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πŸ’¬ My simple RFM dongle for Serial GW

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  • TheoLT Offline
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    TheoL
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    I'm reading a fantastic book "The Maker Movement manifesto" (http://www.techshop.ws/images/0071821139 Maker Movement Manifesto Sample Chapter.pdf).

    I think you'll gonna love this book. Since we're all makers, maybe @GertSanders and @AWI can share a bit of their hardware building skills to the other Belgium and Dutch speakers, during the (summer) meetup? I'd really love to learn at least how to make a descent print lay-out. Hence I'll buy you all a cold beer in return. But only after the lectures ;-)

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    • carlierdC Offline
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      Very nice design !!

      One question, do you sleep ? I know the answer : no !!! ;)

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      • carlierdC carlierd

        Very nice design !!

        One question, do you sleep ? I know the answer : no !!! ;)

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        TheoL
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        @carlierd Sleep is overrated .

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        • scalzS Offline
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          #15

          ahaha!

          @Koresh thx :) I just would like to say, I don't consider myself as an electronician!

          Let me explain my way, and please tell me if I'm doing wrong. I want to learn :)

          The truth, is I started to learn microchip 10years ago because I needed it. So I'm very new at atmel. I understand about stability of circuit, the software stuff too.. So, what do you mean by work and stability??? I'm from software dev originally..

          But when I design I always try

          • to follow reference design : e.g. already made schematics (thx to opensource), datasheet, appnotes,
          • to understand what it does, add my things, hack it to have the better circuit I am able..
          • If I don't find my answer, I ask to my dad ;) Thx to him, he's electronician :) not RF expert..
          • when I have all my personal reference schematics, that's faster then, like a lib, just few hacks
          • about routing, I read articles too, how to make things good, about mixed, or escaping strategy etc.
          • in software, same thing. no hidden thing, always an answer.
          • finally, I think I should be more stable&reliable than something veroboard or wire arduino clone style. imho.

          But maybe you are mentioning the RF part which is not my best part ;) And I never practised it during my microchip sessions. So thx to iot, I have just started to learn some basics on RF...just good to know all the stuff about impedance matching, routing..and I iterate, iterate...lol

          So, warning!! this is for advanced! I share for fun :)

          About this board:

          • there are round smd pads (2.54mm pitch) which are : RST, GND, 3.3V, SWCLK, SWDIO. Program it by pogopin. I use a Segger J-Link OB for programming bootloader. USB for bootloading.
          • this board comes from another board I have made (in testing):
            http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/3551/my-32bits-atsam-node-project
          • I have made my variant board in arduino ide.

          My tests :

          • not fully tested but on a good way, sorry for my lora still on my desk, so I won't order this one if I'm not sure ;) But I have followed a working pinmapping for the lora part, so I should not have too much surprise. I will boost on this..
          • I only tested basic raw examples yet, that I mix and hack a bit just for POC. Then it's just a matter of time/software for integration in Mysensors! Plus I know that @tbowmo has already something working Mysensors+atsam. So with a little help and labour I should be able to pack all my things, I hope ;) Because for the moment I have my mysensors stuff in the jumble, and I don't want to add variables...

          I hope you're ok with this? Thx for your feedback and don't hesitate to tell me if I am wrong. I will add schematic and order it asap.

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          • KoreshK Offline
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            Koresh
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            #16

            Thanks for so detailed answer!!!

            So, what do you mean by work and stability???

            I just mean, that arduino zero is new platform and I didn't try it :) I've just interested how stable arduino code works on SAM D :)

            use a Segger J-Link OB for programming bootloader.

            OK! I am loking a cheap programmer for this mcu now :)

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            • scalzS Offline
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              #17

              @Koresh lol, I'm reassured! yep you can find cheap programmer, just two swd pins needed :) For the moment, I like this SAMD. but still can't wait esp32 ;)

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              • scalzS scalz

                @Koresh lol, I'm reassured! yep you can find cheap programmer, just two swd pins needed :) For the moment, I like this SAMD. but still can't wait esp32 ;)

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                @scalz said:

                @Koresh lol, I'm reassured! yep you can find cheap programmer, just two swd pins needed :) For the moment, I like this SAMD. but still can't wait esp32 ;)

                I'm ganna use ST-link :wink:

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                • TheoLT TheoL

                  I'm reading a fantastic book "The Maker Movement manifesto" (http://www.techshop.ws/images/0071821139 Maker Movement Manifesto Sample Chapter.pdf).

                  I think you'll gonna love this book. Since we're all makers, maybe @GertSanders and @AWI can share a bit of their hardware building skills to the other Belgium and Dutch speakers, during the (summer) meetup? I'd really love to learn at least how to make a descent print lay-out. Hence I'll buy you all a cold beer in return. But only after the lectures ;-)

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                  @TheoL
                  Huh ? Did someone say beer ?

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                  • DwaltD Offline
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                    #20

                    Nice to see ATSHA204A included. Could this be used as a gateway on a USB port? I am not familiar within SAMD, but how does this work without USB to serial chip?

                    Veralite UI5 :: IBoard Ethernet GW :: MyS 1.5

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                      #21

                      @Dwalt
                      yep atsha204A is a Mysensors classic, and a very nice feature :) I feel better secured now, thx Anticimex :laughing:
                      Yes it will be possible. There is already a better different GW from tbowmo. But I didn't see my option here, so I did it, and if sometimes I need something simple...or want to make a gift lol
                      SAMD includes internal USB drivers. So it can be used as a client USB, or like CDC serial comm (Virtual Serial Port). So no need of usb to serial; cool :)

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                        @Dwalt

                        It acts as a serial device on the USB port. I have a GW running with atsamd21J (bigger brother to the one @scalz are using). Been using both USB and ethernet to connect to the device.

                        The nice thing of an embedded USB controller, versus an external usb to serial device, is that you can make your device act as whatever usb device you want. For example make it a mass memory device, or a mouse / keyboard (HID). The sky is the limit :)

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                          #23

                          mini update..
                          So thx to @GertSanders and his ideas! Again I had to challenge myself yesterday :laughing:
                          I have updated description but briefly I have added:

                          • enlarged a little bit :disappointed:
                          • 2x 1.0mm pitch connector; one for I2C+1pin in case, and another one for JTAG programming bootloader (this was pogo pins but as averything is on top, I feel more secure with a true connector)
                          • eeprom
                          • routing and silkscreen
                          • now, usb connector is no mandatory, but I prefer with it..

                          still very few things to make looking better and I upload my files :)

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                            RFM69 has built-in authentication, is atsha chip really needed?

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                              #25

                              No, it got build in encryption. Not the same.

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                                #26

                                rfm69 has encryption which just hide your data. it's bonus and useful, but it does not provide key authentication, handled by athsa. imho, authentication is more important. I should receive my pcb soon now..this time, oshpark has been a bit longer than usual for my order :disappointed:

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                                  #27

                                  I have just assembled one board, and I'm testing it.
                                  so far I'm pretty happy. as expected, it's communicating with my other "zero" board ( the other white board, lipo etc..). yeah :)

                                  I've not tried lorawan yet, I'm just using basic raw routines for radio communication between the two nodes (a part from LMIC library). and I will try lowpowerlab rev too when more time as I'm busy on other cool gizmos :) and then, if not already done, will try to integrate into mysensors transport. ughh, I don't know when, quite lot of work!

                                  0_1463687336163_2016-05-19_21-35-07.jpg

                                  0_1463687345049_2016-05-19_21-35-08.jpg

                                  you can see I have not received i2c eeprom yet, and my jst connectors too! too bad, so I sodered temporary wire for jtag :) in case..I'm using RFM95W 868mhz, only with whip wire antenna for the moment, I have not tried the sma, nor rfm69hcw. that will be next step after having checked the range like this..

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                                    and playing a bit with 3d design..
                                    0_1463743312232_usb_dongle_custom_box.PNG

                                    yummy :)

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                                      few other pics, a bit better quality :blush:

                                      I've not used oven this time. just handsoldered. 0603. I've not tried yet, to use pcb only for plugging (without connector), I will do (it could be smaller) but I prefer/more confident with a connector.
                                      0_1463761550575_20160520_1646271.jpg
                                      0_1463761570655_20160520_1646012.jpg

                                      funny and tiny, not so much feature, there are other boards with more pins but I wanted this one simple, with minimal mysensors things, when I will receive my jst, I will have more pins like i2c. but for the moment, I like it :) connected directly in usb without wire, playing with arduino, neopixel, serial and radio etc..like a child :)

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                                        I'm playing with radiohead lib now. nothing special but that works well too :)
                                        0_1463904327814_2016-05-22_09-53-53.jpg
                                        I have looked a bit at LMIC (radio management+protocol), for curiosity. I like the the "rtos" style, it's well done, sure, but it's mostly another protocol... there are nice things though.

                                        I think, the best, imho, would be to extract radiohead rfm95 driver and make something like rfm69 lowpowerlab lib. Or trying to add radiohead to mysensors..In each case, that is some stuff&debug.

                                        Now, I would like to have my lora nodes in mysensors...so what's next?...no, no, don't say what i haven't said ... :laughing:

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                                          @scalz
                                          You could look have a look at the new minimal rf24-driver made by @tekka. It contains the bare minimal needed for communicating.

                                          If the radiohead/rfm95 driver can be transformed into something similar, then go ahead. :)

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