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Wireless nRF24L01+ sniffer for MySensors

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  • YveauxY Yveaux

    @marceltrapman said:

    1. Once Wireshark was started like described I noticed that the Nrf24Sniff console window displayed a *'Wait for sniffer to restart' *message. The author mentions that this will only take a few seconds but in my case I actually needed to reset the Arduino for it to go away. No exception.

    I changed the nrf24snif.exe to explicitly reset the Arduino (works for Uno) by lowering DTR/RTS lines. Should work for (most?) other Arduino's too, but I don't have any other to test one.
    For me it seems to work now. Could you test if this works stable for you too?

    Oh yeah, I added support for some status leds to the Sniffer, connected to A0..A4 and via resistors to GND:

    • A0 sniffer monitoring (LED turns off during reset)
    • A1 sniffer receiving a packet
    • A2 sniffer transmitting (serially) a packet
    • A3 new configuration received
    • A4 buffer overflow
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    @Yveaux Nice.

    When I find the time I will test it for Uno and Mega.
    Not sure that I have a free Nano right now.
    Also not sure that I have a soldered Pro Mini.

    Fulltime Servoy Developer
    Parttime Moderator MySensors board

    I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
    I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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    • YveauxY Yveaux

      @marceltrapman said:

      1. Once Wireshark was started like described I noticed that the Nrf24Sniff console window displayed a *'Wait for sniffer to restart' *message. The author mentions that this will only take a few seconds but in my case I actually needed to reset the Arduino for it to go away. No exception.

      I changed the nrf24snif.exe to explicitly reset the Arduino (works for Uno) by lowering DTR/RTS lines. Should work for (most?) other Arduino's too, but I don't have any other to test one.
      For me it seems to work now. Could you test if this works stable for you too?

      Oh yeah, I added support for some status leds to the Sniffer, connected to A0..A4 and via resistors to GND:

      • A0 sniffer monitoring (LED turns off during reset)
      • A1 sniffer receiving a packet
      • A2 sniffer transmitting (serially) a packet
      • A3 new configuration received
      • A4 buffer overflow
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      #42

      @Yveaux

      Oh yeah, I added support for some status leds to the Sniffer, connected to A0..A4 and via resistors to GND:

      • A0 sniffer monitoring (LED turns off during reset)
      • A1 sniffer receiving a packet
      • A2 sniffer transmitting (serially) a packet
      • A3 new configuration received
      • A4 buffer overflow

      Maybe I should create a (little) shield for this that holds the radio as well.
      Or just use a prototype board...

      Fulltime Servoy Developer
      Parttime Moderator MySensors board

      I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
      I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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      • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

        @Yveaux

        Oh yeah, I added support for some status leds to the Sniffer, connected to A0..A4 and via resistors to GND:

        • A0 sniffer monitoring (LED turns off during reset)
        • A1 sniffer receiving a packet
        • A2 sniffer transmitting (serially) a packet
        • A3 new configuration received
        • A4 buffer overflow

        Maybe I should create a (little) shield for this that holds the radio as well.
        Or just use a prototype board...

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        #43

        @marceltrapman Maybe all of the LEDs are a bit overkill, but the RX LED and maybe the buffer-full LED can seriously be handy.

        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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          marceltrapman
          Mod
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          #44

          I only checked the UNO with the new sketch (no LEDs) and the new iteration of nrf24snif.exe and both work as expected...

          @Yveaux Well done again!

          Fulltime Servoy Developer
          Parttime Moderator MySensors board

          I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
          I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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          • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

            Everything works now.

            Did not see any packets coming in though but I remember having an issue with a couple of Uno's and I am not sure if this was one of them.

            Anyway, I will do some more testing tomorrow.
            Very exited :)

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            #45

            @marceltrapman And? How did the testing go?
            I fixed the Nrf24sniff.exe to use static linking so the msvcr110.dll should no longer be required.
            Also fixed executable so it runs on WinXP now (untested...).

            http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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            • YveauxY Yveaux

              @marceltrapman And? How did the testing go?
              I fixed the Nrf24sniff.exe to use static linking so the msvcr110.dll should no longer be required.
              Also fixed executable so it runs on WinXP now (untested...).

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              @Yveaux To be honest, I have played with it a little but I have not come much further.
              Spent my time this weekend on other things :)
              Will let you know soon!

              Fulltime Servoy Developer
              Parttime Moderator MySensors board

              I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
              I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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                Could the line quality information be queried directly by the gateway so that it can be known without additional hardware?

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                • R Rasmus Eneman

                  Could the line quality information be queried directly by the gateway so that it can be known without additional hardware?

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                  @Rasmus-Eneman no, the nrf24 does not expose it. You can query the amount of retries it took before a message got an acknowledgement, which could be used as quality indication.

                  http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                    @Yveaux Okej, Thank You!

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                    • YveauxY Yveaux

                      @marceltrapman And? How did the testing go?
                      I fixed the Nrf24sniff.exe to use static linking so the msvcr110.dll should no longer be required.
                      Also fixed executable so it runs on WinXP now (untested...).

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                      #50

                      @Yveaux said:

                      And? How did the testing go?

                      So, testing went well :)
                      I found a couple of malformed packets coming in so I will have to investigate that.
                      Yesterday evening I created my first shield, first double sided board and in fact the first true 'home brew' pcb in my entire life...

                      This is what it looks like (it is a bit of a mess because I messed up my via's the first time...
                      IMG_0502.jpg

                      Fulltime Servoy Developer
                      Parttime Moderator MySensors board

                      I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
                      I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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                      • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

                        @Yveaux said:

                        And? How did the testing go?

                        So, testing went well :)
                        I found a couple of malformed packets coming in so I will have to investigate that.
                        Yesterday evening I created my first shield, first double sided board and in fact the first true 'home brew' pcb in my entire life...

                        This is what it looks like (it is a bit of a mess because I messed up my via's the first time...
                        IMG_0502.jpg

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                        #51

                        @marceltrapman Wooow! First 'official' sniffer PCB! :+1: (did you give it an oldskool look? looks 50 years+ old :-)
                        Great it worked out that well!

                        In my experience there are always some malformed packets, nothing to worry about.

                        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                        • YveauxY Yveaux

                          Ok, brace yourself! :zap:

                          I finally had the time to write on my blog about the wireless network sniffer I've been working on lately.
                          For the impatient see:

                          • http://yveaux.blogspot.nl/2014/07/nrf24l01-sniffer-part-1.html
                          • http://yveaux.blogspot.nl/2014/07/nrf24l01-sniffer-part-2.html
                          • http://yveaux.blogspot.nl/2014/07/nrf24l01-sniffer-part-3.html

                          This wireless sniffer allows you to capture traffic on air between multiple nodes of your MySensors network and is able to even capture packets with invalid CRC Values. The amount of CRC errors gives a fair indication of link quality, which is not provided by the nRF24.

                          The sniffer in action:
                          http://www.youtube.com/embed/wxjxm0LnkAk

                          Actual capturing is performed by an nRF24L01+ module connected to an Arduino (we all known how to do that ;-) ). No other hardware is required.

                          A small piece of software (currently only for Windows, sorry @hek) reads the packet data from the sniffer and forwards it to Wireshark, a network protocol analyzer.
                          Wireshark then allows you to inspect the packages from high-level down to the individual bits, filter by content, and analyze statistics.
                          Details are all in the blog posts. Last post in this series, which is yet to be written, will dive into using Wireshark and getting useful information from it.
                          I didn't want to keep this tool to myself until finally finished and documented, so there can (will?) still be some bugs left...

                          Please discuss any issues/ideas/suggestions in here or in my blog.

                          Happy sniffin' to all of you!

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                          • YveauxY Yveaux

                            @marceltrapman Wooow! First 'official' sniffer PCB! :+1: (did you give it an oldskool look? looks 50 years+ old :-)
                            Great it worked out that well!

                            In my experience there are always some malformed packets, nothing to worry about.

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                            @Yveaux It is a combination of the board color (it really is a bit 'greenish') the green matte, daylight gone and the flash light :)

                            I am pretty content with it except that I need to think about those via's next time as well as using flux.

                            Any idea where those malformed packets come from?

                            Fulltime Servoy Developer
                            Parttime Moderator MySensors board

                            I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
                            I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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                            • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

                              @Yveaux It is a combination of the board color (it really is a bit 'greenish') the green matte, daylight gone and the flash light :)

                              I am pretty content with it except that I need to think about those via's next time as well as using flux.

                              Any idea where those malformed packets come from?

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                              Mod
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                              #54

                              @marceltrapman try to combine vias with through hole components. E.g a resistor write can bring you to the other side of the board.
                              Or just make the board single sided. Should be doable for such a board and it is also easier to construct.
                              I switched to smd primarily to prevent drilling and reduce board space...
                              Just a matter of taste/laziness :)

                              http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                              • marceltrapmanM marceltrapman

                                @Yveaux It is a combination of the board color (it really is a bit 'greenish') the green matte, daylight gone and the flash light :)

                                I am pretty content with it except that I need to think about those via's next time as well as using flux.

                                Any idea where those malformed packets come from?

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                                Yveaux
                                Mod
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                                #55

                                @marceltrapman said

                                Any idea where those malformed packets come from?

                                I guess it's just inherent to wireless traffic. The same reason why a Wi-Fi connection gives different rates all of the time.
                                It's just a hunch, I didn't really dive into it.
                                Using the sniffer we could also get some real figures on e.g. the capacitor fix. It all can make a difference but as long as you cannot measure objectively it is all guessing...

                                http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                • YveauxY Yveaux

                                  @marceltrapman try to combine vias with through hole components. E.g a resistor write can bring you to the other side of the board.
                                  Or just make the board single sided. Should be doable for such a board and it is also easier to construct.
                                  I switched to smd primarily to prevent drilling and reduce board space...
                                  Just a matter of taste/laziness :)

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                                  @Yveaux said:

                                  try to combine vias with through hole components. E.g a resistor write can bring you to the other side of the board.

                                  I know and I did that with the LED's but with a header that is more difficult.

                                  Or just make the board single sided. Should be doable for such a board and it is also easier to construct.

                                  I am sure but I did not want to do that. This also was a learning project for me :)

                                  I switched to smd primarily to prevent drilling and reduce board space...
                                  Just a matter of taste/laziness :)

                                  I am going to do that as well but I wanted to do one step at a time...

                                  Thanks for your advice, much appreciated!!!

                                  Fulltime Servoy Developer
                                  Parttime Moderator MySensors board

                                  I use Domoticz as controller for Z-Wave and MySensors (previously Indigo and OpenHAB).
                                  I have a FABtotum to print cases.

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                                    Hackaday! Congrats.

                                    http://hackaday.com/2014/08/05/sniffing-nrf24l01-traffic-with-wireshark/

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                                      Hackaday! Congrats.

                                      http://hackaday.com/2014/08/05/sniffing-nrf24l01-traffic-with-wireshark/

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                                      #58

                                      @hek wow! Thanks for the tip!
                                      Hope this will also boost mysensors popularity!

                                      Over 1000 hits on my blog in half a day! Wow!

                                      http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                        Updated the sniffer's Wireshark dissectors to MySensors 1.4b protocol version of Aug 18, 2014.
                                        Please update the **mysensors2.dll **when you update to this 1.4b version.

                                        http://yveaux.blogspot.nl

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                                        • YveauxY Yveaux

                                          Updated the sniffer's Wireshark dissectors to MySensors 1.4b protocol version of Aug 18, 2014.
                                          Please update the **mysensors2.dll **when you update to this 1.4b version.

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                                          #60

                                          @Yveaux Thanks for putting this together. I'm trying it out today and seem to have everything running properly and without errors, but it's not capturing any packets. Can I just run nrf24sniff with all default parameters (other than the com port) for the current 1.4 release, or do I need to change some of them? I haven't made any changes to the default mysensor settings such as channel and data rate. I'm running it on a Mega, but have tested the radio, etc. using the BinarySwitchSensor sketch and it's communicating properly to my gateway/controller.

                                          Thanks
                                          Al

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