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[yury]

re: pay +$300 as a startup fee

no no nooo . Hope to find it cheaper. I think they can do it manually @ $1 per board or so. plus some quality control.

[tbowmo]

@yury

Manually mounted, as in hand soldered? 1$ per board? I think that is a very optimistic price!

I've looked through old emails from various smd assembly houses.. I got one that states setup fee for around 140$ (per batch), and then 4-5$ per unit.. add to that stencil price 60$ (Can be used for multiple batches). and don't forget the BOM price as well..

I know that they are spitting out cheap arduino nano's for 1-2$.. but they are probably not quality checked, just smd assembly, bagged and shipped.. (and they probably make 5000 - 50.000 units per batch)

I think that people need to be realistic on what they can get, at what prices..

[tbowmo]

also, check this blogpost out..

[Koresh]

@tbowmo
Thanks for information. But you are painting a bleak pictiure, I think.

@tbowmo said:

add to that stencil price 60$ (Can be used for multiple batches)

No. Size(widthxlength) Useful area(width×length) Price Weight/pc
1 37.0cm×47.0cm 19.0cm×29.0cm usd17/pc 1.5KG
2 30.0cm×40.0cm 13.0cm×21.0cm usd15/pc 1KG
3 42.0cm×52.0cm 24.0cm×34.0cm usd30/pc 1.8KG

These are prices from my latest china pcb partner (hard stencil with frame)

@tbowmo said:

setup fee for around 140$ (per batch)

My latest local pcba partner offered 50$ price for SMT machine set up (automatic assebmbly, ultra low quantity batch)

@tbowmo said:

Manually mounted, as in hand soldered? 1$ per board? I think that is a very optimistic price!

I hope it's not far from reality. My latest local pcba partner has assembled board with 2.2cent for solder point (manual assembly, ultra low quantity batch)

It would be perfect to find a PCBA partner (maybe with pcb production and components stock, turn-key service) in China (with perfect logistics) :satisfied:

[tbowmo]

@Koresh

Of course prices do vary between manufacturers, The prices that I listed was a couple of years old, so they have probably changed a bit..

I just want to point out that pcb assembly can not be done for 'free' :) As there is a lot of factors that has to be calculated into the price..

[Slorf]

Looks like what I have been looking for !

Any progress on the gerber files ? ( so I can order pcb's )

I was looking through the list of materials, but getting confusion while looking on Aliexpress, is it possible to share the links to the parts on Aliexpress/eBay ?

Thanks !

Alex

[Koresh]

@Slorf Sorry for delay. I've uploaded gerber files (100% correct - first batch was produced according to them).
I ordered 0402 components in these shops:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1171142
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/821060

[Slorf]

Sorry, i am confused :-(

How do i recognize the 4.7uf polarised capacitor ?

Thanks !!

Alex

[Koresh]

@Slorf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro- :smiley:

[Slorf]

This would be the first pcb's i order, how do i know which component goes where on the pcb ?

[Slorf]

@Koresh

How do i know it;s a polarized version ?

There are these ( which i think are the wrong ones )
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-0805-SMD-capacitor-4-7uf-50V-475Z-100PCS/32376068362.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.40.rvV9hM&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201644_4_505_506_503_504_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=833ff5df-930f-4fd8-8530-cb280a1b9c7f

and there are these:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100pcs-lot-475K-X7R-25V-0805-4-7UF-SMD-capacitor-Chip-Capacitor-Electronic-Components/32607720756.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.207.rx4LMW&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201644_4_505_506_503_504_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6452&btsid=0572ec4f-a6b5-44fb-aa59-70649256d584

[Koresh]

@Slorf OK. Use non-polarized (ceramic) capacitor 0805 4.7uF and polarized 10uf (yellow 3216) capacitor. I've changed bom.
I've uploaded assembly pdf too :).

[Slorf]

@Koresh

Thanks, i found everything on Aliexpress, except:

Push Button SPDT
Resistor 1M ( which package size )

Alex

[Koresh]

@Slorf
Resistor 1M ( which package size ) - unnecessary element (R1 can be mounted for backward compatibility with nRF24L01, nevermind)
Push Button - use any buttons like these http://ru.aliexpress.com/item/10-Pcs-x-Sealed-SMD-Momentary-Tact-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-3mm-x-6mm-x-2/32600602500.html?spm=2114.30010708.3.10.QkNxnX&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_3_505_506_503_504_301_10020_502_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10006_10011_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10007_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201560_3,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=efafd213-4a02-41ac-8d40-b5e9982a58f1 :wink:

[Slorf]

@Koresh

Thanks

Will search and find the cheapest offers on Aliexpress :-)

[Slorf]

@Koresh

Hi,

When I try and order the pcb's from dirtypcb I get the following error:

PCB #17568: No board outline (.GML/.GKO/.GBR) file found.

I made a zip file with cam.drl, main.gbl, main.gbo, main.gbs, main.gtl, main.gto, main.gts
when I try to upload this on dirtypcb I get the error message that there is no board outline.

regards

Alex

[Koresh]

@Slorf It's openhardware.io engine problem. Engine had removed some files from my zip. Use files from this complete archive (gm2 - mechanical layer, rename it if its nessesary).
0_1456686721977_nrf_17_01_fabr.zip

[hek]

@Koresh

.gm2 was a new extension I didn't know about.
I've updated the file extraction engine. When you get a chance, please try uploading it again.

[Koresh]

@hek
Thanks for quick fix :)
gm2 = gerber mechanic layer2. So there are many variations of file extensions. I think it would be perfect to add ability to attach a file with custom extension or raw zip\rar without extraction.

[Slorf]

@Koresh

I renamed the gm2 file to gml ( see: http://jrainimo.com/build/?p=642 ), and was able to order it from dirtypcb.

Alex