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  • markjgabbM markjgabb

    @dbemowsk cheers for that...yeah i have a tonn of old 5v bricks lying around from old nokia chargers, so was just going to try use some of them up without having to buy anythiing else, as i have all of it on hand.... i have some LE33a's which should take care of any step down issues i think?

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    @markjgabb If you connect your 5V brick to the RAW pin, the onboard regulator on the pro mini will do.

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      @dbemowsk cheers mate, thats awesome...now i can blitz out some room based designs

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      • gohanG gohan

        @hiddenuser I'm missing how can you use a booster to get 3.3v from a lipo battery

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        @gohan @sundberg84
        This is my setup. my battery reading is a constant 2.75v, this is not true the multi meter says ~4v

        0_1513062564871_IMG_20171212_180306_1.jpg

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        • markjgabbM markjgabb

          @dbemowsk cheers mate, thats awesome...now i can blitz out some room based designs

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          sundberg84
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          @markjgabb @dbemowsk @gohan - I dont have much else to add, thanks for the input here. Using mains power I would also use HLK-PM01 and input the 5v to the pro mini. If you only have 3.3v pro mini you need to input this to RAW. I have made a breakout board for the HLK module if needed as well.

          https://www.openhardware.io/view/504/HLK-PM01-breakout-board

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          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
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            @gohan @sundberg84
            This is my setup. my battery reading is a constant 2.75v, this is not true the multi meter says ~4v

            0_1513062564871_IMG_20171212_180306_1.jpg

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            sundberg84
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            wrote on last edited by sundberg84
            #459

            Well it looks like your battery goes to some sort of regulator before the Easy board? If so my guess is that that board is providing 2.7 v regardless of battery voltage? Have a look at @gohan and his posts about solar power and different batteries. EasyPCB is designed for 2xAA and it will not work with other voltages out of the box. The voltage divider is also dimensioned for 3.3v max and will not work with higher voltages. Again @gohan has made some experiments with this. Check his posts out. If you re-dimension the voltage divider it will work with your higher voltage.

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            MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
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            • H hiddenuser

              @gohan @sundberg84
              This is my setup. my battery reading is a constant 2.75v, this is not true the multi meter says ~4v

              0_1513062564871_IMG_20171212_180306_1.jpg

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              gohan
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              @hiddenuser I don't know why you have a booster in place (unless it is a buck boost) and you need to change the voltage divider resistors if you want to read higher voltages (look at my solar project). In addition I'd put in place a LDO regulator if you want to use a lipo battery since a normal voltage regulator would require a higher Vin than a lipo battery can provide.

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              • gohanG gohan

                @hiddenuser I don't know why you have a booster in place (unless it is a buck boost) and you need to change the voltage divider resistors if you want to read higher voltages (look at my solar project). In addition I'd put in place a LDO regulator if you want to use a lipo battery since a normal voltage regulator would require a higher Vin than a lipo battery can provide.

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                @gohan said in 💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                Thanks @gohan for the feedback. Can I have the link to your solar project!

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                  @gohan said in 💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                  Thanks @gohan for the feedback. Can I have the link to your solar project!

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                  @hiddenuser look in the my project section (I'm on mobile now)

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                    Hi Sundberg,

                    I have read there could be some problem about radio connection if the temperature is ~0C or minus, I have met this issue so I will replace the existing 4.7µ capacitor with a bigger, e.g. ~20µ.
                    The battery measurement contains a 0.1 uF capacitor, What do you think I do have to replace it with an another bigger one ?
                    thanks

                    Barna

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                    • BarnaB Barna

                      Hi Sundberg,

                      I have read there could be some problem about radio connection if the temperature is ~0C or minus, I have met this issue so I will replace the existing 4.7µ capacitor with a bigger, e.g. ~20µ.
                      The battery measurement contains a 0.1 uF capacitor, What do you think I do have to replace it with an another bigger one ?
                      thanks

                      Barna

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                      sundberg84
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                      @barna - i don't know to be honest. As I wrote I had issues last winter but never with that 0.1 cap. I'm running second winter now (have been as low as -8C so far) without issues.

                      Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                      MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
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                      • BarnaB Barna

                        Hi Sundberg,

                        I have read there could be some problem about radio connection if the temperature is ~0C or minus, I have met this issue so I will replace the existing 4.7µ capacitor with a bigger, e.g. ~20µ.
                        The battery measurement contains a 0.1 uF capacitor, What do you think I do have to replace it with an another bigger one ?
                        thanks

                        Barna

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                        @barna check out this thread:
                        https://forum.mysensors.org/topic/186/new-library-to-read-arduino-vcc-supply-level-without-resistors-for-battery-powered-sensor-nodes-that-do-not-use-a-voltage-regulator-but-connect-directly-to-the-batteries
                        It is a way to monitor battery voltage without the need for the 0.1 uf capacitor and resistor setup on the board.

                        Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                        Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                        • BarnaB Barna

                          Hi Sundberg,

                          I have read there could be some problem about radio connection if the temperature is ~0C or minus, I have met this issue so I will replace the existing 4.7µ capacitor with a bigger, e.g. ~20µ.
                          The battery measurement contains a 0.1 uF capacitor, What do you think I do have to replace it with an another bigger one ?
                          thanks

                          Barna

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                          Nca78
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                          @barna said in 💬 Easy/Newbie PCB for MySensors:

                          Hi Sundberg,

                          I have read there could be some problem about radio connection if the temperature is ~0C or minus, I have met this issue so I will replace the existing 4.7µ capacitor with a bigger, e.g. ~20µ.
                          The battery measurement contains a 0.1 uF capacitor, What do you think I do have to replace it with an another bigger one ?
                          thanks

                          Barna

                          I don't think you need, it's made to stabilize the measured voltage, in the worst case the measured voltage will be a little bit unstable but your node will still run fine.

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                            on the subject of batteries i have to say im really impressed with the setup of these boards....
                            ive got a DHT and lux resistor measuring every 10 minutes, and i cant even remember how long ago i last changed the batteries...i think its about 3-4 months now....nothing special, just aldi batteries (australian cheap shopping chain)

                            last check they are still 65%

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                            • markjgabbM markjgabb

                              on the subject of batteries i have to say im really impressed with the setup of these boards....
                              ive got a DHT and lux resistor measuring every 10 minutes, and i cant even remember how long ago i last changed the batteries...i think its about 3-4 months now....nothing special, just aldi batteries (australian cheap shopping chain)

                              last check they are still 65%

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                              dbemowsk
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                              #468

                              @markjgabb Don't know if it's the same chain, but we have aldi stores here in the US.
                              0_1513550068757_11f86073-b6bf-40a7-be80-0b6115b268af-image.png

                              Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                              Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                              • dbemowskD dbemowsk

                                @markjgabb Don't know if it's the same chain, but we have aldi stores here in the US.
                                0_1513550068757_11f86073-b6bf-40a7-be80-0b6115b268af-image.png

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                                marvin78
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                                @dbemowsk It is. It's a german chain though ;)

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                                  @dbemowsk It is. It's a german chain though ;)

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                                  dbemowsk
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                                  @marvin78 Never knew that.

                                  Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                                  Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                                    Hi everybody. Finally got my newb pcb and I soldered everything needed for the pro mini 3.3v. But I ran into problems.

                                    I think it's the cheap chinese pdo mini but I want to ask you guys. Problem id that my node doesn't work. But when I debug my node I plug my pro mini in my computer's usb and then it works.

                                    What I could see is that when it is battery operated I can read a 3.3v value on the vcc pin of the pro mini. When I also connect via usb this value is about 3.5v.

                                    Could it be that my pro mini requires 3.5v.
                                    I did solder the capacitor for the radio and i'm using a 3.3v step up converter also.

                                    Thank you

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                                    • A akamap

                                      Hi everybody. Finally got my newb pcb and I soldered everything needed for the pro mini 3.3v. But I ran into problems.

                                      I think it's the cheap chinese pdo mini but I want to ask you guys. Problem id that my node doesn't work. But when I debug my node I plug my pro mini in my computer's usb and then it works.

                                      What I could see is that when it is battery operated I can read a 3.3v value on the vcc pin of the pro mini. When I also connect via usb this value is about 3.5v.

                                      Could it be that my pro mini requires 3.5v.
                                      I did solder the capacitor for the radio and i'm using a 3.3v step up converter also.

                                      Thank you

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                                      dbemowsk
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                                      @akamap an you post a picture of your board setup?

                                      Vera Plus running UI7 with MySensors, Sonoffs and 1-Wire devices
                                      Visit my website for more Bits, Bytes and Ramblings from me: http://dan.bemowski.info/

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                                      • A akamap

                                        Hi everybody. Finally got my newb pcb and I soldered everything needed for the pro mini 3.3v. But I ran into problems.

                                        I think it's the cheap chinese pdo mini but I want to ask you guys. Problem id that my node doesn't work. But when I debug my node I plug my pro mini in my computer's usb and then it works.

                                        What I could see is that when it is battery operated I can read a 3.3v value on the vcc pin of the pro mini. When I also connect via usb this value is about 3.5v.

                                        Could it be that my pro mini requires 3.5v.
                                        I did solder the capacitor for the radio and i'm using a 3.3v step up converter also.

                                        Thank you

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                                        Mod
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                                        @akamap without knowing how you are powering the node, it is difficult to say.

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                                        • gohanG gohan

                                          @akamap without knowing how you are powering the node, it is difficult to say.

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                                          #474

                                          @akamap - listen to the guys above, let us know with pictures :) Its the best.
                                          Did you by any chance miss to solder to jumpers?
                                          The best approach is to measure with a multimeter... put the black to GND and measure your way through the circuit from batteries, booster, jumper, pro mini and radio with the red put on each components VCC (or Vout on booster). Then you know where it goes wrong. Try to follow the schematics or the traces in the pcb to figure out how the current flows.

                                          Controller: Proxmox VM - Home Assistant
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - W5100 Ethernet, Gw Shield Nrf24l01+ 2,4Ghz
                                          MySensors GW: Arduino Uno - Gw Shield RFM69, 433mhz
                                          RFLink GW - Arduino Mega + RFLink Shield, 433mhz

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