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💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors

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  • sundberg84S sundberg84

    @Tommas 5v + 3.3v pro mini there is no example for this. Add your 3.3v pro mini and radio. Connect 5v to raw and put a jumper/connect both reg and bat.

    If you want to use to for 2xaa please follow the example.

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    Dear @sundberg84 !
    Thank you! ANd which example should i follow with this modification?
    Thanks
    T

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    • gohanG gohan

      There is no right answer since without knowing what you want to do, they could be all wrong or even all correct. :)

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      @gohan

      Dear gohan!
      I would like to power all my nodes from a central power source with 5V . I would like to use 3.3V microcontroller with 3V sensors... because of the voltage drop down caused by the distance (5-15m from the power source). Maybe there will be 1-2 battery powered sensor nodes..
      This is my plan.
      I dont like using battery. It is too hard for me to optimize the sensors for battery...

      Best regards
      T

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        In that case you could also go for rs485 bus. Voltage sources could be also 7 or 9v since you will be using the internal regulator anyway. Most sensor can operate at 5v too, so you don't actually need 3.3v. Optimizing for battery isn't that bad too. Since you are powering the nodes you could also use esp8266 nodes

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        • sundberg84S sundberg84

          @Tommas 5v + 3.3v pro mini there is no example for this. Add your 3.3v pro mini and radio. Connect 5v to raw and put a jumper/connect both reg and bat.

          If you want to use to for 2xaa please follow the example.

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          Dear @sundberg84

          If i use 5V regulated example, has it got 3.3V output for the sensors?

          Thanks
          T

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            #423

            if you install the voltage regulator in the top left area, you will have the 3.3v ( if I got your question right)

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            • gohanG gohan

              if you install the voltage regulator in the top left area, you will have the 3.3v ( if I got your question right)

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              @gohan

              Oh OK! Thank you! The decision is hard for me, which solution i should use:) .

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              • T Tommas

                Dear @sundberg84

                If i use 5V regulated example, has it got 3.3V output for the sensors?

                Thanks
                T

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                @Tommas If you are using 5 volts in and not using a 3.3v pro mini that has the 3.3v regulated output, then you have to add a TO92 case style 3.3v regulator and two capacitors to the board. Here are some that should work. Whatever one you get, make sure you check the pinout against the markings on the board as not all regulators have the same pinout.
                http://www.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Power-Management-ICs/LDO-Voltage-Regulators/_/N-5cgac?P=1z0y3jsZ1z0wa2e&pop=88zz

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                • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                  @Tommas If you are using 5 volts in and not using a 3.3v pro mini that has the 3.3v regulated output, then you have to add a TO92 case style 3.3v regulator and two capacitors to the board. Here are some that should work. Whatever one you get, make sure you check the pinout against the markings on the board as not all regulators have the same pinout.
                  http://www.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Power-Management-ICs/LDO-Voltage-Regulators/_/N-5cgac?P=1z0y3jsZ1z0wa2e&pop=88zz

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                  Dear @dbemowsk

                  I bought these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/401088383355

                  Thank you!

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                  • T Tommas

                    Dear @dbemowsk

                    I bought these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/401088383355

                    Thank you!

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                    sundberg84
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                    #427

                    @Tommas - this is the voltage regulator that the board is designed for so the markings/pinout will be right for you. If you put 5v on the PCB input and use 3.3v pro mini though, the only choise you have is to put 5v on RAW and let the onboard voltage regulator on the PCB regulate it down to 3.3v. The voltage regulator on the PCB only regulate the voltage to the radio and are meant for a 5v input on a 5v pro mini. Using raw means there is no need for the LE33.

                    Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                    MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                    RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                    • sundberg84S sundberg84

                      @keldandorin - are you using a booster as mentioned above?
                      The problem is in that case noice introduces in the radio from the booster (a known issue). I will in the future try to buy me a oscilloscope and diagnose more... but for now, if you add a "bad/cheap" booster it will be this problem. 2.8v sounds really bad though, and most likley a really bad clone.

                      You have two options.

                      1. Try another booster, and/or try to filter with capacitors.
                      2. Load a new bootloader that can handle lower voltages accoring to link above.

                      Let me know if I can assist you in any way.

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                      @sundberg84 Is there any way to say if booster is a bad one or not before ordering them?
                      The one I ordered was the one on shoping list from aliexpress. Will try I capacitator and see if I can get a new booster from kjell&Comany tomorrow just to try. Build a setup on bread bord where I powered radio with 2 AA and got the same result. Got a fju places where I like to put some sensors with no power so realy need to get this working :). Could the radiomodules be bad to?

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                        Bad quality from cheap Chinese suppliers, is always an option 😁

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                        • keldandorinK keldandorin

                          @sundberg84 Is there any way to say if booster is a bad one or not before ordering them?
                          The one I ordered was the one on shoping list from aliexpress. Will try I capacitator and see if I can get a new booster from kjell&Comany tomorrow just to try. Build a setup on bread bord where I powered radio with 2 AA and got the same result. Got a fju places where I like to put some sensors with no power so realy need to get this working :). Could the radiomodules be bad to?

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                          sundberg84
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                          @keldandorin - could be a weak clone radio yes.
                          Just to get your hopes up, I got booster driven nodes all around the place with Nrf24l01+ radio and they works great!
                          I change battery every 1-1.5 years but as I said, the experience is that the radio - booster needs a good teamwork :)

                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                          • sundberg84S sundberg84

                            @keldandorin - could be a weak clone radio yes.
                            Just to get your hopes up, I got booster driven nodes all around the place with Nrf24l01+ radio and they works great!
                            I change battery every 1-1.5 years but as I said, the experience is that the radio - booster needs a good teamwork :)

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                            keldandorin
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                            #431

                            @sundberg84 Sounds good, Thats what I'm looking for. Have never worked with tinkers like this befor so everything is new. But this place is great thx for taking time.

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                              Sorry, I'm a bit slow and maybe a little off-topic: A quicky:

                              Can I read somewhere how payment is done when ordering from openhardware.io? On the start page for openhardware.io there is no clue. I've also tried to search this section (easy-newbie-pcb-for-mysensors) for "payment".

                              Yes, I've read that the "order" is more like a forward of orderinformation to the supplier, but do I really need to order first and after that ask what payment solution is present?

                              :)


                              A complete rookie! Love this stuff! My path: Domoticz/Zwave and now a big MySensors-fan! :)

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                              • pellusfromtellusP pellusfromtellus

                                Sorry, I'm a bit slow and maybe a little off-topic: A quicky:

                                Can I read somewhere how payment is done when ordering from openhardware.io? On the start page for openhardware.io there is no clue. I've also tried to search this section (easy-newbie-pcb-for-mysensors) for "payment".

                                Yes, I've read that the "order" is more like a forward of orderinformation to the supplier, but do I really need to order first and after that ask what payment solution is present?

                                :)

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                                Hardware Contributor
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                                @pellusfromtellus - to get a 100% right answer we ping @hek but I recommend paypal!

                                Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                  @pellusfromtellus

                                  I think most of them handle paypal/card. You can press the "Order" button to find out. Nothing is binding until payment has been done.

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                                    Is there a drilling and outline file available?

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                                    • Paul RobertsonP Paul Robertson

                                      Is there a drilling and outline file available?

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                                      sundberg84
                                      Hardware Contributor
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #436

                                      @Paul-Robertson - hi!
                                      Yes, but this is Eagles output gerber files.

                                      Drill: SundbergMys9.TXT
                                      Outline can be found in all other files:

                                      https://www.pcbway.com/project/share/How_to_generate_Gerber_from_Eagle.html

                                      0_1505990995661_upload-c5e3c1d3-3dfb-46dc-9e10-e2d5dbfaca0d

                                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                      RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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                                        MySensors Evangelist
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                                        Damn. Just missing the 0,1uF capacitor ..... to complete the 5v build. This will be my smallest build yet ;-) using PCB v9

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                                        • sinczeS sincze

                                          Damn. Just missing the 0,1uF capacitor ..... to complete the 5v build. This will be my smallest build yet ;-) using PCB v9

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