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Anyone else experiencing this?

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    hek
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    Your neighbor is a frequent microwave oven user?

    Maybe you could log something to your eeprom to see how frequent it is.

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    • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

      No clue what happens to you but this is what I see.

      I have a setup of a gateway (nano, radio, serial connection, 24/7 power), a repeater (nano, radio, 24/7 power) and a temperature sensor (pro mini, radio, dallas, 3v batteries).

      I am testing the battery level and move the sensor while testing it.
      I see a lot of fails when I have it next to me on the coach while testing (gw direct).
      I see no fails when I lift it about 30 cm (gw direct).
      I see no fails when I have it on my workbench (repeater).
      When I disconnect it and bring it back to its normal location the sensor sometimes connects and sometimes (like right now) refuses to connect again.
      I have no clue what is going on (because I am waiting for your sniffer @Yveaux :)) except that I know that the current level is ok.

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      @marceltrapman said:

      because I am waiting for your sniffer @Yveaux

      Just get it from my GitHub then ;-) (https://github.com/Yveaux/NRF24_Sniffer)
      You have to figure out how it works by yourself until I have some time to blog about it...

      Anyway, the nRF24 seems to be very sensitive to location/orientation then?! It's true that I just 'throw' it on the table an the orientation will be different eveyday.
      Is that the right conclusion? Really?

      @hek I'm sure they love their microwave but to use it one day for the whole evening and the other day not at all seems very unlikely to me...

      http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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        @marceltrapman said:

        because I am waiting for your sniffer @Yveaux

        Just get it from my GitHub then ;-) (https://github.com/Yveaux/NRF24_Sniffer)
        You have to figure out how it works by yourself until I have some time to blog about it...

        Anyway, the nRF24 seems to be very sensitive to location/orientation then?! It's true that I just 'throw' it on the table an the orientation will be different eveyday.
        Is that the right conclusion? Really?

        @hek I'm sure they love their microwave but to use it one day for the whole evening and the other day not at all seems very unlikely to me...

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        @Yveaux I tied your sniffer, I got so far I was going to specify user DLT user 147, but I couln't figure out what plugin to use to what protocol and sizes.. If you could help with that I would be greatful!

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        • DammeD Damme

          @Yveaux I tied your sniffer, I got so far I was going to specify user DLT user 147, but I couln't figure out what plugin to use to what protocol and sizes.. If you could help with that I would be greatful!

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          @Damme I will I will... Just find some ime to blog about it...
          Today I made radio parameters configurable, which is an absolute must IMHO.
          The code is almost in a state I dare releasing it to all of you, so It won't be long hopefully...

          http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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            And btw, I experience myself wierd transmission loss, it can work 100% with no packetloss for 30-40h straight, and then not working for ~1-120min and then work fine again.. I ´can't figure out why.. I havent looked into the raw data yet.

            @Yveaux just post a screenshot on the DLT user dialog.. :hamburger:

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            • DammeD Damme

              @Yveaux I tied your sniffer, I got so far I was going to specify user DLT user 147, but I couln't figure out what plugin to use to what protocol and sizes.. If you could help with that I would be greatful!

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              @Damme You got quite far actually! Make sure DLT user 0 (DLT=147) payload protocol is set to nrf24, header size 0, trailer size 0 and copy the right MySensors dissector (mysensors1.dll for v1.3 or mysensors2.dll for v1.4) into your plugins directory (next to nrf24.dll). Better to have only one mysensors plugin as the dissectors cannot reliably determine the protocol version.

              http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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              • YveauxY Yveaux

                @Damme You got quite far actually! Make sure DLT user 0 (DLT=147) payload protocol is set to nrf24, header size 0, trailer size 0 and copy the right MySensors dissector (mysensors1.dll for v1.3 or mysensors2.dll for v1.4) into your plugins directory (next to nrf24.dll). Better to have only one mysensors plugin as the dissectors cannot reliably determine the protocol version.

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                @Yveaux Aha! I was almost there, I had both mysensor dll loaded.. :) Thanks dude!

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                • YveauxY Yveaux

                  @Damme You got quite far actually! Make sure DLT user 0 (DLT=147) payload protocol is set to nrf24, header size 0, trailer size 0 and copy the right MySensors dissector (mysensors1.dll for v1.3 or mysensors2.dll for v1.4) into your plugins directory (next to nrf24.dll). Better to have only one mysensors plugin as the dissectors cannot reliably determine the protocol version.

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                  @Yveaux said:

                  as the dissectors cannot reliably determine the protocol version

                  @hek shuffled the header bytes around going from 1.3 to 1.4 and that killed my heuristic dissectors ;-(

                  http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                  • DammeD Damme

                    @Yveaux Aha! I was almost there, I had both mysensor dll loaded.. :) Thanks dude!

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                    @Damme You seem to be an experineced Wireshark user/developer, right? This stuff is far from trivial...

                    http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                    • DammeD Damme

                      And btw, I experience myself wierd transmission loss, it can work 100% with no packetloss for 30-40h straight, and then not working for ~1-120min and then work fine again.. I ´can't figure out why.. I havent looked into the raw data yet.

                      @Yveaux just post a screenshot on the DLT user dialog.. :hamburger:

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                      @Damme said:

                      work 100% with no packetloss for 30-40h straight, and then not working for ~1-120min and then work fine again

                      Could be the same issue, though. My hobbying evenings are not that long nowadays...

                      http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                      • YveauxY Yveaux

                        @Damme You seem to be an experineced Wireshark user/developer, right? This stuff is far from trivial...

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                        @yveayx continue here..:) http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/229/your-workshop/17

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                        • YveauxY Yveaux

                          @marceltrapman said:

                          because I am waiting for your sniffer @Yveaux

                          Just get it from my GitHub then ;-) (https://github.com/Yveaux/NRF24_Sniffer)
                          You have to figure out how it works by yourself until I have some time to blog about it...

                          Anyway, the nRF24 seems to be very sensitive to location/orientation then?! It's true that I just 'throw' it on the table an the orientation will be different eveyday.
                          Is that the right conclusion? Really?

                          @hek I'm sure they love their microwave but to use it one day for the whole evening and the other day not at all seems very unlikely to me...

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                          @Yveaux

                          Anyway, the nRF24 seems to be very sensitive to location/orientation then?! It's true that I just 'throw' it on the table an the orientation will be different eveyday.
                          Is that the right conclusion? Really?

                          See the antenna patterns @a-lurker found in an ap note for a similar meandering inverted F antenna: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/swra117d/swra117d.pdf (scroll down to the polar charts).

                          There are 6 charts with two each (horiz and vertical polarization) for each of the three planes. Our nRF is probably different in detail but similar overall.

                          So just rotating the nRF 20 degree along some axis might well significantly reduce or enhance its antenna gain. This is without any question of reflections or interference.

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