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  • nagelcN nagelc

    I repurposed a breakout board to make an informal range test of an RA-01 (433 Mhz).
    The test was not very sophisticated -- I had MySensors node request time from the controller and blink a LED when it received the time. Then I just walked around my neighborhood.
    Lost the signal at ~ 156 Meters. This was down hill and through several houses.
    Picked up again at ~ 248 Meters. This was at about the same elevation as my house but still through several houses.
    It also works well in the far corner of my basement (2 floors and 1 or 2 walls). The NRF24 has trouble there, but RFM69 does not.
    The range may not seem very impressive for a LoRa radio (I hoped for kilometers : ) , but the antennas are not optimized and this is a fairly dense suburban area -- difficult to get line of site. They certainly work well enough for any application I have in mind.

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    NeverDie
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    wrote on last edited by NeverDie
    #668

    @nagelc If you add some coding gain, you should be able to get longer range. However, tx time will increase.

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      #669

      Thks. I'll try that.

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      • nagelcN nagelc

        Thks. I'll try that.

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        wrote on last edited by
        #670

        Not so much a MySensors build as an example of how even the most basic information can inform changes for the better, in this case space heating.

        The system here is fairly basic, an array of DS18B20s, some ultrasonic tank probes and a gas reed sensor, temperature is updated every 5 minutes, the gas updates every 0.05m3...
        With winters here down to -20, the first priority last year was insulation, and even though a modern house, the gas bills essentially halved over the year, effectively funding not only the insulation, but replacement axial radiator valves and thermostat heads (Heimeier) to replace the typical arrangement of unknown origin, with spare... But now the MySensors impact..
        This autumn's attention turned to the central heating unit, a modern combi unit of good manufacture, installed by a 'certified' heating engineer, but aside what little I knew about condensation boilers and the steep learning curve that followed, I was bemused by the return from the radiator loop almost burning my finger within 10 minutes of the system being fired up. This did not make sense for what I understood of a condensing boilers, which compelled a look inside for the first time, the manual and some googling.

        The boiler is a 25kW combi with minimum output 7.6kW, the radiators account for ca 13kW at Delta 60 set for 15c drop (previously set ca 20c drop), settings since day one were 65c and the pump was set at max output of 3, last year's -20 resulted in 13.5m3/day gas consumed, not crazy by historical records, but hmmm.
        So now comes tinkering with data from MySensors via Domoticz to inform...
        Currently the boiler is set at 55c, the pump is on Low (40 v 84w), but the results are surprising - Slower rising temperature when ON, 42 minutes v 25, but gas use dropped from 0.75 to 0.6m3, but here's the kicker from that longer heating time, not only less energy used per cycle, but longer and thereby fewer cycles per day. Current evaluations are between 15 and 20% savings, so thank you to all the MySensors community and contributors.. ;)

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          jeremushka
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          #671

          I have build a very quick board with Dual relay channel, arduino nano, NRF24 transceiver, Power supply from 220V.
          There is also "Fil Pilote" connection to pilot the electrical heater. It is a french protocol.
          It is a "dirty" board for sure but usefull when i want to test some code implemented in the arduino Nano.

          0_1543502852591_IMG_20181129_153704.jpg

          I would like to make a cleaner board, a real PCB but if i launch the manufacturing i wil get minimum of 10 boards that i do not need.

          If anybody, could explain to me how i can print my own PCB for quick tests about some projects, some features implementations, it would be nice :)

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          • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

            I have build a very quick board with Dual relay channel, arduino nano, NRF24 transceiver, Power supply from 220V.
            There is also "Fil Pilote" connection to pilot the electrical heater. It is a french protocol.
            It is a "dirty" board for sure but usefull when i want to test some code implemented in the arduino Nano.

            0_1543502852591_IMG_20181129_153704.jpg

            I would like to make a cleaner board, a real PCB but if i launch the manufacturing i wil get minimum of 10 boards that i do not need.

            If anybody, could explain to me how i can print my own PCB for quick tests about some projects, some features implementations, it would be nice :)

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            NeverDie
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            wrote on last edited by NeverDie
            #672

            @jeremushka Well, since you ask, you can use a CNC to etch and drill your own PCB: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/8735/cnc-pcb-milling

            A board such as yours would be fairly easy to do that way.

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            • NeverDieN NeverDie

              @jeremushka Well, since you ask, you can use a CNC to etch and drill your own PCB: https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/8735/cnc-pcb-milling

              A board such as yours would be fairly easy to do that way.

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              jeremushka
              wrote on last edited by
              #673

              @neverdie thanks for the advice. Maybe i can first try pcb transfer with laser printer and chemical etching.

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              • jeremushkaJ jeremushka

                @neverdie thanks for the advice. Maybe i can first try pcb transfer with laser printer and chemical etching.

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                bjacobse
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                #674

                @jeremushka
                I have used that several times with good results, though do not make wires too narrow and put them too close to each other.

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                • zboblamontZ zboblamont

                  Not so much a MySensors build as an example of how even the most basic information can inform changes for the better, in this case space heating.

                  The system here is fairly basic, an array of DS18B20s, some ultrasonic tank probes and a gas reed sensor, temperature is updated every 5 minutes, the gas updates every 0.05m3...
                  With winters here down to -20, the first priority last year was insulation, and even though a modern house, the gas bills essentially halved over the year, effectively funding not only the insulation, but replacement axial radiator valves and thermostat heads (Heimeier) to replace the typical arrangement of unknown origin, with spare... But now the MySensors impact..
                  This autumn's attention turned to the central heating unit, a modern combi unit of good manufacture, installed by a 'certified' heating engineer, but aside what little I knew about condensation boilers and the steep learning curve that followed, I was bemused by the return from the radiator loop almost burning my finger within 10 minutes of the system being fired up. This did not make sense for what I understood of a condensing boilers, which compelled a look inside for the first time, the manual and some googling.

                  The boiler is a 25kW combi with minimum output 7.6kW, the radiators account for ca 13kW at Delta 60 set for 15c drop (previously set ca 20c drop), settings since day one were 65c and the pump was set at max output of 3, last year's -20 resulted in 13.5m3/day gas consumed, not crazy by historical records, but hmmm.
                  So now comes tinkering with data from MySensors via Domoticz to inform...
                  Currently the boiler is set at 55c, the pump is on Low (40 v 84w), but the results are surprising - Slower rising temperature when ON, 42 minutes v 25, but gas use dropped from 0.75 to 0.6m3, but here's the kicker from that longer heating time, not only less energy used per cycle, but longer and thereby fewer cycles per day. Current evaluations are between 15 and 20% savings, so thank you to all the MySensors community and contributors.. ;)

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #675

                  @zboblamont lowering water temperature and pump speed is expected to use less energy, but have you considered the time it takes now to reach the set room temperature compared to what you had before?

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                    zboblamont
                    wrote on last edited by zboblamont
                    #676

                    @gohan Sorry, had to edit original post which was too confused on re-reading.
                    The pump speed curves determine the pressure and flow rate to the radiators, it is the radiators which determine the actual flow for a given temperature drop across them, and speed in raising room temperatures.
                    The combined flow rate for all the radiators falls within the lower pump curve, any increase in pump speed only increases pressure, NOT speed of heating.
                    Aside the original mis-set HIGH rate on the pump, there are 3 manual valves left in the system, and no matter how close I try to balance them it was always a compromise, and heat inevitably goes back to the return as pressure increases
                    Once these are replaced with flow control version in the next week, it will not matter what the pressure is, the radiator flows will be capped at the most efficient level.

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                      dakipro
                      wrote on last edited by dakipro
                      #677

                      My wife said "I do not want to see "those things""...
                      Challenge accepted!

                      0_1544224086865_TV LED display 1 - 20181207_171500.jpg

                      1_1544224086867_TV LED display 2 - 20181207_183612.jpg

                      0_1544224266422_MVI_5770.00_00_03_13.Still001.jpg

                      (see the gif in action here https://ibb.co/BCbS2Dc )

                      C: OpenHAB2 with node-red on linux laptop
                      GW: Arduino Nano - W5100 Ethernet, Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz mqtt
                      GW: Arduino Mega, RFLink 433Mhz

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                        #678

                        Milled some PCA9615 differential I2C converters for the sensors ouside: magnetometer for the gas meter, temp/hum, baro.
                        Until now I've used a 7 meter long cable, but whenever the gas water heater fired up the Arduino would just freeze losing the count of gas pulses, I've tried shielded cable but it hasn't solved the issue.
                        Since Sparkfun's breakout boards are on the wrong side of the pond I decided to make my own.
                        Really hope the Arduino doesn't lock up anymore.

                        LE. That TSSOP10 was a b*tch to solder 😁

                        0_1544228821399_IMG_20181207_192354.jpg 0_1544228904350_IMG_20181207_200947.jpg 0_1544228912010_IMG_20181208_000800.jpg

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                        • D dakipro

                          My wife said "I do not want to see "those things""...
                          Challenge accepted!

                          0_1544224086865_TV LED display 1 - 20181207_171500.jpg

                          1_1544224086867_TV LED display 2 - 20181207_183612.jpg

                          0_1544224266422_MVI_5770.00_00_03_13.Still001.jpg

                          (see the gif in action here https://ibb.co/BCbS2Dc )

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #679

                          @dakipro woaw!!! 👏

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                          • D dakipro

                            My wife said "I do not want to see "those things""...
                            Challenge accepted!

                            0_1544224086865_TV LED display 1 - 20181207_171500.jpg

                            1_1544224086867_TV LED display 2 - 20181207_183612.jpg

                            0_1544224266422_MVI_5770.00_00_03_13.Still001.jpg

                            (see the gif in action here https://ibb.co/BCbS2Dc )

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                            Nca78
                            Hardware Contributor
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                            #680

                            @dakipro thank you that's what I planned to do but wasn't sure it would be visible through the plastic layer.
                            Coupled with capacitive sensors it could give awesome results !

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                            • D dakipro

                              My wife said "I do not want to see "those things""...
                              Challenge accepted!

                              0_1544224086865_TV LED display 1 - 20181207_171500.jpg

                              1_1544224086867_TV LED display 2 - 20181207_183612.jpg

                              0_1544224266422_MVI_5770.00_00_03_13.Still001.jpg

                              (see the gif in action here https://ibb.co/BCbS2Dc )

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                              bjacobse
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                              #681

                              @dakipro
                              great job :-)
                              , and also the show on TV is quite funny, those two Englishmen in US buying old cars renovating and selling those

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                              • Nca78N Nca78

                                @dakipro thank you that's what I planned to do but wasn't sure it would be visible through the plastic layer.
                                Coupled with capacitive sensors it could give awesome results !

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #682

                                @nca78 I used white decorative self adhesive wallpaper, so not sure which plastic you are planing to use, but you can easily test that before mounting I think. If you go for paper/foil, put some one-peace plastic in front of the displays as they (mine) are not perfectly soldered in line, so they are noticeable sa foil will glue to them. Not a big deal for me, but would love "the perfection". But yeah, plastic or some harder material would work awesome I think.

                                All in all, not difficult project and a very high wow-factor/time-spent value (and waf)

                                C: OpenHAB2 with node-red on linux laptop
                                GW: Arduino Nano - W5100 Ethernet, Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz mqtt
                                GW: Arduino Mega, RFLink 433Mhz

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                                  @nca78 I used white decorative self adhesive wallpaper, so not sure which plastic you are planing to use, but you can easily test that before mounting I think. If you go for paper/foil, put some one-peace plastic in front of the displays as they (mine) are not perfectly soldered in line, so they are noticeable sa foil will glue to them. Not a big deal for me, but would love "the perfection". But yeah, plastic or some harder material would work awesome I think.

                                  All in all, not difficult project and a very high wow-factor/time-spent value (and waf)

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                                  Nca78
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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #683

                                  @dakipro ah ok you cheated :D

                                  I thought you kept the plastic layer that's glued on top of the wood panel. I'll try to get some samples from the company selling those here and make some tests then.

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                                  • D dakipro

                                    @nca78 I used white decorative self adhesive wallpaper, so not sure which plastic you are planing to use, but you can easily test that before mounting I think. If you go for paper/foil, put some one-peace plastic in front of the displays as they (mine) are not perfectly soldered in line, so they are noticeable sa foil will glue to them. Not a big deal for me, but would love "the perfection". But yeah, plastic or some harder material would work awesome I think.

                                    All in all, not difficult project and a very high wow-factor/time-spent value (and waf)

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #684

                                    @dakipro
                                    BTW I can only recommend to spray your bare cobber wires with Plastic 70, as this will protect your cobber from corrosion with a thin layer acrylic

                                    0_1544345727981_plastik_70.png

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                                      #685

                                      Try this one.
                                      The smallest board I have ever assembled using just a hot fan. A solar battery charger based on BQ25504 from a solar panel. Almost all components are 0402. Far too small for my liking, but can go under the solar panel.

                                      0_1546964306401_FFE84E8C-991D-4342-8272-2180F79333A8.jpeg

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                                        Looks great. I'm still happy when I get an 0805 down well. Guess I have to keep practicing.

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                                        • nagelcN nagelc

                                          Looks great. I'm still happy when I get an 0805 down well. Guess I have to keep practicing.

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                                          @nagelc said in What did you build today (Pictures) ?:

                                          Looks great. I'm still happy when I get an 0805 down well. Guess I have to keep practicing.

                                          Try solder paste applied with a thin needle, and a hot air gun at minimum speed (so components don't fly away). Then it's really easy to do SMD :)

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