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💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension

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  • KoreshK Koresh

    @alexsh1 yes, you should solder the sensor and the bypass capacitor. I have a lot of si1132 sensors, but I can't find the correct library. Almost promo videos of commertial sensors based on the si1132 shows incorrect data ))) It shows correct UV and IR level, but incorrect visible light value. So I decided to not solder this sensor yet.

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    #44

    @Koresh I can see Si1132 visible light is twice more than BH1750.
    Not sure what's wrong, but as you said it reports incorrect value.

    UV Index is in line with VEML6070

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    • alexsh1A alexsh1

      @Koresh I can see Si1132 visible light is twice more than BH1750.
      Not sure what's wrong, but as you said it reports incorrect value.

      UV Index is in line with VEML6070

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      The sensor looks more complicated that I thought:

      2.2. Ambient Light
      The Si1132 has photodiodes capable of measuring both vi
      sible and infrared light. Howe
      ver, the visible photodiode
      is also influenced by infrared light. The measurement of illuminance require
      s the same spectral response as the
      human eye. If an accurate lux measurement is desired, the
      extra IR response of the vi
      sible-light photodiode must
      be compensated. Therefore, to allow the host to make corrections to the infrared light’s influence, the Si1132
      reports the infrared light measurement on a separate channel. The separate visible and IR photodiodes lend
      themselves to a variety of algorithmic solutions. The
      host can then take these two measurements and run an
      algorithm to derive an equivalent lux level as perceive
      d by a human eye. Having
      the IR correction algorithm
      running in the host a
      llows for the most flexibility in adjusting for system-dependent
      variables. For example, if the
      glass used in the system blocks visibl
      e light more than infrared light, the
      IR correction needs to be adjusted.

      I will have to spend more time to understand how to extract the correct ambient light

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        • alexsh1A alexsh1

          The sensor looks more complicated that I thought:

          2.2. Ambient Light
          The Si1132 has photodiodes capable of measuring both vi
          sible and infrared light. Howe
          ver, the visible photodiode
          is also influenced by infrared light. The measurement of illuminance require
          s the same spectral response as the
          human eye. If an accurate lux measurement is desired, the
          extra IR response of the vi
          sible-light photodiode must
          be compensated. Therefore, to allow the host to make corrections to the infrared light’s influence, the Si1132
          reports the infrared light measurement on a separate channel. The separate visible and IR photodiodes lend
          themselves to a variety of algorithmic solutions. The
          host can then take these two measurements and run an
          algorithm to derive an equivalent lux level as perceive
          d by a human eye. Having
          the IR correction algorithm
          running in the host a
          llows for the most flexibility in adjusting for system-dependent
          variables. For example, if the
          glass used in the system blocks visibl
          e light more than infrared light, the
          IR correction needs to be adjusted.

          I will have to spend more time to understand how to extract the correct ambient light

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          #47

          The sketch I posted above contains some errors
          (it sets COFFs 0x29, 0x89, 0x02 and 0x00 to the 0x13, 0x14, 0x15 and 0x16 registers).

          The correct UCOEF values are 0x7B, 0x6B, 0x01, and 0x00

          The sensor is quite complex.

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          • alexsh1A alexsh1

            The sketch I posted above contains some errors
            (it sets COFFs 0x29, 0x89, 0x02 and 0x00 to the 0x13, 0x14, 0x15 and 0x16 registers).

            The correct UCOEF values are 0x7B, 0x6B, 0x01, and 0x00

            The sensor is quite complex.

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            wrote on last edited by
            #48

            I got the following values from the sensor:

            1. V_VOLTAGE (3.21)
            2. V_HUM (51
            3. V_TEMP (30)
            4. V_LIGHT_LEVEL (4466)
            5. V_UV (1.74)
            6. V_LIGHT_LEVEL (3367)
            7. V_LIGHT_LEVEL (3367)

            Clearly, Si1132 is not in line with BH1750. VEML6075 is giving me UV Index 1.65, which is close to the Si1132.

            Moreover, depending where it is used, the coeff in formula has to change (I am using 0.282 for the direct sunlight) :

            Visible Photodiode 
            Response
            
            Sunlight
            ALS_VIS_ADC_GAIN=0
            VIS_RANGE=0
            —
            0.282
            
            2500K incandescent bulb
            ALS_VIS_ADC_GAIN=0
            VIS_RANGE=0
            
            0.319
            
            “Cool white” fluorescent 
            ALS_VIS_ADC_GAIN=0
            VIS_RANGE=0
            
            0.146
            
            
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              alexsh1
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              #49

              @Koresh My 2032 died in 2 days and I noticed that power consumption is 3.5mA. OK, maybe bad soldering - I desoldered Si1132, but the consumption is still 0.14mA while sleeping. For 2032 this is a huge consumption. Did you measure consumption at all? I am using CW radio

              Si1132 must be consuming around < 500 nA standby current according to the datasheet. Not sure why consumption was increased with Si1132.

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              • alexsh1A alexsh1

                @Koresh My 2032 died in 2 days and I noticed that power consumption is 3.5mA. OK, maybe bad soldering - I desoldered Si1132, but the consumption is still 0.14mA while sleeping. For 2032 this is a huge consumption. Did you measure consumption at all? I am using CW radio

                Si1132 must be consuming around < 500 nA standby current according to the datasheet. Not sure why consumption was increased with Si1132.

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                Koresh
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                #50

                @alexsh1 Do not forget put BH1750 into sleep mode. Unfortunatelly standart library do not put the sensor into this mode. I described it on the github page.

                  /*  Please comment out private declaration in BH1750.h 
                   *   Otherwise you can't call lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN); and BH1750 will not sleep!
                   *   
                   *  //private:
                   *   void write8(uint8_t data);
                   */
                   
                  lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                
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                • KoreshK Koresh

                  @alexsh1 Do not forget put BH1750 into sleep mode. Unfortunatelly standart library do not put the sensor into this mode. I described it on the github page.

                    /*  Please comment out private declaration in BH1750.h 
                     *   Otherwise you can't call lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN); and BH1750 will not sleep!
                     *   
                     *  //private:
                     *   void write8(uint8_t data);
                     */
                     
                    lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                  
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                  alexsh1
                  wrote on last edited by alexsh1
                  #51

                  @Koresh I did it on the first day I got the sensor. The consumption above is with BH1750 in the sleeping mode as per your github

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                  • alexsh1A alexsh1

                    @Koresh I did it on the first day I got the sensor. The consumption above is with BH1750 in the sleeping mode as per your github

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                    yury
                    wrote on last edited by
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                    @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                    it on the first day I got

                    Could you post the code you use? and links for the libs. we will check tomorrow consumption with your code . mysensors 2.0 or 2.2?

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                    • Y yury

                      @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                      it on the first day I got

                      Could you post the code you use? and links for the libs. we will check tomorrow consumption with your code . mysensors 2.0 or 2.2?

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #53

                      @yury It is the latest bh1750 lib -> https://github.com/claws/BH1750

                      I am using MySensors 2.2.0b

                      I am using a default code :
                      https://github.com/EasySensors/ButtonSizeNode/blob/master/ButtonSizeNode.ino

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                      • alexsh1A alexsh1

                        @yury It is the latest bh1750 lib -> https://github.com/claws/BH1750

                        I am using MySensors 2.2.0b

                        I am using a default code :
                        https://github.com/EasySensors/ButtonSizeNode/blob/master/ButtonSizeNode.ino

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                        wrote on last edited by alexsh1
                        #54

                        @yury One thing I did notice is this. To put BH1750 into a sleep mode (1uA consumption), it has to be called as follows:

                        void setup()  {
                        lightMeter.begin(BH1750_ONE_TIME_HIGH_RES_MODE);
                        
                        }
                        

                        After a one time measurement it goes to sleep automatically.
                        Please see -> https://github.com/claws/BH1750/blob/master/examples/BH1750advanced/BH1750advanced.ino

                        I have tried above, but still getting 0.14mA consumption in a sleep mode. Very odd!

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                        • alexsh1A alexsh1

                          @yury It is the latest bh1750 lib -> https://github.com/claws/BH1750

                          I am using MySensors 2.2.0b

                          I am using a default code :
                          https://github.com/EasySensors/ButtonSizeNode/blob/master/ButtonSizeNode.ino

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                          Koresh
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                          @alexsh1 Very strange. I can't see a method write8 in current lib version (https://github.com/claws/BH1750). So I can't understand how is it possible to compile default code with this string

                          lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                          

                          I couldn't put this sensor into power down mode without this.

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                          • alexsh1A alexsh1

                            @yury One thing I did notice is this. To put BH1750 into a sleep mode (1uA consumption), it has to be called as follows:

                            void setup()  {
                            lightMeter.begin(BH1750_ONE_TIME_HIGH_RES_MODE);
                            
                            }
                            

                            After a one time measurement it goes to sleep automatically.
                            Please see -> https://github.com/claws/BH1750/blob/master/examples/BH1750advanced/BH1750advanced.ino

                            I have tried above, but still getting 0.14mA consumption in a sleep mode. Very odd!

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                            Koresh
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                            wrote on last edited by Koresh
                            #56

                            @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                            ...
                            After a one time measurement it goes to sleep automatically.
                            ...
                            I have tried above, but still getting 0.14mA consumption in a sleep mode. Very odd!

                            I've read the claws library briefly again. I'm a litte doubt that this code:

                            _delay_ms(10);
                            

                            is enough to ensure correctly timings and sensors work :)

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                            • KoreshK Koresh

                              @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                              ...
                              After a one time measurement it goes to sleep automatically.
                              ...
                              I have tried above, but still getting 0.14mA consumption in a sleep mode. Very odd!

                              I've read the claws library briefly again. I'm a litte doubt that this code:

                              _delay_ms(10);
                              

                              is enough to ensure correctly timings and sensors work :)

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                              #57

                              @Koresh It does work, I have just test it, but there is a delay, i.e. the sensor is lagging one reading behind.

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                              • KoreshK Koresh

                                @alexsh1 Very strange. I can't see a method write8 in current lib version (https://github.com/claws/BH1750). So I can't understand how is it possible to compile default code with this string

                                lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                                

                                I couldn't put this sensor into power down mode without this.

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #58

                                @Koresh said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                                @alexsh1 Very strange. I can't see a method write8 in current lib version (https://github.com/claws/BH1750). So I can't understand how is it possible to compile default code with this string

                                lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                                

                                I couldn't put this sensor into power down mode without this.

                                I tried it with the original (old) library -> https://github.com/mysensors/MySensorsArduinoExamples/tree/master/libraries/BH1750

                                I commended out "private" in bh1750.h
                                Consumption has not changed - 0.14mA

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                                • KoreshK Koresh

                                  @alexsh1 Very strange. I can't see a method write8 in current lib version (https://github.com/claws/BH1750). So I can't understand how is it possible to compile default code with this string

                                  lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                                  

                                  I couldn't put this sensor into power down mode without this.

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                                  #59

                                  @Koresh One more observation. If I comment out:

                                  //lightMeter.write8(BH1750_POWER_DOWN);
                                  

                                  from the original sketch, the consumption goes up to 0.27mA.
                                  So BH1750 is not a problem. Something else is eating up a few milliamps.

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                                    @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                                    Something else is eating up a few milliamps

                                    yes seems your board has bad capacitors. After rechecking many boards we found one eating a lot - 0.4 mA. Replacing caps fixed issue.

                                    2_1499267230472_noLDO.jpg 1_1499267230472_LDO.jpg 0_1499267230471_gooodCap.jpg

                                    can you check?

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                                      @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                                      Something else is eating up a few milliamps

                                      yes seems your board has bad capacitors. After rechecking many boards we found one eating a lot - 0.4 mA. Replacing caps fixed issue.

                                      2_1499267230472_noLDO.jpg 1_1499267230472_LDO.jpg 0_1499267230471_gooodCap.jpg

                                      can you check?

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                                      wrote on last edited by alexsh1
                                      #61

                                      @yury There are two yellow caps in your photo. Do I have to change both of them? What's nominal please?

                                      EDIT: both are 107J SMD Tantalum

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                                        @alexsh1 said in 💬 Button size radionode with sensors swarm extension:

                                        Something else is eating up a few milliamps

                                        yes seems your board has bad capacitors. After rechecking many boards we found one eating a lot - 0.4 mA. Replacing caps fixed issue.

                                        2_1499267230472_noLDO.jpg 1_1499267230472_LDO.jpg 0_1499267230471_gooodCap.jpg

                                        can you check?

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                                        #62

                                        @yury I was suspecting EEPROM (CS pin with pull-up resistor?) to be a culprit

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                                          combined capacitance of booth should be 100 --200 microfarads . It is input capacitors.
                                          please try replacing them

                                          re:
                                          I was suspecting EEPROM (CS pin with pull-up resistor?) to be a culprit

                                          not pullups...

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