47.0cm 19.0cm×29.0cm usd17/pc 1.5KG
                  2 30.0cm×40.0cm 13.0cm×21.0cm usd15/pc 1KG
                  3 42.0cm×52.0cm 24.0cm×34.0cm usd30/pc 1.8KG

                  These are prices from my latest china pcb partner (hard stencil with frame)

                  @tbowmo said:

                  setup fee for around 140$ (per batch)

                  My latest local pcba partner offered 50$ price for SMT machine set up (automatic assebmbly, ultra low quantity batch)

                  @tbowmo said:

                  Manually mounted, as in hand soldered? 1$ per board? I think that is a very optimistic price!

                  I hope it's not far from reality. My latest local pcba partner has assembled board with 2.2cent for solder point (manual assembly, ultra low quantity batch)

                  It would be perfect to find a PCBA partner (maybe with pcb production and components stock, turn-key service) in China (with perfect logistics) :satisfied:

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                    @Koresh

                    Of course prices do vary between manufacturers, The prices that I listed was a couple of years old, so they have probably changed a bit..

                    I just want to point out that pcb assembly can not be done for 'free' :) As there is a lot of factors that has to be calculated into the price..

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                      Looks like what I have been looking for !

                      Any progress on the gerber files ? ( so I can order pcb's )

                      I was looking through the list of materials, but getting confusion while looking on Aliexpress, is it possible to share the links to the parts on Aliexpress/eBay ?

                      Thanks !

                      Alex

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                      • S Slorf

                        Looks like what I have been looking for !

                        Any progress on the gerber files ? ( so I can order pcb's )

                        I was looking through the list of materials, but getting confusion while looking on Aliexpress, is it possible to share the links to the parts on Aliexpress/eBay ?

                        Thanks !

                        Alex

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                        Koresh
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                        #21

                        @Slorf Sorry for delay. I've uploaded gerber files (100% correct - first batch was produced according to them).
                        I ordered 0402 components in these shops:
                        http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1171142
                        http://www.aliexpress.com/store/821060

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                          Slorf
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                          Sorry, i am confused :-(

                          How do i recognize the 4.7uf polarised capacitor ?

                          Thanks !!

                          Alex

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                            Sorry, i am confused :-(

                            How do i recognize the 4.7uf polarised capacitor ?

                            Thanks !!

                            Alex

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                            Koresh
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                            @Slorf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro- :smiley:

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                              Slorf
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                              This would be the first pcb's i order, how do i know which component goes where on the pcb ?

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                                Slorf
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                                @Koresh

                                How do i know it;s a polarized version ?

                                There are these ( which i think are the wrong ones )
                                http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-0805-SMD-capacitor-4-7uf-50V-475Z-100PCS/32376068362.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.40.rvV9hM&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201644_4_505_506_503_504_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=833ff5df-930f-4fd8-8530-cb280a1b9c7f

                                and there are these:

                                http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-475K-X7R-25V-0805-4-7UF-SMD-capacitor-Chip-Capacitor-Electronic-Components/32607720756.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.207.rx4LMW&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201644_4_505_506_503_504_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=0572ec4f-a6b5-44fb-aa59-70649256d584

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                                  @Koresh

                                  How do i know it;s a polarized version ?

                                  There are these ( which i think are the wrong ones )
                                  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-0805-SMD-capacitor-4-7uf-50V-475Z-100PCS/32376068362.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.40.rvV9hM&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201644_4_505_506_503_504_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=833ff5df-930f-4fd8-8530-cb280a1b9c7f

                                  and there are these:

                                  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-475K-X7R-25V-0805-4-7UF-SMD-capacitor-Chip-Capacitor-Electronic-Components/32607720756.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.207.rx4LMW&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201644_4_505_506_503_504_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=0572ec4f-a6b5-44fb-aa59-70649256d584

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                                  Koresh
                                  Contest Winner
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                                  #26

                                  @Slorf OK. Use non-polarized (ceramic) capacitor 0805 4.7uF and polarized 10uf (yellow 3216) capacitor. I've changed bom.
                                  I've uploaded assembly pdf too :).

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                                    Slorf
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                                    @Koresh

                                    Thanks, i found everything on Aliexpress, except:

                                    Push Button SPDT
                                    Resistor 1M ( which package size )

                                    Alex

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                                      @Koresh

                                      Thanks, i found everything on Aliexpress, except:

                                      Push Button SPDT
                                      Resistor 1M ( which package size )

                                      Alex

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                                      Koresh
                                      Contest Winner
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      @Slorf
                                      Resistor 1M ( which package size ) - unnecessary element (R1 can be mounted for backward compatibility with nRF24L01, nevermind)
                                      Push Button - use any buttons like these http://ru.aliexpress.com/item/10-Pcs-x-Sealed-SMD-Momentary-Tact-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-3mm-x-6mm-x-2/32600602500.html?spm=2114.30010708.3.10.QkNxnX&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_3_505_506_503_504_301_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10006_10011_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10007_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_3,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=efafd213-4a02-41ac-8d40-b5e9982a58f1 :wink:

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                                        Slorf
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                                        @Koresh

                                        Thanks

                                        Will search and find the cheapest offers on Aliexpress :-)

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                                          Slorf
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                                          @Koresh

                                          Hi,

                                          When I try and order the pcb's from dirtypcb I get the following error:

                                          PCB #17568: No board outline (.GML/.GKO/.GBR) file found.

                                          I made a zip file with cam.drl, main.gbl, main.gbo, main.gbs, main.gtl, main.gto, main.gts
                                          when I try to upload this on dirtypcb I get the error message that there is no board outline.

                                          regards

                                          Alex

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